Fifa 11 v Pro Evo

kakee

Lads I downloaded both demos last night and overall I think PES was the better of the two. I feel EA sports reckoned they had no challange from Konami and just "dressed up" their game a little. Konami seem to have been busy this year and I will be buying PES for sure. I know they are only demos but well done konami.

L'prof

kakee wrote: »

Lads I downloaded both demos last night and overall I think PES was the better of the two. I feel EA sports reckoned they had no challange from Konami and just "dressed up" their game a little. Konami seem to have been busy this year and I will be buying PES for sure. I know they are only demos but well done konami.

This is the only thing worth noting to be honest!

Paparazzo

kakee wrote: »

Lads I downloaded both demos last night and overall I think PES was the better of the two. I feel EA sports reckoned they had no challange from Konami and just "dressed up" their game a little. Konami seem to have been busy this year and I will be buying PES for sure. I know they are only demos but well done konami.

I was going to download fifa later, but want to play a few more games of pro evo first. What's the latest fifa gimmick? Usually something to do with passing.

mufcboy1999

lol dont make me laugh, pes is awful again, the shooting is terrible but the graphics are class i must imithe.

fifa is the better of the 2 again, not much change from last year but little is needed to beat pes these days but i was expecting more from fifa to be honest

Axwell

These threads appear every year and just turn into fanboy rants on which is better without any objective reasoning. If it turns into a game bashing thread then it will be locked, you have been warned.

opengoal

I too have played both and agree with OP's comments, will probably buy both this time around.

Vic Vinegar

Pro Evo is actually ok this year.

Fifa is way better though still.

Roar

i got completely and utterly fed up with Pro Evo's annoying glitches and problems this year, so much so I picked up a second hand copy of FIFA after being a die hard pro evo man since the SNES days of ISS.

Will download both demos, and my purchase this year will be decided on who has the better demo

Kells...

Im just gonna buy both im rich HAHA

koHd

Both for me too.

Pro Evo might not be as good as FIFA overall. But for some reason I like to switch to PES for multiplayer some times to get a different strategic game when FIFA gets stale.

Batesy

There's no doubt that PES has taken a step in the right direction this year but it's still a couple of steps behind FIFA and a couple more to REGAIN it's place as the best football game around.

PES6 was the last really good PES game.

Royale with Cheese

Neither. Fifa 11 feels very similar to last year albeit a little slower. Have bought every FIFA since 08 but can't be arsed this year, certainly not at full price anyway. Dunno why the new PES is getting any praise. Poor stuff again, although definitely an improvement of the rubbish they've put out in the past couple of years.

Paparazzo

It would be nice to get a reason why one game is bad/good other than the usual PES or FIFA suks/rulez.
I'd love to see PES online, that has been a real let down in past games and needs to be improved. They seem to drop features each year, it's so bad now it's almost funny. You can't even replay a game, so when you get a good connection and good game with someone you can't replay. Back to searching for someone.

Sabre0001

Played both demos but FIFA moreso...

Couple of gripes with Pro Evo that hopefully people can resolve - is there a button to tell people to go on a run? Far too often, my players stand there sheepishly looking at me rather than bolting for (or creating) any sort of gap?

Secondly, I played the demo with a lower rated team and got a bit bored after 60mins. Wanted to give the game the benefit of the doubt so wanted to pick Barca / equivilent. However, instead of getting to the menu, I was treated to a massive promotional video which no amount of button bashing would skip. Any way to get past // is it like this even if you choose to replay?


FIFA is similar to last year but pace is toned down. I think there will be more emphasis on passing and maybe even skill moves (seems as the CPU is trying a few!). Passing is changed a little and easier to misplace passes so that should get rid of the ping-pong that people were talking about. Probably still possible but will take practice.

Handballs are a little sketchy (and off by default so look out for that). Can be a few in a match. Same with hitting woodwork it seems (and the sound there is a bit funny!). Scored some nice goals. Goalkeepers don't seem as crazy (give it time!).

New penalty system (I didn't play World Cup '10) is interesting. Going to take more practice but seems like a better system. New celebrations with team mates interacting could cut down on people taking the piss and running in circles for minutes (I hope!).

Preferring FIFA at the moment but would like to give PES another go...

