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Medicine Entry without fees
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15-09-2010 7:00pm#1Hi all,
I am a first-year science student in NUIG. Unfortunately, in a rush of blood to the head, I didn't put Medecine down as my first choice and now reeeeeeeally regret it. I am considering changing to medicine in NUIG next year as my Leaving Cert points and combined H-pat score from last year would most likely be enough to let me in. I was wondering if anyone could answer this question for me:
Would completing first Science and thereby having sufficient knowledge of the three fundamental sciences mean that I would technically be entering First med which is the second year of medecine and skipping Pre-med mean that the government would or would not still pay my tuition fees?
Fees would be absolutely crippling. Fingers crossed.
Please reply to this thread if you are, or have been, in the same position as me. Any info here would be very helpful. Thanks:o0
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If you go through the CAO, you're deemed as going into first year, hence 1st med is not considered the 2nd year of med unless you do pre-med - you'll have to pay fees.
Best thing you can do is talk to someone in the SU, see what the deadlines are for dropping out - if you drop out early enough, you'll save yourself the fees. It's different with every college, and it depends entirely on how they do it - but there's different ways they can source the funding from the govt. for you. If they do it in 1 lump-sum at the very start of the year, you're already screwed. If they don't do it until a month or so, you'll be able to drop out and pay no fees, or if they do 50% fees per semester, you'll be able to drop out up until a certain date and only pay 50% fees.
Drop into the SU (upstairs, Aras na mac leinn) in the morning and I'm sure someone will sort you out
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challengemaster wrote: »If you go through the CAO, you're deemed as going into first year, hence 1st med is not considered the 2nd year of med unless you do pre-med - you'll have to pay fees.
Best thing you can do is talk to someone in the SU, see what the deadlines are for dropping out - if you drop out early enough, you'll save yourself the fees. It's different with every college, and it depends entirely on how they do it - but there's different ways they can source the funding from the govt. for you. If they do it in 1 lump-sum at the very start of the year, you're already screwed. If they don't do it until a month or so, you'll be able to drop out and pay no fees, or if they do 50% fees per semester, you'll be able to drop out up until a certain date and only pay 50% fees.
Drop into the SU (upstairs, Aras na mac leinn) in the morning and I'm sure someone will sort you out
Absolutely perfect advice!
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challengemaster wrote: »If you go through the CAO, you're deemed as going into first year, hence 1st med is not considered the 2nd year of med unless you do pre-med - you'll have to pay fees.
Best thing you can do is talk to someone in the SU, see what the deadlines are for dropping out - if you drop out early enough, you'll save yourself the fees. It's different with every college, and it depends entirely on how they do it - but there's different ways they can source the funding from the govt. for you. If they do it in 1 lump-sum at the very start of the year, you're already screwed. If they don't do it until a month or so, you'll be able to drop out and pay no fees, or if they do 50% fees per semester, you'll be able to drop out up until a certain date and only pay 50% fees.
Drop into the SU (upstairs, Aras na mac leinn) in the morning and I'm sure someone will sort you out
Ok thanks for the advice. I went to the Clinical Sciences Institute in the hospital and an administrator said I wouldn't have to pay fees as I would have done , basically, the same course as the Pre-meds and would technically be entering second year. Maybe not. Are you doing medicine ? 0 -
hopesarehigh wrote: »Ok thanks for the advice. I went to the Clinical Sciences Institute in the hospital and an administrator said I wouldn't have to pay fees as I would have done , basically, the same course as the Pre-meds and would technically be entering second year. Maybe not. Are you doing medicine ?
Sometimes internal transfers can be organised within the university. I think you can go to the admissions/applications office in Aras Ui Cathaill to talk about it, if you head from Aras na Mac Leinn towards concourse and follow the road to the right, its the building on the right. Its also the fees office.
Technically, you would be applying on a new CAO form for a new course which would make you eligible for fees (if you do the whole year science). Did you have LC chemistry? If you do apply next year it will go by your LC results so you may not be offered first med straight off, you'd have to contact the college itself around the time of the offers to tell them that you did science.
