sfp 2013

k mac

Has anybody else heard that the new sfp from 2013 is going to be based on this years stocking rate ?

reilig

k mac wrote: »

Has anybody else heard that the new sfp from 2013 is going to be based on this years stocking rate ?

I haven't heard that but I hope it is. I am well stocked this year.

I have heard that they are possibly going to have 2 rates of payment for this country based on the 2 "Nut" areas that the EU have divided Ireland into. One area is the west of the country to include Kerry, Clare, Longford and Donegal and the counties in Connacht. This area will receive a higher rate of payment than all of the other counties. The second area is all the other counties.

But there are loads of rumours going around and all are hearsay. I personally think that they will go back to a scheme similar to the previous system where money is paid based on your stocking rate each year rather than the current reference year based payments which give no incentive to produce.

Tora Bora

BIG Clare farmer, who always seems to be in the know, is VERY, busy buying strong weanlings heifers, to be put with the bull next year. Totally against his form. Something is definitely brewing. He never makes a wrong move. Well connected. Has the communion money in the post office.

pakalasa

Would this big Clare farmer be based between Ennis and Limerick?

supersean1999

i was destocked 85 ewes, i now have knee high grass, and nowhere near enough sheep, is it fair to base my payments because i was forced to destock, id much prefer my sheep and recieve less payments, id be more my own boss,

vanderbadger

supersean1999 wrote: »

i was destocked 85 ewes, i now have knee high grass, and nowhere near enough sheep, is it fair to base my payments because i was forced to destock, id much prefer my sheep and recieve less payments, id be more my own boss,

how do mean you were destocked? do you mean you had to keep less for REPS or something?

dryan

How is this going to pan out?

Back in 00 - 02, there wasnt as much focus on it.
There are plenty of lads that did know the story and were able to increase the stock levels and have reaped the rewards for the last 7 years and will continue to do so till '13. The rest of us are here kicking ourselves and are not going to let this opportunity pass us by again. There is too much at stake.

No doubt, there will be plenty of rumours flying around as to how it will be done. Is this just another?

If it is to pan out this way, will it lead to seriously inflated weingling/store cattle prices for the few years ahead?

supersean1999

vanderbadger wrote: »

how do mean you were destocked? do you mean you had to keep less for REPS or something?

the commanage destocking was a joke, the man with 500 sheep was reduced to 400 the man with 100 down to 75, even tho they both had same shares, only one was a greedy prick and overstocked the hill, the hills should of been looked at, seen how many sheep they could carry and devide it then by shares, hense reducing num sheep in reps,

johngalway

vanderbadger wrote: »

how do mean you were destocked? do you mean you had to keep less for REPS or something?

My Dad was destocked years ago. Open commonage which the neighbours (with no rights), not to put too fine a point on it, raped. He had sorted his flock for the year, sold all old and not up to scratch. Department letter arrived, destock by 20%. He didn't even pick them, walked into the field and took out 20% of his flock. Only when his brothers died did I see him as upset.

He never over stocked the hill, ye he was punished because of the neighbours. The real killer is they got paid for all their rats of sheep they sold off, while ours were quality stock. Didn't matter to them. Polluter pays my ar$e, the polluter was highly rewarded.

Miller80

How will it work for dairy men, will it be on volume of milk produced?

whelan1

hope it doesnt go on this years production :mad:

Birdnuts

All goes to to show that the CAP has been as big a mess as the EU's policy on Fisheries - not helped eithier by clumsy shortsighted agri policies at a national level in this country:(

crystalmac

See my post below from 30/06/10, I aggree very much with a lot of comments above, i can not increse my stock, simply because other's in my commonage were way over stocked, how can people like me and others like me make progess with their hands tied while other's walk all over the system and gain hugly, i am trying, but getting walked on along with alot of ye it seems

How can we get changes made to the Commonage Framework Plan problems that help the dis-advantage shareholders in commonages that were not over stocked???.


comments from 30/06/10
Commonage Framework Plans problems
Hi
First time post, I have a share in a commonage, the hill consists of approx 550 acres, there is nine shareholders in the commonage of different share sizes, five do not used the commonage, only one of the nine shareholders put cattle on the hill (that being farmer 3), only 4 of the shareholders with sheep, with the following numbers set under Commonage Framework Plans:

Myself 120 sheep- 180 acres of commonage and 47 acres of lowland at present (16 cows and cattle 14), I have now also rented another farm with 20 acres + 80 acres of commonage

Farmer one
Farmer one 34 sheep – 80 acres of commonage and 35 acres of lowland (cattle 18)