Exclamation Marc

I've found that FIFA 11 is greatly improved over FIFA 10. I view the World Cup edition of FIFA as a lot closer to FIFA 11 than 10, the games are a lot more interesting and enjoyable.

The AI I've found in FIFA is roundly better than Pro Evo. Players making runs, opposition players being more creative in trying to get around/behind you, whereas in Pro Evo it seems that a lot of the AI players just stand around waiting for the ball and the opposition attacks are very similar.

The new(ish) penalty system in FIFA is brilliant, makes penalties more competitive and interesting. This year my mates and I play penalties whereas in FIFA 10 we just ended as a draw as the system was dull. The creation centre in FIFA is a great start to EA Sports finally allowing a lot more creativity, the likes of which excelled for Konami in previous iterations of Pro Evo.

Id like to give Pro Evo another chance as I really like the graphics as well as the presentation, but as for gameplay FIFA is just a lot more enjoyable and realistic, and if I had to make the call there's no way I could pick up Pro Evo over FIFA.

Paparazzo

I played a good few games of each.
I'm definitely putting PES ahead on gameplay. Maybe because I'm used to it? Passing is far better, the ball goes where you want. In FIFA it keeps going to the wrong player. Shooting in PES seems way harder, and you really have to build your moves. Not a problem because the passing is so good.
One thing annoying about both games is the replay. PES have terrible angles when you score, you can't get a good view behind the ball. On FIFA it seems you have to watch your player complete his celebration. Considering the games will be high scoring, this would get really annoying.

Problem about pro evo will be master league online. Online play always uses default teams. Does this mean you'll be playing against weird team names and players you never heard of online?

EIREHotspur

FIFA 11 is pretty much the same as FIFA 10.....has remained fairly stagnated....Pro Evo has changed a good bit from the last one.

FIFA should be just renamed FIFA X because thats all you seem to do is press X when someone has the ball and makes for a very boring experience after a while on Multiplayer. Ruins it for me.
The Beach Ball shooting are still there too.
Graphics and PResentationwife FIFA is brilliant.

With Pro Evo at least you feel in control of the ball.

PES for me this year.

Exclamation Marc

EIREHotspur wrote: »

FIFA 11 is pretty much the same as FIFA 10.....has remained fairly stagnated....Pro Evo has changed a good bit from the last one.

FIFA should be just renamed FIFA X because thats all you seem to do is press X when someone has the ball and makes for a very boring experience after a while on Multiplayer. Ruins it for me.
The Beach Ball shooting are still there too.
Graphics and PResentationwife FIFA is brilliant.

With Pro Evo at least you feel in control of the ball.

PES for me this year.

Are you playing on the two-buttoned system??

clived2

pro evo demo is brillant,

the passing is unreal, this is the start of a new begining

Anyone who has a problem with the 5 minute promo after your demo game,
switch on then off, simples
Fifa demo gives you 2 mins:(, while pro evo ten:)

joe123

Paparazzo wrote: »

I played a good few games of each.
I'm definitely putting PES ahead on gameplay. Maybe because I'm used to it? Passing is far better, the ball goes where you want. In FIFA it keeps going to the wrong player. Shooting in PES seems way harder, and you really have to build your moves. Not a problem because the passing is so good.
One thing annoying about both games is the replay. PES have terrible angles when you score, you can't get a good view behind the ball. On FIFA it seems you have to watch your player complete his celebration. Considering the games will be high scoring, this would get really annoying.

Problem about pro evo will be master league online. Online play always uses default teams. Does this mean you'll be playing against weird team names and players you never heard of online?

It must of been very easy last year so. I seem to score anytime I get within 25 yards. Some shots where it should be a belter just floats and still seems to go in.

If they fixed the terrible keeping and made the shooting a bit more realistic it would seriously challenge fifa.

Dr.Winston O'Boogie

Downloaded both demos, and leaning towards Pro Evo at the moment. Always been a fan, ever since the first games, something about FIFA just seems too polished and more focused on presentation. Admittedly PES has lost its way in the last while, and this has led me to buy a few FIFA's, however the demo seems to be a big improvement. PES just can't be beaten when on form, no matter how good you get your always likely to lose to any team on a bad day, I just don't get that unpredictability with FIFA.

