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  • 17-09-2010 1:41pm
    #1
    Trappers Son
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    Ive started laying big odds teams e.g Rangers v Man utd rather then backing short odds teams..

    It usually takes about 5 or 6 teams to get it up to evens or 6/4..

    3 €50 stakes ( tues & weds champions league and thurs in europa )

    All came up easily and there wasnt even a bead of sweat.. anyone else do this regularly?


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    #2
    Speak Now
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    What prices are you talking about?

    five 1/5 shots is almost 6/4 on the accum.

    No idea how long term you might fare out as 3 times wouldn't be enough for statistical analysis.

    Keep us updated with your results.


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    heavyballs
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    Trappers Son wrote: »
    Ive started laying big odds teams e.g Rangers v Man utd rather then backing short odds teams..

    It usually takes about 5 or 6 teams to get it up to evens or 6/4..

    3 €50 stakes ( tues & weds champions league and thurs in europa )

    All came up easily and there wasnt even a bead of sweat.. anyone else do this regularly?

    yes but you'll need to be more specific,why not post here b4 the match and see how it goes,my experience is it's not a reliable way of making profit,that's for sure


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    cards
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    I used to follow a tipster that used to lay 15 to 25/1 shots in soccer matches.And before anyone says why pay someone for such easy to pick selections...I'm not really a soccer fan and trawling through foreign leagues for lays was not my kind of fun.Also he had a proven track record with a lot of results listed.Anyway, things went well for a long time but he eventually laid 3 or 4 losers in quick succession and that was the end of that!
    I've been following another guy for the past few months.He is dealing more in the 1/5 price range so can accomodate a lot more losers than the first mentioned service....http://www.betting-pros.co.uk/results.htm
    His results are genuine but he does seem to put up more bets than normal when behind on a month which is always a cause for concern but you can't argue with his results so far.
    His trading service is doing well too but you need to be around to apply stop losses to a fairly large portion of trades and that is sometimes a bit of a grey area so your results may not exactly match his but overall seems a good guy with two honest services. For the record his selection for tomorrow night is Real Madrid at 1.19.


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    x PyRo
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    I'd imagine he has a shocking ROI.


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    opr
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    x PyRo wrote: »
    I'd imagine he has a shocking ROI.

    Why ?

    If the link cards provided is genuine he had an ROI of 123% last month and has not had a losing month in nearly a year with what looks like a hugely impressive average ROI. (Couldn't be bothered to work it out)

    Opr


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    x PyRo
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    Well last month for example he stakes 1550 points to win 115 points.

    7.4% Return on Investment.

    That's poor in my eye considering all he's doing is lumping on short priced selections that anyone could pick.


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    opr
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    x PyRo wrote: »
    Well last month for example he stakes 1550 points to win 115 points.

    7.4% Return on Investment.

    That's poor in my eye considering all he's doing is lumping on short priced selections that anyone could pick.

    Yeah your right sorry. I would be very happy with an ROI of 7.4% but 140 bets as a sample size on 1/5 shots isn't near enough to show a proven record plus the fact he deviates from bet sizes and seems to increase them in both size and number of bets when things are going badly doesn't bode well. Also just looking at last month the fact he picks Man United playing Rangers as one of his short priced picks makes me even more sceptical.

    Opr


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    Trappers Son
    Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Trappers Son


    I lay 5 or 6 9/1's in a accy on Betfair in the Multiples section...

    Layed Karlsruhe, whoever Madrid are playing, brentford, Notts County, and MK Dons...

    30 on.. Even Money...

    Ive gotten the last 4 of these up...


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    digme
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    Very interesting :)


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    Trappers Son
    Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Trappers Son


    Trappers Son wrote: »
    I lay 5 or 6 9/1's in a accy on Betfair in the Multiples section...

    Layed Karlsruhe, whoever Madrid are playing, brentford, Notts County, and MK Dons...

    30 on.. Even Money...

    Ive gotten the last 4 of these up...

    Ok, that was too close for comfort, with Wolves nearly losing and Brentford missing a peno..

    Lay teams against pool, united, chelsea, barca, and 1860 Munica tomorrow.. think this one only pays bout 4/7... might look around a bit more..


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    The Walsho
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    Trappers Son wrote: »
    Ok, that was too close for comfort, with Wolves nearly losing and Brentford missing a peno..

    Lay teams against pool, united, chelsea, barca, and 1860 Munica tomorrow.. think this one only pays bout 4/7... might look around a bit more..

    You sure about that? It's Liverpool!


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    Trappers Son
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    Ah, hell put out a similar team to the one that destrroued bucharesti...

    They'll more than likely win well, but the WILL NOT LOSE


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    Pj!
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    x PyRo wrote: »
    Well last month for example he stakes 1550 points to win 115 points.

    7.4% Return on Investment.

    That's poor in my eye considering all he's doing is lumping on short priced selections that anyone could pick.

    7.4% ROI would put you ahead of almost everybody in the game and with consistency you wouldn't have to work again.

