Using a pistol and rifle

Blair

Just wondering how many use a pistol and do ya think it’s a necessary complement to your rifle.

oeb

Blair wrote: »

Just wondering how many use a pistol and do ya think it’s a necessary complement to your rifle.

I carry a sidearm, but then again I repeatedly abandon my AEG to quickly claim objectives, or to keep very low to the ground.

Lordhogo

I myself dont use my pistol very often while skirmishing but whenever I do use it my glock 17 comes in very handy.

evilrobotshane

Dead handy when your main gun gets hit and is taken out of the game, if you're playing by those rules.

CaptainCook

evilrobotshane wrote: »

Dead handy when your main gun gets hit and is taken out of the game, if you're playing by those rules.

GBB Pistols as in real life are just fashion items compared to a rifle, utterly useless but look good and are great craic, i own about 8 of them and even the really long barrelled ones are still not as accurate as an AEG. Word of advice if your getting one get a lanyard and a decent holster(or at least a lanyard and stick it into your vest) you dont wanna lose it. You might be better of with a nice AEP like the m93r, or a small smg like a scorpion or mp7, these are actually quite small and can be carried as a secondary and will be far more usefull if you run out of ammo for your primary.
I owned (scorpion JG and WELL) or own(JIEKE m93r and TM mp7) all 3 of aforementioned aep and they can almost hold their own with a AEG. They make far better secondarys, plus mags for them are not gonna cost you an arm and a leg.

Lemming

CaptainCook wrote: »

GBB Pistols as in real life are just fashion items compared to a rifle, utterly useless but look good and are great craic,

You haven't a scoobies.


OP, for your average skirmish you might not end up drawing a sidearm all day. Or you might, depending on what's going on around you and what rules you're playing by.

If you go play at a Fibua site, the odds increase greatly - even if just a skirmish day.

If you go to a themed event that incorporates milsim rules to a reasonable degree of attention, you will find yourself holding that pistol at some point, either because you're out of ammo, you need to ditch your main arm to run and grab something/someone, you need to carry something, it's night time and you'r ein a dark building, etc.

How you play, where you play, and what you play with, will greatly determine how often you defer to your sidearm (e.g. snipers, & support gunners, and vehicle occupants are far more likely to have to draw a side arm up close than infantry sorts).

Puding

If your going to compare pistols to full size aegs of course the aeg has greater performance, but there job is not to stand up to pistol in a straight fight but they do offer advantages and can come in extremely useful if used correctly.

all depends really on the type and style of games you play at

Firekitten

CaptainCook wrote: »

GBB Pistols as in real life are just fashion items compared to a rifle, utterly useless but look good and are great craic,

Lol


How little you know.


In real life, they save lives, are useful, and very very very handy.


In airsoft, they can save you if your gun goes down, help in tight spots, and are actually quite accurate, and functional. I HAVE to carry a pistol when using a sniper rifle due to uk common airsoft 'law' pertaining to high fps sniper rifles.... useless? not at all.

Useful with an aeg? yup, still useful. if the gun is hit, or if it breaks, ive got something to go to, if my mag runs dry, i drop the mainarm and pull the sidearm. I can go from mag down to firing again in a handfull of seconds.

Useless? its an edge....

Daz1214

very handy to have, specially to cut down reloading time in a tight situation

thermo

CaptainCook wrote: »

GBB Pistols as in real life are just fashion items compared to a rifle, utterly useless but look good and are great craic .

thats not really the case, in real life or airsoft! if you get a decent pistol you will find yourself well able to defend yourself in a spot, however like many things its about practice, get a good pistol (im a huge TM fan) go to the bother of finding what ammo works best with the gun in question and practice till your good then practice a bit more.
i have on ocasion out shot AEGS wit my TM MEU. but then i do practice every day.

CaptainCook

Lemming wrote: »

You haven't a scoobies.


OP, for your average skirmish you might not end up drawing a sidearm all day. Or you might, depending on what's going on around you and what rules you're playing by.

If you go play at a Fibua site, the odds increase greatly - even if just a skirmish day.

If you go to a themed event that incorporates milsim rules to a reasonable degree of attention, you will find yourself holding that pistol at some point, either because you're out of ammo, you need to ditch your main arm to run and grab something/someone, you need to carry something, it's night time and you'r ein a dark building, etc.

How you play, where you play, and what you play with, will greatly determine how often you defer to your sidearm (e.g. snipers, & support gunners, and vehicle occupants are far more likely to have to draw a side arm up close than infantry sorts).

sorry i am talking airsoft and the games ive played pistols, unless everyone else is using a pistol or a shotgun is useless. Against an aeg, they are just not practical, they have too low capacity. For a while when i had my m14, i would use that as my primary and attached a pantac mp7 holster to my ak chest rig and carried my mp7 in that. It wasnt much extra weight and was more usefull then a pistol, i could even use it as a primary when i got tired of carrying the m14 or in the area of hrta with all the prefabs, where the m14 was too big.

ive only played one milsim game and even then the only time i used my pistol was when i ran out of ammo. I still stand by what i said the gas pistols i own are about as usefull as my m79 or my madmax shotgun, not very usefull at all.They are great craic but not very usefull, aeps or smgs are much more usefull cause they weigh around the same as gbb and have much higher ammo capacity, higher rof and better range, they aren't as fun but much more useful. I guess it comes down to personnel preference but i leave my pistols for shooting out my back garden or pistol only games in the office.

Lemming

CaptainCook wrote: »

sorry i am talking airsoft and the games ive played

Oh, you're talking airsoft. Riiiiight, and here I was thinking we were discussing real world operators and the latest craze in Afghanistan or something silly like that ....