I would like a couple of things to be ironed out before the proper released of PES though:

- The goalkeepers. The last few years they have been shocking, hoping on a massive improvement this time around (frankly can't believe they were getting it so wrong the last few years, surely they noticed?!). The demo at the moment hasn't given many clues, I have had one dodgy keeper moment but sure they happen to the best!

- Player movement, specifically when turning. It takes an age to turn sometimes, there is no quickness when it comes to receiving the ball facing your goal, and turning to make a run at the opposition. This has been a big problem over the years, and seems to be there in the demo again, hoping it will be sorted though

FIFA 11 looks lovely, and the gameplay is good, but I think the difference is every true PES fan knows that when they finally get it right, and hopefully its this year, it will be a far more rewarding experience than FIFA.

Utopia Parkway

Will have to wait for the finished game before making a decision but based on the two demos PES certainly has done the most improving. However given it was coming from such a low base that's not surprising. FIFA 10 was already a very good football game while 2010 FIFA World Cup was the best football game on the new generation of consoles IMO. It's much easier to improve on mediocrity rather than something that was already really good.

EIREHotspur

FireballPitcher wrote: »

Are you playing on the two-buttoned system??

I am yeah....how did you guess?

FutureGuy

Got to finally play the Fifa 11 demo. It seems a little harder to score using through-balls. You can see the personality+ when you play vs Ronaldo, but I couldn't care less about whether an AI does a few fancy tricks tbh. In-game graphics and presentation is very similar to 2010 (and to 2009). Controlling the gk is very hit and miss too.

I was hoping to see an improvement over 10 but to be honest, I wasn't that impressed. Very very meh so far. Added to the fact that, boardsies aside, many FIFA players are complete and utter w@nkers online, and make random ranked matches unenjoyable alot of the time. Thats largely EA's fault because they continue to add a Quit option in the in-game menu options :rolleyes:

I'm hoping PES will provide something different because I cannot see myself getting Fifa 11. If not, I won't buy either.

chavezychavez

Is there any reviews or comments on how the online with PES is this year (bar the beta).

Have they tested it accross servers with heavy loads?

I'll be holding off on any purchase of either game until the online questions have been answered. Been ripped off by Konami every year after PES 6 in relation to online, so I'm not falling into that trap this year.

My 2 cents, I'm finding the PES demo more fun to play than the FIFA one, as all my old PES tactics are useless now and I need to reinvent new methods of setting up chances (the time may come though when I smash the controller after a simple pass goes completely astray, which happens a lot at the moment:rolleyes:).

In saying that, FIFA has never let down with regards to online for me, so if all else fails, I'll head towards EA for my online footie fix.

FutureGuy

After playing the FIFA 11 demo and not finding it all that great, I was looking forward to giving the PES demo a go.

Disappointing. Some rediculous AI. Based on this FIFA 11 looks the better game.

Nephew

What was last years PES like on xbox live? I've had every 360 version of the game prior to that and online play was brutally unreliable so I gave up on the series.

niallith

think ill be buying pes this year after abandoning it after pes 6 . but i think main reason why is i overplayed fifa 10 and got bored of it and pes is improved alot so will be a breath of fresh air

ThirdMan

A mixed bag as usual from both developers.

I think FIFA is by far the superior game, even so it's still got some problems. The graphics aren't up to scratch, the player animation is ageing badly, and not being able to dribble in a soccer game is unforgivable.

As for Pro Evo, the presentation is, as usual, absolutely desperate. The crowd chants and menu's being the editor's pick. Obviously the game play is what it's all about, but if they can't spot the decade old elephant in the room, I'd have little confidence in them improving anything else.

Despite this, I will buy both of them, because as far as suckers go, I'm of a particular vintage.

EIREHotspur

I am having reservations about buying PES now that I hear the fact that the menus which I skip through quickly have been botched.

Someone somewhere else kept saying how the nets were not of a particular type either.....thats another question mark for me too.

Looks like the only thing PES have got right is the gameplay.

Worrying times for gamers....I'm tellin you!

Le King

I'm a PES Fanboy. I loved the game, but I'm getting really fed up with Konami. Bought both last year, this year I'll only be buying one. Most likely FIFA again.