    It doesn't matter about the price range.


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    x PyRo
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    It's still poor.


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    Trappers Son
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    2 bets on this evening...

    Laying Bielfield and Union Berlin.. 20 on to win 15...

    Than laying Kaiserslautern, Erzgebiegr, Newcastle, Scunny, Northampton, Gijon..

    30 on to win 25...

    Would be 6 in a row if they come up..fingers crossed!


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    Pj!
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    Pj! wrote: »
    7.4% ROI would put you ahead of almost everybody in the game and with consistency you wouldn't have to work again.
    x PyRo wrote: »
    It's still poor.

    Are you joking?

    7.4% is a return most professional gamblers would love to achieve.


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    x PyRo
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    Pj! wrote: »
    Are you joking?

    7.4% is a return most professional gamblers would love to achieve.

    Nope, I'm serious.

    A 7.4% ROI for a month betting on short priced football teams is poor in my eyes.

    Don't know how they can charge £50 for those selections either.

    Different folks, different strokes! That ROI on such short priced selections doesn't float my boat though.


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    L'prof
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    x PyRo wrote: »
    Nope, I'm serious.

    A 7.4% ROI for a month betting on short priced football teams is poor in my eyes.

    Don't know how they can charge £50 for those selections either.

    Different folks, different strokes! That ROI on such short priced selections doesn't float my boat though.

    The short prices are the cause of the low ROI though, maybe I'm taking up what you're saying here wrong though! Regardless of the ROI, it's a great profit to be showing, although with his high stakes, a bad run could wipe him out!


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    x PyRo
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    L'prof wrote: »
    The short prices are the cause of the low ROI though, maybe I'm taking up what you're saying here wrong though! Regardless of the ROI, it's a great profit to be showing, although with his high stakes, a bad run could wipe him out!

    Fair point! Staking a lot of money at short prices doesn't do it for me. In the past 4 or 5 months I've a 40% ROI from betting on the horses. Although at a lot higher odds and going long times without a winner.


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    L'prof
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    x PyRo wrote: »
    Fair point! Staking a lot of money at short prices doesn't do it for me. In the past 4 or 5 months I've a 40% ROI from betting on the horses. Although at a lot higher odds and going long times without a winner.

    Incomparable in terms of ROI really when you consider the average price of one of your bets and the average price of his.

    Anyways, best of luck to the op. I've tried multiple get rich quick schemes (just check my logs, failures the lot) and one of them even got my heart racing. What I've learned is that without proper thought and analysis, things can go pear-shaped quite quickly.


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    Pj!
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    x PyRo wrote: »
    Nope, I'm serious.

    A 7.4% ROI for a month betting on short priced football teams is poor in my eyes.
    L'prof wrote: »
    The short prices are the cause of the low ROI though, maybe I'm taking up what you're saying here wrong though! Regardless of the ROI, it's a great profit to be showing, although with his high stakes, a bad run could wipe him out!
    x PyRo wrote: »
    Fair point! Staking a lot of money at short prices doesn't do it for me. In the past 4 or 5 months I've a 40% ROI from betting on the horses. Although at a lot higher odds and going long times without a winner.

    A return on football is better than a return on horse racing. The main problem (when the bets start to get big) is getting money down. This is much easier with football. A lot more outlets and little chance that you know more than them.

    So the 7.4% figure is better than I thought. The richest of professional football gamblers are probably making less.

    I'm like yourself though PyRo and specialise on the horses. My count is over 50% ROI for the last year and I'd swap it for a much lower football ROI.

    As you say it is easier to get a higher ROI on longer priced horses. But much easier to get money down on shorties.


    It's all relevant really. But any profit is good!


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    Speak Now
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    Trappers Son wrote: »
    2 bets on this evening...

    Laying Bielfield and Union Berlin.. 20 on to win 15...

    Than laying Kaiserslautern, Erzgebiegr, Newcastle, Scunny, Northampton, Gijon..

    30 on to win 25...

    Would be 6 in a row if they come up..fingers crossed!

    So Newcastle done you right?

    How does it work out at 30 to win 25?


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    L'prof
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    Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »
    So Newcastle done you right?

    How does it work out at 30 to win 25?

    €30 on at 5/6.


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    mailburner
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    The Walsho wrote: »
    You sure about that? It's Liverpool!

    i've not done much laying yet this season but i intend to lay liverpool
    away to teams with decent home form like sunder, birm etc or just
    anyteam away from home and so far i've only layed them
    away to birmingham at 2.12.
    would be less inclined to lay them at big odds away to the likes
    of chelsea, utd and the likes in the offchance they have a good day.


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    Speak Now
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    L'prof wrote: »
    €30 on at 5/6.

    No i mean how does laying 6 big priced teams in an accum work out at 5/6:confused:


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    L'prof
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    Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »
    No i mean how does laying 6 big priced teams in an accum work out at 5/6:confused:

    This will explain it better than I can with this hangover!

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