Legal age to quit school

Denzil2222 · 13-09-2010 2:27pm #1

The legal age to quit school is 16, do you think it should go up to 17 or 18 ?

_feedback_ · 13-09-2010 2:29pm

Denzil2222 wrote: »

The legal age to quit school is 16, do you think it should go up to 17 or 18 ?

No, I done my leaving cert at 17. So it'd be a bit annoying having to sit there for another year until I was legal to go home.

AnonoBoy · 13-09-2010 2:30pm

I think it should be 21.

And for the 3 years after Leaving Cert they should just have to go to manners school.

That'll learn 'em some manners, damn pesky kids! :mad:

B0X · 13-09-2010 2:30pm

no i qut skul wen i wz 16 nd now im on de dole nd i kno a lad who hz a collage dagree nd hes on de dole bu gettin less den me LOL

R0ot · 13-09-2010 2:30pm

elviscostello wrote: »

No, I done my leaving cert at 17. So it'd be a bit annoying having to sit there for another year until I was legal to go home.

What result did you get on your English Papers? :pac:

chin_grin · 13-09-2010 2:34pm

Only five posts in on a thread topic regarding education and already we have a grammar Nazi. That HAS to be a new record!

I think the Leaving Cert should be mandatory though. Is it? Not too sure! Egg on my face if it is, oh lawdy lawd.

Dravokivich · 13-09-2010 2:36pm

chin_grin wrote: »

I think the Leaving Cert should be mandatory though. Is it? Not too sure! Egg on my face if it is, oh lawdy lawd.

Only the Juniour is manadatory. Not too sure what the story is if the kid had sat the juniour and is still under 16.

Most people that had intended to do apprenticeships would have only needed the Juniour.

orourkeda · 13-09-2010 2:37pm

Little Johhny leaaving cert needs a good crack on the arse.

R0ot · 13-09-2010 2:37pm

chin_grin wrote: »

Only five posts in on a thread topic regarding education and already we have a grammar Nazi. That HAS to be a new record!

I think the Leaving Cert should be mandatory though. Is it? Not too sure! Egg on my face if it is, oh lawdy lawd.

I've actually made it in on the first reply before but I digress. An Education thread is a perfect place for a grammar Nazi. :pac:

_feedback_ · 13-09-2010 2:38pm

R0ot wrote: »

What result did you get on your English Papers? :pac:

What result did you need to get in to the grammar police?!

Pace2008 · 13-09-2010 2:38pm

Irish schools are geared almost entirely towards academic disciplines and many people are simply not academically inclined.

As things stand, if someone wants to become a tradesman they’d be better quitting school at a young age rather than being forced to stay and invest their time in areas in which they have no aptitude nor interest.

death1234567 · 13-09-2010 2:38pm

chin_grin wrote: »

I think the Leaving Cert should be mandatory though.

+1.

starbelgrade · 13-09-2010 2:38pm

Education is compulsory for all children in Ireland from the ages of six to 16 or until students have completed three years of second level education and including one sitting of the Junior Certificate examination although it is most common to start primary education aged four or five.

Brendog · 13-09-2010 2:39pm

16??

You are registered as an adult when you are 18.
If you're 16, you're still under guardianship of your parents so its up to them if you should stay in school until you're 18.

I definitly think it should be 18.
Although if you're stupid enough to leave school before/after your Junior cert then there not much hope for you anyway!

My name is URL · 13-09-2010 2:41pm

I don't think it should be changed.. don't most who leave early do apprenticeships etc? Those same people are unlikely to go to college to do the same thing when they don't actually need to.

There should be no dole until you reach the age of 21.. that might stop people leaving school early just to lay up

R0ot · 13-09-2010 2:48pm

elviscostello wrote: »

What result did you need to get in to the grammar police?!

You needed an A1 in "how to be a ****" paper.

_feedback_ · 13-09-2010 2:52pm

R0ot wrote: »

You needed an A1 in "how to be a ****" paper.

Silly mistake on my part. I've fixed it now

elviscostello wrote: »

No, I doned my leaving cert at 17. So it'd be a bit annoying having to sit there for another year until I was legal to go home.

Denzil2222 · 13-09-2010 3:01pm

The thing is these days somebody that left school a few years ago at 16 to work on a building site and someone who stayed in school did the lc and went to college are both standing in the same line at the post office getting the dole.