Can't tell the difference between this years Fifa and last years. Downloaded PES and while not perfect, is seriously leaps ahead of fifa in terms of gameplay.

Having said that...i still can't decide which one i'll be getting. It will only be one so I must decide !

ThirdMan

EIREHotspur wrote: »

I am having reservations about buying PES now that I hear the fact that the menus which I skip through quickly have been botched.

Someone somewhere else kept saying how the nets were not of a particular type either.....thats another question mark for me too.

Looks like the only thing PES have got right is the gameplay.

Worrying times for gamers....I'm tellin you!

Sarcasm on a Sunday morning... Boards.ie never lets me down.

Considering this thread is titled FIFA 11 v Pro Evo, I think it's more than relevant to comment on a games presentation, considering how FIFA absolutely nails it. Year in, year out.

Pro Evo, whilst being somewhat better this year, still looks (menus) and sounds like an amateur production. The crowd chants are almost a parody of themselves, while the hi-octane menu system and music is like something out of Street Fighter. It looks like it was designed and executed with primary school children in mind. It's really poor. I think it says something of Konami that they continue to fail at the most basic level.

The gameplay is much improved over last year, and I find it particularly fresh after mainly playing FIFA in recent months. But I honestly don't see how you could say they got it right.

My major gripe with Pro Evo is the lack of a proper defensive game. Have you tried pressing with a second defender, whilst tracking the runner? Have you seen how artificial the back line is, and how they move in unison? Once again, really poor.

The AI is also not good enough. When I'm breaking up the right wing with Alves, I don't want Messi running toward me, ending up behind me, leaving me unsupported at the corner flag. Ridiculous, and once again, an area that FIFA has absolutely nailed.

If or when they get it right, it will be the superior game. For now though, it's another poor performance from Konami.

I will say one thing...the menus and words that Kanomi use are a joke. It's absolutely so confusing for a new player. Also, not a gripe as such, but the skills moves seem so difficult to perform in PES and are quite slow also.

EIREHotspur

ThirdMan wrote: »

Sarcasm on a Sunday morning... Boards.ie never lets me down.

Considering this thread is titled FIFA 11 v Pro Evo, I think it's more than relevant to comment on a games presentation, considering how FIFA absolutely nails it. Year in, year out.

Pro Evo, whilst being somewhat better this year, still looks (menus) and sounds like an amateur production. The crowd chants are almost a parody of themselves, while the hi-octane menu system and music is like something out of Street Fighter. It looks like it was designed and executed with primary school children in mind. It's really poor. I think it says something of Konami that they continue to fail at the most basic level.

The gameplay is much improved over last year, and I find it particularly fresh after mainly playing FIFA in recent months. But I honestly don't see how you could say they got it right.

My major gripe with Pro Evo is the lack of a proper defensive game. Have you tried pressing with a second defender, whilst tracking the runner? Have you seen how artificial the back line is, and how they move in unison? Once again, really poor.

The AI is also not good enough. When I'm breaking up the right wing with Alves, I don't want Messi running toward me, ending up behind me, leaving me unsupported at the corner flag. Ridiculous, and once again, an area that FIFA has absolutely nailed.

If or when they get it right, it will be the superior game. For now though, it's another poor performance from Konami.

Sarcasm taken in good spirit, boards.ie has surprised me.

FIFA does nail it in presentation and a lot of aspects of the game.
I just cannot get to like the floaty ball nature of the game however.
I bought Road To The World Cup back in 97 and the next years FIFA and stopped getting it for ten years until FIFA 10 and lo and behold the floaty beach ball feeling is still there.
Also the press X addicts and you just have to can't beat them, join them nature of gameplay.
One touch pinging the ball around and every game feels pretty much the same after a while.
Their new demo is the same as last years game.

Last years PES went off the rails (or on rails with the automatic nature of movement by players) in quiet a number of aspects.
I think this years PES has a lot more of the feeling of PES 6 and they are finally getting to grips with what went wrong the last 3 years.
I don't care about menus.

They need to build on this years game and go from there.

Looking forward to playing as Tottenham in this new one.

ThirdMan

EIREHotspur wrote: »

Sarcasm taken in good spirit, boards.ie has surprised me.

