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I'm appalled by the state of broadband affairs in Ireland - My Story
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16-09-2010 2:25pm#1
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Sponge Bob, cheers for the reply. I've tried everything to get UPC into our estate, there is no management company, the estate was recently taken over by the county council so I got onto a local councillor who got onto the Legal & Enforcement Section of our county council and here was their replies.
"Spoke to Eircom. Eircom cable in place - provided to dev. Eircom own network as per contract with dev. UPC could use eircom cable to provide service. Eircom don't provide ducting and network use for free"
ith eircom or obtain a road opening license and lay a duct themselves
Then a week later they came back with the following,
"I am not sure what more I can advise on this matter. There is a cable laid by Eircom (see attached layout drawing received from eircom) but it is in their control and if UPC wish to use this they must deal w. We do not take these ducts in charge."
Jeeez
First of all UPC do not use eircom cable at all, eircom cable is much too thin for their service.
Secondly is the ducting capable of taking UPC cable as WELL as eircom cable, if not UPC have to tack cable along the soffits and fascias like they normally do in housing estates with semis.
In that case UPC needs a wayleave form each house and you could personally organise that even if a lot of the houses are empty because the developer can give you those wayleaves...especially if you tell him nobody will buy the houses without UPC cable installed
A resident sorting the wayleave forms for UPC makes life so much easier. It is all or nothing though. You need to get every house signed up or UPC will not be interested.
Finally, Westmeath council are evidently gobsh1tes giving an answer like that
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Sponge Bob wrote: »First of all UPC do not use eircom cable at all, eircom cable is much too thin for their service.
I understand that about the Eircom cable nto being suitable for cable bb/tv, however there is coaxial cable coming into my house. From the answers given by the county council it seems Eircom laid down the coaxial cable network in our estate.Sponge Bob wrote: »Secondly is the ducting capable of taking UPC cable as WELL as eircom cable, if not UPC have to tack cable along the soffits and fascias like they normally do in housing estates with semis.
In that case UPC needs a wayleave form each house and you could personally organise that even if a lot of the houses are empty because the developer can give you those wayleaves...especially if you tell him nobody will buy the houses without UPC cable installed
A resident sorting the wayleave forms for UPC makes life so much easier. It is all or nothing though. You need to get every house signed up or UPC will not be interested.
Finally, Westmeath council are evidently gobsh1tes giving an answer like that
All the wiring in our estate is underground so I can't see some of the residents agreeing to this :mad: The coaxial cable needed for cable tv/broadband is already in place, its just a matter of UPC and Eircom coming to an agreement :mad:0 -
I understand that about the Eircom cable nto being suitable for cable bb/tv, however there is coaxial cable coming into my house. From the answers given by the county council it seems Eircom laid down the coaxial cable network in our estate.
Nahhh, eircom laying coax ???? Never heard of that happening. The developer laid it.
Where does the co ax go from your house and are you on a co ax ring or on a 'tail' off a ring ??? Where are the junction boxes for the ring , on the street perhaps next to your duct ??The coaxial cable needed for cable tv/broadband is already in place, its just a matter of UPC and Eircom coming to an agreement :mad:
The duct/co ax does not belong to eircom, simples. It belonged to the developer until the estate was taken in charge as did the road and footpaths etc and now arguably belongs to the council outside and to you inside the front wall. eircom bring a cable to the entrance of the estate , that is unquestionably theirs. The developer installed all the cables on the estate and 'owned' them until the take in charge.
Ducting never transfers to eircom, they get a squatters right to it after c.14 years as do UPC with cable hung along soffits in the same time period. This is in the form of a permanent wayleave that cannot be extinguished. Unless eircom have had sole use of these ducts for 14 years then the issue does not arise. Thereafter they have an exclusive wayleave by virtue of it not being challenged not because of any formal process.
UPC would still need a written wayleave from each householder confirming they have access to this duct inside the front walls but other than that they can easily take it over.
A residents association can 'invite' UPC to engage and can help with the wayleave paperwork by going door to door and mapping the wayleaves properly. Once UPC realise there is no issue they could play ball...unless the co-ax is cack that is
Once the paperwork is in place UPC could easily offer their service. The council will do nothing to interfere with them on the street outside.
(edit) contact Crossan cable in Longford and clarify this point, they are independent but come across this situation all the time
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" I've shot off an email to the head of network build at UPC, so hopefully I can get more information from him.
PM me that information ...may come in handy
You should be seen to 'represent' someone, an ad hoc sub committee of the residents association should be set up to deal with this specific issue. Sometimes a route can be sorted by discreetly trunking across back walls from other enabled estates (if everybody signs the correct wayleaves that is)
After all, it will up the value of everyones property in these hard times
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Could you provide more information regarding this 2007 arrangment thing, the estate I live in is roughly 8 years old.
The [url=http://business.eircom.net/html/DLO.pdf
]2007 arrangement[/url] gives eircom a written right to use the ducting in return for their 'advice' during construction.
Nowhere does it say that eircom supply anything except advice in return for access from day one. I suspect it gives eircom a Section 72 'burden' sort of interest or wayleave ab initio rather than later. I don't know the delicacies involved.
Pre 2007 is free for all save where an exclusive deal with a provider like Smart or Magnet was in place. Eventually eircom get their wayleave by being in the duct providing a service and own it thereafter if nobody else can show they used it...squatters rights apply to eircom too you know and to UPC too 0 -
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Just rang to see if UPC do BB to River Village yet, and they say that they do not! Why is it that they can provide digital TV, but not BB - surely all that is needed is some additional kit as the cable is already there, or is this a simplistic assumption on my part? 0
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Just rang to see if UPC do BB to River Village yet, and they say that they do not! Why is it that they can provide digital TV, but not BB - surely all that is needed is some additional kit as the cable is already there, or is this a simplistic assumption on my part?
There are plenty of current UPC threads on going, without the need to drag up a 9 month old thread. Availability is being discussed in many of them.0
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