Burkatron · 13-09-2010 3:01pm

R0ot wrote: »

What result did you get on your English Papers? :pac:

Bart: (reading cue cards) Hello, Mr... Kurns. I bad want... money now. Me sick.
Homer: Ooh, he card reads good.

damn Simpsons, I havent watched it properly in years & it's still the 1st thing that pops into my brain in most situations!!!

The Paws · 13-09-2010 3:03pm

I think anyone aged 16 is far too young to make their own choice - 18 years might be better age as long as you reached 18 then you can decide to stay on or leave school. However if you are 17 and completed leaving cert then it is ok.

topper75 · 13-09-2010 3:05pm

Pace2008 wrote: »

Irish schools are geared almost entirely towards academic disciplines and many people are simply not academically inclined.

Academic overemphasis is unpleasant for students I'll grant you.

However, now that all our stuff is made in the east, we had better get academically inclined if we are to survive as an economy. Good schooling can no longer be just an option. Before, we had the people who were not 'academically inclined' doing trades for the building boom and working assembly lines in factories. You can kiss those options goodbye for the future though.

Denzil2222 · 13-09-2010 3:24pm

wrote:

I think the Leaving cert should be mandatory

But would you make going to college mandatory too? Thats what the leaving cert is all about getting points for going to college.

mikemac · 13-09-2010 3:26pm

Brendog wrote: »

I definitly think it should be 18.

I did my leaving cert when I was 17, so did thousands of others every year

ItsAWindUp · 13-09-2010 3:33pm

Can't you leave after Junior Cert?

johnmcdnl · 13-09-2010 3:33pm

Anyone who quits school at 16 was never gonna get a good leaving anyways in fairness - they have no interest and would only end up disrupting classes and making it harder for students who were actually interested in doing well for the leaving...

Most people in my year were 17 doing the leaving cert and I know of a few people who did the leaving at 16 so what would these people do then - repeat for 3-4 months until there 18 and then quit :rolleyes:

But seriously - if they want to drop out let them at it because all they'll do for the extra 2 years is continue to arse about and will have the same end result - them on the dole but as well as having them on the dole they could have disrupted say English class so much that the rest of the students in that class ended up suffering and didn't achieve their potential...

We all know that teacher who spends the whole class trying to control the rowdy students and the end result is nothing being done - its not fair on the students who are trying - just let them drop out if they want too because their not gonna sit down and say - hey I should work and get a life for me - these lads intend to either go to live of the dole or be a builder or whatever regardless of what they get in the leaving anyways - keeping them in school for another 2 years is a waste of time

number10a · 13-09-2010 3:37pm

johnmcdnl wrote: »

Anyone who quits school at 16 was never gonna get a good leaving anyways in fairness - they have no interest and would only end up disrupting classes and making it harder for students who were actually interested in doing well for the leaving...

Most people in my year were 17 doing the leaving cert and I know of a few people who did the leaving at 16 so what would these people do then - repeat for 3-4 months until there 18 and then quit :rolleyes:

But seriously - if they want to drop out let them at it because all they'll do for the extra 2 years is continue to arse about and will have the same end result - them on the dole but as well as having them on the dole they could have disrupted say English class so much that the rest of the students in that class ended up suffering and didn't achieve their potential...

We all know that teacher who spends the whole class trying to control the rowdy students and the end result is nothing being done - its not fair on the students who are trying - just let them drop out if they want too because their not gonna sit down and say - hey I should work and get a life for me - these lads intend to either go to live of the dole or be a builder or whatever regardless of what they get in the leaving anyways - keeping them in school for another 2 years is a waste of time

^^^^Basically what I was going to say.

Being allowed to leave at 16 filters out a lot of the dìckheads and allows people who actually want to do well in school to concentrate because of their classes being disrupted less.

Procasinator · 13-09-2010 3:44pm

I say let people leave after the Junior Cert is the so wish. They might already know what they want to do, and the leaving cert might not offer anything for them; it might even hinder them time-wise.

Let us not forget, that if someone finds that they need the Leaving Cert later, they can sit it at any age.

ILA · 13-09-2010 3:51pm

People shouldn't be allowed leave education until 18 at the earliest, and should be required to achieve FETAC Level 4/Leaving Certificate level.

Obviously at 16, there should be practical options open in terms of apprenticeships or other practical courses, but there should be no dole until reaching 18 at least.