FIFA does nail it in presentation and a lot of aspects of the game.
I just cannot get to like the floaty ball nature of the game however.
I bought Road To The World Cup back in 97 and the next years FIFA and stopped getting it for ten years until FIFA 10 and lo and behold the floaty beach ball feeling is still there.
Also the press X addicts and you just have to can't beat them, join them nature of gameplay.
One touch pinging the ball around and every game feels pretty much the same after a while.
Their new demo is the same as last years game.

Last years PES went off the rails (or on rails with the automatic nature of movement by players) in quiet a number of aspects.
I think this years PES has a lot more of the feeling of PES 6 and they are finally getting to grips with what went wrong the last 3 years.
I don't care about menus.

They need to build on this years game and go from there.

Looking forward to playing as Tottenham in this new one.

I intend on buying both, but I'll probably be buying Pro Evo first. I suppose that means it's on the mend. Like I said, if they get it right, they'll put FIFA to the sword. I hope it's sooner rather than later.

I bought Road To The World Cup as well, and then the actual World Cup cash-in game a few months later. They were the last football games I bought for 10 years, due to my falling out of love with all things joystick.

I bought Pro Evo 2008, and borrowed FIFA 08, found neither satisfying, then chanced upon a second-hand copy of Pro Evo 2006 for €10. It was a bit of a surprise to find that it outplayed both 'next-gen' titles.

Here's to the future, and the mythical perfect game.

RonFan

IMO Both games had gone off the rails. Pes 6 and Fifa 08 both had the basics done so well, but they messed it up by trying to advance the gameplay too fast. I think (based on the demo) this years fifa has gone back to the feeling fifa 08 had, with the improvements they felt necessary done well. Still not perfect but will probably be the best yet. Pro Evo seems to be getting back on the right track also, but is technically inferior to FIFA by years.

ThirdMan

Pro Evo received 89% in PSM3's review, looking good.

ThirdMan

Guardian's preview.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2010/sep/27/games

GEasy

I downloaded both demos and while I cannot be conclusive. I still prefer fifa. The whole atmosphere of the game is what attracts me. Scoring in pro evo seemed a little too much anti-climatic for me.
My 2c!

Cloud89

I was a massive Pro Evo head ever since the Iss Series. If a freind even put Fiffa in I refused to play it. But I think Konami have really struggled to bring there game from the PS2 to the PS3 OR 360. But i believe eventually Pro Evo will be bback but when who knows. It will be Fiffa this year.

AthAnRi

FIFA is definately more fluid and the passing is a lot easier but a little too easy. All you have to do i press x and it will usually go to a player on your team. Same with tackling too easy on FIFA all you have to do is hold down x and your defender will win 95% of the challenges. If you do that an pro-evo 80% of the time you will give away a free, which is better.

Graphics, Close call, player animations are better on Pro Evo but the overall graphics has to go to FIFA. Both are excellent though.

Goals, The goals you score on pro-evo are way better. In Fifa its always the same goal you score. In pro-evo there is a larger selection of goals. plus its easier to score from Corners and crosses. Its next to impossible on FIFA but that is probably just me.

If you just want to pick up the controller and play a game every now and again then FIFA is your game cause its easier and the controls, passing and shooting is easier. If its a game your willing to put some time and effort in to then pro-evo is your game. Its a lot harder to get your passing and through balls right but when you do the sense of achievemnet is great.

Overall I'd say pro-evo is the better but harder game. FIFA is still class but there isn't enough of an improvement over last year to justify forking out another 50euro.

Online is a big factor. If pro get it right this year I'll definately purchase it. If not I'll prob go with FIFA.

Both great games though. Pro-Evo big improvement on last few years though which is good.

BeanFlicker

having played and bought pro evo soccer up until pro evo 2009 i was never impressed with fifa. i lost a bet and ended up having to buy a copy of fifa 2010 while my friend got pro evo 2010, how pissed off was he. we all know what a disappointing game that turned out to be.

after playing both demos, pro evo has greatly improved but in my opinion still lacks behind fifa. fifa is alot like last years but for sheer atmosphere and polished gaming i know i'll be getting fifa again this year,

PerrinV2

AthAnRi wrote: »

FIFA is definately more fluid and the passing is a lot easier but a little too easy. All you have to do i press x and it will usually go to a player on your team. Same with tackling too easy on FIFA all you have to do is hold down x and your defender will win 95% of the challenges. If you do that an pro-evo 80% of the time you will give away a free, which is better.