Farmer two
Farmer two 45 sheep – 80 acres of commonage and 24 acres of lowland (cattle 6) (took 3 years to get sheep to the hill after starting farming) this guy started farming in 2004 by buying this farm, he received a quota of 45 sheep and still has the same 80 acres share in the commonage as farmer 3 who has 525 ewes

Farmer three
Farmer three 525 sheep – 80 acres of commonage. And 36 acres of lowland and rent 10 acres of lowland for lambing (cattle 18 cows and another 7-8 cattle or more) {had over 750 ewes before Commonage Framework Plans or more)

I started farming in 1998 and the first year I had
1998 - 120 ewes
1999 - 156 ewes
2000 - 171 ewes

i intended to increse to 250 ewes approx


The hill I am in was destocked by 30% under the Commonage Framework Plans (CFPs) in 2001 approx, I was only farming 2-3 years as ye can see then, as the largest shareholder I am wondering is their anyway to increase the numbers I have in the commonage I feel I am badly treated by the number of sheep I can keep as it was history based and I did not get time to build up my flock, my other neighbour farmers with rights too the hill also feel that they are mistreated while farmer 3 have over 525 ewes in commonage and is still receiving the financial rewards even that he eat the hill bare every year and stocked it too the maximum, farmer two had 250 ewes up till 1996, but cut down as farmer 3 pushed him out simply by feeding his sheep nuts in the hill every day during the winter in separate pens, it took a few hours to separate the sheep of everyone, but in the end it paid farmer 3 as farmer 2 has to take his sheep home for a few months every winter and in the end reduced his numbers as it was too costly, farmer 2 only now only has 45 sheep at most

Is their any way to increase the ewe number as I feel I have a right and acres in the commonage, but also depend on farming so much now, I am 31 years old and really crazy about farming, I did try the department of agriculture a few years ago and got now where with this issue, I feel very mad that farmer 3 that stocked the hill to the maximum and beyond still gets rewarded still for doing so in a big way with SPS and also the new payments of €10 per ewe again all over??, while the rest of us look on.

Can I do anything to try to make a living while not being eat out of this commonage, the other farmers 1 and 2 also feel the same, but will not speak up, their afraid of farmer 3 who can be aggressive and like to walk all over every body??, I must say at the same time we all pull and get on all of us which is great to be fair, but at the same time we all got to live

We have much the same situation on another local commonage that my dad is in farmer’s 3 brother has over 900 sheep and only 56 acres of commonage in this hill

stocking rate on commonage
myself stocking rate of 1ewe to 1.5 acres at present and will become 1 ewe to 2.16 acres with this new land i rented for 10 years with commonage

Farmer twoit took years to put a few sheep on the hill after the Commonage Framework Plans, but still only received a stocking rate of 1 ewe to 1.77 acres

farmer 3 stocking rate of 1 ewe to 0.015 acres


Any one get to increase numbers after the Commonage Framework Plans??
Any idea’s on how to go forward with this issue??
Is their some way to review the Commonage Framework Plans??

5live

Europe keeps telling us that historic payment system will not be an option going forward( christ but im becoming all micheal martin). They want a flat rate per acre but ifa want historic. FF dont seem to have any idea what to do with this and FG and labour Just want to support the winner. I cannot see anything but flat rate with top up for disadvantaged areas. Now whether this would be flat rate over all country or county or DED i dont know.

BeeDI

5live wrote: »

Europe keeps telling us that historic payment system will not be an option going forward( christ but im becoming all micheal martin). They want a flat rate per acre but ifa want historic. FF dont seem to have any idea what to do with this and FG and labour Just want to support the winner. I cannot see anything but flat rate with top up for disadvantaged areas. Now whether this would be flat rate over all country or county or DED i dont know.

Only winner in farming is Larry G and Tesco:mad:

Bitten & Hisses

5live wrote: »

I cannot see anything but flat rate with top up for disadvantaged areas.

This would suit me down to the ground, but what we'll most likely get is whatever suits the best-connected individuals in the IFA.

Username John

5live wrote: »

They want a flat rate per acre but ifa want historic.

The IFA want historic - so this reference years system, and not based on what is currently being produced? This is very anti new-farmer setting up isnt it?

5live

Ithink they want to reduce the differences and simplify their checking on us. Just like they can count ALL our sheep in a few years by running electric tags past their scanner. And then come cows. And we will prob have elec tags on our ears in a few years. I think IFA stance is mental and they saying that this is the only thing they are fighting on. Just to keep overall figure. But i think they surely have a backup flat rate system in place. I would lose about 20 a ha in flat rate but my neighbour would lose thousands as he had 10 22 and slaughter AND extensification. But he bloody works hard for it