Your best bet may be just to drop out now to save your fees. Just make sure your LC/HPAT are good enough to get in next year, you'd want to be well into the 720's I'd say if the points keep going up.0 -
QueenOfLeon wrote: »Sometimes internal transfers can be organised within the university. I think you can go to the admissions/applications office in Aras Ui Cathaill to talk about it, if you head from Aras na Mac Leinn towards concourse and follow the road to the right, its the building on the right. Its also the fees office.
Technically, you would be applying on a new CAO form for a new course which would make you eligible for fees (if you do the whole year science). Did you have LC chemistry? If you do apply next year it will go by your LC results so you may not be offered first med straight off, you'd have to contact the college itself around the time of the offers to tell them that you did science.
Your best bet may be just to drop out now to save your fees. Just make sure your LC/HPAT are good enough to get in next year, you'd want to be well into the 720's I'd say if the points keep going up.
I have 732 overall, so that should be ok. Yeah I will do that and check. I did LC chemistry and got a B2 in it. I won't drop out, as I have signed a 9 month lease and will still have to pay the rent, so possibly I will give this course a shot. Even if I had to pay fees I wouldn't have to do pre-med which would save the expenses of living in Galway for an extra year which aren't all that small. Science in first year is basically pre-med, with a few small differences obviously. Another person I know said they got to change without fees after doing a similar science course and changing their mind after a year as in that way they were technically entering second year, however this sounds too good to be true in reality. Maybe things do happen for a good reason.
Oh, the trials and tribulations of it all. Lol.0 -
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This is my understanding of things...
It is possible to transfer to different courses (where pre-reqs/etc can be met - ie. science to science) and maybe that's what you've heard about? It's entirely possible for someone to do say, undenominated science and after 1st year, have some sort of internal transfer arranged to a different science course, as the material for 1st year isn't really all that different...
With all things, there are exceptions, and medicine is it in this case...
AFAIK, the only ways you can get into medicine are via CAO/Grad med, I don't think internal transfers are allowed within medicine...
Also, despite pre-med being basically first science, you can't substitute one for the other. It's because they're in separate faculties, and degrees really...
Even if you do manage to get offered the 5 year course, you will have to pay first year fees - the 5/6 year courses are separate, so if you do pre-med, that's year 1 in the 6 year course, and 1st med is year 1 in the 5 year course....
Some people who failed pre-med after being offered the 5 year course and took the 6 year, can't skip to 1st med - they chose the 6 year, so they do 6 years...which I think is fair enough tbh.
1st science is fairly crap, in fairness, it's basically to get everyone up to speed on what others may have already covered, and go from an equal start point for year 2. Stick it out, see what you think by the time you've finished the year - and put in a bit of effort for exams/practical work, at least if you stay with science, you've a good chance of getting the modules for 2nd year you want.
If you decide to stick with science, I'd recommend Physiology and possibly Anatomy as modules to pick, they're the most medicine orientated ones, and physiology is awesome :P If you end up still wanting to do medicine after, there's always grad med
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challengemaster wrote: »This is my understanding of things...
1st science is fairly crap, in fairness, it's basically to get everyone up to speed on what others may have already covered, and go from an equal start point for year 2. Stick it out, see what you think by the time you've finished the year - and put in a bit of effort for exams/practical work, at least if you stay with science, you've a good chance of getting the modules for 2nd year you want.
If you decide to stick with science, I'd recommend Physiology and possibly Anatomy as modules to pick, they're the most medicine orientated ones, and physiology is awesome :P If you end up still wanting to do medicine after, there's always grad med
Best of luck with it anyway
I suppose that's true. I chose science for the simple reason of wanting to keep all my options open, in case of ending up taking the Maths teaching/lecturing route which also interests me. Grad medicine is a possibility , way more so than dropping out !. In all seriousness though, 1st Science is unbelievably ****e...:eek: hopefully, you say it will get better
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