Graphics, Close call, player animations are better on Pro Evo but the overall graphics has to go to FIFA. Both are excellent though.

Goals, The goals you score on pro-evo are way better. In Fifa its always the same goal you score. In pro-evo there is a larger selection of goals. plus its easier to score from Corners and crosses. Its next to impossible on FIFA but that is probably just me.

If you just want to pick up the controller and play a game every now and again then FIFA is your game cause its easier and the controls, passing and shooting is easier. If its a game your willing to put some time and effort in to then pro-evo is your game. Its a lot harder to get your passing and through balls right but when you do the sense of achievemnet is great.

Overall I'd say pro-evo is the better but harder game. FIFA is still class but there isn't enough of an improvement over last year to justify forking out another 50euro.

Online is a big factor. If pro get it right this year I'll definately purchase it. If not I'll prob go with FIFA.

Both great games though. Pro-Evo big improvement on last few years though which is good.

Ya thats been the thing with me too that pro evo I found was always harder.Just with playing against friends I notice the difference in passing especially,like they cud hit a blind pass in fifa and it would usually go to one of there players,whereas in pro you always had to be that bit more precise.
Just seemed to me the more skilled players liked pro evo(o o o controversial)

PerrinV2

Finally got round to playing both demos.
I really wanted to like fifa this year because everyone seems to be playing it but I just can't.Everything seems so crowded when passing through midfield and why is the map still so bad,when I break up an attack an counter,the first thing I do is check the map to see where my players are and base my attack around that.Well i think its poor in comparsion to pro evo.
I think fifa betters pro in everything bar the gameplay which is way I'll probably get pro this year.

Paparazzo

PerrinV2 wrote: »

Ya thats been the thing with me too that pro evo I found was always harder.Just with playing against friends I notice the difference in passing especially,like they cud hit a blind pass in fifa and it would usually go to one of there players,whereas in pro you always had to be that bit more precise.
Just seemed to me the more skilled players liked pro evo(o o o controversial)

In fairness, even my granny knows proper gamers like pro evo and fifa is for 13 year old kids that copy david beckhams haircut.

curry-muff

Took a gamble on switching back to pro evo this year and looking like it paid off, absolutely loving it, passing system has come on leaps and bounds, can play some lovely through balls with the new system, shooting is going to take a while getting used to but for the meanwhile tapping the x button seems to work for me

Utopia Parkway

PerrinV2 wrote: »

Ya thats been the thing with me too that pro evo I found was always harder.Just with playing against friends I notice the difference in passing especially,like they cud hit a blind pass in fifa and it would usually go to one of there players,whereas in pro you always had to be that bit more precise.
Just seemed to me the more skilled players liked pro evo(o o o controversial)

Maybe back in the day (when I was a mad Pro Evo head myself for years) but FIFA has been by far the more realistic (and more difficult) football sim in recent years while PES has wandered down the arcade kickabout route. To be honest nothing much has changed this year. PES 2011 is a bit better alright compared to the last few years but it still lags a good distance behind FIFA. There are things that annoy me about FIFA this year like dribbling being insanely difficult against defenders that can constantly barge 90% of attackers off the ball at will but PES still doesn't compare to it's heyday of Pro Evo 6. There are too many things wrong with it to warrant any more than maybe a 7 out of 10.

niallk

Can someone tell me if Konami have sorted the online side yet? I've bought PES2-PES2010 but got FIFA10 last year and haven't played pro evo since. It's all about online for me and PES of the past has been disgracefully unplayable IMO.

TanG411

niallk wrote: »

Can someone tell me if Konami have sorted the online side yet? I've bought PES2-PES2010 but got FIFA10 last year and haven't played pro evo since. It's all about online for me and PES of the past has been disgracefully unplayable IMO.

I had three games online on Pro Evo so far. All of the three games ran smoothly, although for a goal kick/corner kick, the kicker seemed to take only one step to reach the ball. But this didn't affect the overall play of the game. So it is a definite improvment over last year.