Education and Qualifications are the key to success in life. There is a direct corrallation to the current number of unemployed person under 25 years of age and their level of educational achievement. Time and time again you will hear that they left school for work in the construction industry, but had no real skills or qualifications which would carry them through.

So in conclusion, there should be a split into two different streams: academic and practical. The current system isn't functioning in this way, and it should.

My name is URL · 13-09-2010 3:57pm

ILA wrote: »

Education and Qualifications are the key to success in life.

That's not entirely true.. plenty of successful entrepreneurs left school early or do not have a college degree.. I'm sure that there's a bigger chance of succeeding in whatever you do with a qualification but it's not the be all and end all of life

Pherekydes · 13-09-2010 4:06pm

ILA wrote: »

People shouldn't be allowed leave education until 18 at the earliest, and should be required to achieve FETAC Level 4/Leaving Certificate level.

I left school at 17. I was sick of it and wanted to get out and earn a living. I hated being dependent on my parents. There is an overemphasis on academic learning, points and degrees. 90% of workers won't need a degree to get the job they'll end up getting.

A lot of kids aren't academically inclined, and making them sit their LC and/or go to college is a waste of time and money, and also may be disruptive to the ones that are academically inclined.

I did an apprenticeship and within 6 years of leaving school I was supervising new apprentices and, later, teaching them.

There are trades out there for young people, like plumber, tiler, electrician and so on. No need for a degree or even a Leaving cert.

It's never too early to cut the umbilical cord...

Asphyxia · 13-09-2010 4:08pm

I don't see the point in kids been aloud to leave secondary school at all, I think after they complete school with a LC they should have a decision then especially with the lack of jobs about ad least if they didn't go on to college they could do a PLC or something. Without a LC it's hard to do anything these days.

dougal-maguire · 13-09-2010 4:36pm

16 is the right age.i wanted to quit a while after i turned 16 and the parents werent happy about it,so i stayed on and sat the leaving cert (did no work at all because i didnt want to be there,but didnt disrupt classes or anything).now im working,doing what i want to do,but,sitting the leaving cert left me with a year an a half less experience,and if i was unfortunate enough to be a year younger i wouldnt have a job now.i was 16,i knew what i wanted to do,and i knew i didnt need to know how rocks were formed or aobut some madman wearing pyjamas on a bus.

Cian92 · 13-09-2010 4:51pm

16 is a great age. People have had 11 years of an education, there is no point forcing people to do something they don't want to. No matter how many people attain degrees we will always need people to clean our streets, stock shelves in a supermarket or work on the assembly line.

It is best to let those who want to start working straight away. It is usually these kinda people who find work anyway. There are jobs out there for the lower paid.

cynder · 13-09-2010 4:53pm

I was 11 when i left and i was half way through 5th class.

I think every student should have do the leaving cert before leaving school.

Chuchoter · 13-09-2010 4:56pm

No, it should be brought down to 15, last thing I need is messers who don't want to be there fecking up my classes.

13-09-2010 5:00pm

I wonder how it was legal to finish LC at the age I did so
lol
oh well, I don't know what it should be, I think LC should be mandatory with no age restriction

Kasabian · 13-09-2010 5:31pm

Education is over-rated , nepotism is the way.

Pherekydes · 13-09-2010 7:53pm

bluewolf wrote: »

...I think LC should be mandatory with no age restriction

Well, I'm feckin' not doin' it!

Noodleworm · 13-09-2010 8:17pm

I don't think an age restriction would be good. I was still 16 when I did my leaving.
I dunno about making it compulsory, the kis who are in school, and don't want to be generally give everyone else a hard time.

Really, its stupid to leave without a leaving cert in these times
Leaving cert results get little enough attention on a CV, junior cert are just a joke.
The only way I can think of for someone straight out of school, with no leaving, can get a job is from family or friends...

If you have a leaving, you can change your mind and get into a PLC or college course... without waiting till your 23

why so serious? · 13-09-2010 10:18pm

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't think it should be changed.. don't most who leave early do apprenticeships etc? Those same people are unlikely to go to college to do the same thing when they don't actually need to.

There should be no dole until you reach the age of 21.. that might stop people leaving school early just to lay up

Most tradesmen won't take on people without leaving cert maths now anyway, and you can't get the dole until your 18, FAS is full to the gills with early school leavers though, suppose it's something for them until they turn 18.

Legal age to quit school

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