Against an aeg, they are just not practical, they have too low capacity.

Once again, I'll say it. Yoiu haven't a scoobies. You're trying to compare apples to aircraft carriers, never mind oranges. Of course a pistol vs. aeg on an AEG's terms is most likely going to fare less well.

But you're not looking at why one would use a pistol and under what circumstances (besides lack of choice). If you're trying to use a pistol to range somebody at 31+ ft there's something really wrong with what you're doing. If you're trying to go toe to toe against somebody beyond short range with a pistol when they have an AEG and a vest full of mags, there's something really wrong with what you're doing.

The right tool for the right job.

You wouldn't try to use a sniper rifle as a support gun would you? Or try to snipe with a pistol? Would you take a long arm in a CTR where stealth, silence, and speed are the name of the game? How about using a support gun or an assault rifle in the middle of the night in pitch-black in a building?

Pistols have their application; and they do it well. You need to remember that no, a pistol is not an AEG and think about why/when you might actually want to have your sidearm drawn when playing airsoft. At the end of the day, pistols are very handy to have. No, you wont always need it because that's just the way it goes. You don't need one to skirmish with, but then again, you don't need anything to skirmish with other than face protection, an AEG and one high-cap when you want to get right down to it ...

hairyman

If you have ever used a well sorted TM Pistol using the right bb weight then you might second guess your AEG when it comes to deciding on a primary.

I have been lucky enough to own both a TM Desert Eagle and a Glock 26 advance which both had superb range and accuracy.

For me its a simple equation of sorts,
People that use Hi caps tend not to rely/carry on pistols whereas mid/low and realcap users do.

Note,,that was not a stab at any body who uses Hi cap mags.

.22 Lover

Have any of you fella's ever used revolvers or is that just considered pointless?

CaptainCook

I amnot trying to troll here here and i seem to have hiy a nerve with some people, i just find that an AEP like a mp7 or scorpion which is not much bigger then a pistol and weighs roughly the same is far more practical then a GBB, it can do everything a GBB can do but better, higher rof, more accurate, cheaper and lighter mags. For me its much more useful.

Firekitten

.22 Lover wrote: »

Have any of you fella's ever used revolvers or is that just considered pointless?

oh no, Tanaka revolvers are well up there with reliable... and lovely to boot.

CaptainCook wrote: »

I amnot trying to troll here here and i seem to have hiy a nerve with some people, i just find that an AEP like a mp7 or scorpion which is not much bigger then a pistol and weighs roughly the same is far more practical then a GBB, it can do everything a GBB can do but better, higher rof, more accurate, cheaper and lighter mags. For me its much more useful.

Not hit a nerve persay.... just.... getting people's backs up by talking rubbish.

Your main logic, is a bigger magazine capacity, and by virtue of the mp7, full auto, makes it better than a gbb pistol.... So try aiming ? Its not remotely more practical, its bigger, and heavier.

its also not remotely more accurate.

If you use a pistol right, or any airsoft gun, you do not need 50,000 round hicaps, or one zillion round a second rates of fire. One bb, one target. If your gun can hit that, sorted.
Perhaps you have bad experience with pistols, or just prefer to spray and walk your fire onto the target. If its the latter, yes, i can see why you find them useless, you probably run out of ammunition before hitting the target, and get a sore trigger finger.


However a lot of us just skip the chase and aim. (yes they have sights)


Thermo: can't agree more, my TM p226 and .28s, is a solid reliable beast. It just rocks on and on and hasn't failed me yet. TM pistols are the DH-2 Beaver of airsoft. You can punch it, kick it, rip bits off it, abuse it, and it will still do exactly what you ask of it each and every time.

cheecch251

Going to your pistol when your aeg Is broken, empty or batt is dead will give you some protection while your sorting yourself out.
Some people also carry a smg + pistol + rifle to give them different options for different missions or situations the happen to find them selves in.
But you dont have to have one but its nice to know you have something to fall back on in a crisis:)

Its better to be looking at it, than looking for it!

NakedDex

I, like a few here, have been at this a while now. In all those years, I've heard some pretty outlandish claims of the benefits and pitfalls of everything from helical gears and and non-linear springs, to box mags and 40mm launchers, backed up by claims of everything from "I saw it on Futureweapons" to actual military experience.
Never, however, have I heard pistols being described as "fashion accessories". That is quite mind boggling.


I have a TM MP7. I'm quite enamoured with it. It's small and compact, reasonably light and is easy to carry on a tight sling as an option. It is not, however, in any way smaller, more compact, lighter or easier to carry than my KWA Glock 17, or any of the pistols I own/use. Those criteria aren't even applicable to my TM Desert Eagle, and that is in no way small.

I honestly think you are missing the entire point of the use of a pistol, and the dynamics of how to use them to your advantage. There's been more than one occasion that I've gone into a game with just a single pistol, just because it's an enjoyable change (and I was far from at a disadvantage, I can assure you).
In regular games, I've had to draw it on innumerate occasions, for countless reasons.


Do yourself a huge favour. Ditch the AEG some time, and draw your pistol if your targets are within 15 yards, or in a building. You'll soon realise what having a good pistol can do in that situation

Blair

This is some good advice, thanks guys.

Firekitten

cheecch251 wrote: »

Going to your pistol when your aeg Is broken, empty or batt is dead will give you some protection while your sorting yourself out.
Some people also carry a smg + pistol + rifle to give them different options for different missions or situations the happen to find them selves in.
But you dont have to have one but its nice to know you have something to fall back on in a crisis:)

Its better to be looking at it, than looking for it!

Stuff carrying an extra rifle or smg to change over to. That's what the safezone is for :P exersise of running back will do most airsofters good.