Bono moving Fair Trade manufacturing to China.

Cantona's Collars

Spotted this in the Daily Mail,after all his lobbying and preaching about giving Africa a chance,this is a low blow and hypocrasy by Bono.

Full article here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1311422/U2-singer-Bonos-African-fashion-line-moves-China.html

I wish Bono would fúck off to China and stay there.

Dyr

But it soon ran into problems with sourcing and delivery: shipments arrived late and retailers complained about the fit and design.

Cheek of hewson getting shirty about quality control..Has he listened to the crap he's put out over the last few decade's

Pookah

It wouldn't be really fair to criticise the move to China until the conditions and salaries of the workers making the clothes are known.

The mention in the article of the location as 'undisclosed' is unhelpful, and will naturally lead to speculation that Edun is making use of sweatshops, but since that would go against the whole ethos of the company, I'll reserve judgement until more is known.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Hopefully he goes with it

Renn

Why do people read this sh*t?

Banned Account

A few points spring to mind:

1) Why are the people who are so deserving of help so shít at making stuff? Surely if they were needy enough, they'd make sure they were doing the job right in the first place.

2) This is no different to U2 changing their tax base to a country outside Ireland in order to increase profits - so why is anyone surprised?

3) Paul "dump the debt" Hewson owns a share in Forbes magazine

4) After saying all of the above, he still donates more to charity than probably all of us put together so are we really in a position to criticise at the end of the day?

JonJoeDali

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

4) After saying all of the above, he still donates more to charity than probably all of us put together so are we really in a position to criticise at the end of the day?

Widow's mite comes to mind.

stovelid

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

4) After saying all of the above, he still donates more to charity than probably all of us put together so are we really in a position to criticise at the end of the day?

To be honest, that's what I always end up thinking. I don't like him at all, but for all his hypocrisy, he still does more than all my fulminations and cutting threads.

MidlandsM

Feck sake, whats with all the relentless BONO Bashing here in AH...........?

orourkeda

MidlandsM wrote: »

Feck sake, whats with all the relentless BONO Bashing here in AH...........?

It might have something to do with the fact he's a c**t

Renn

MidlandsM wrote: »

Feck sake, whats with all the relentless BONO Bashing here in AH...........?

Exactly, I think he's great

KyussBishop

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

4) After saying all of the above, he still donates more to charity than probably all of us put together so are we really in a position to criticise at the end of the day?

Yep, the enormous amount of hypocrisy involved deserves a lot of criticism. Bill Gates is one of the biggest charity donating philanthropist's in the world (probably the biggest), and business/ethics wise he was an enormously greeder ****er, and Microsoft (and thus Gates) earned a lot of money through that which they shouldn't have (same with most big business really).

rubberdiddies

it still amazes me (though doesnt surprise me) that the Bono bashing still goes on. If all the bashers had met the man and then formed the same opinion then I'd understand but he (and to be fair the rest of the band) have done more good for this country than all the politicians put together since Fianna Fail came to power in 1997. If you dont agree with that and think that they havent done any good for the country, they certainly havent done any bad.

We are living in a time with the worst government in history screwing us over left, right and centre and we choose to Bono bash??

We need to put our energy into getting rid of the current shower in government and not moaning about people we dont even know or havent met.

ps: I'm not a Bono fan, nor am I anti-Bono, but it worries me when the country is collapsing that some peoples main concern is where a company (Edun) that we have no connection to, or that is none of our business, manufactures its clothes!

KyussBishop

For all the good he 'might' have done for the country (examples?), that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve criticism (and a lot of it); even his own band members are critical of him.

orourkeda

rubberdiddies wrote: »

it still amazes me (though doesnt surprise me) that the Bono bashing still goes on. If all the bashers had met the man and then formed the same opinion then I'd understand but he (and to be fair the rest of the band) have done more good for this country than all the politicians put together since Fianna Fail came to power in 1997. If you dont agree with that and think that they havent done any good for the country, they certainly havent done any bad.

We are living in a time with the worst government in history screwing us over left, right and centre and we choose to Bono bash??

We need to put our energy into getting rid of the current shower in government and not moaning about people we dont even know or havent met.

ps: I'm not a Bono fan, nor am I anti-Bono, but it worries me when the country is collapsing that some peoples main concern is where a company (Edun) that we have no connection to, or that is none of our business, manufactures its clothes!

Perhaps I've been in a coma for the last 30 years but name something that Bono has done thats good for this country other than make sh*te music. Additionally doing something better than the current FF government is hardly an achievement is it?

The fact that Bono has moved a compnay isnt really the issue here. It's the element of hypocrisy involved

rubberdiddies

KyussBishop wrote: »

For all the good he 'might' have done for the country, that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve criticism (and a lot of it); even his own band members are critical of him.

theres constructive criticism and then theres just plain old lets start a thread about a clothing company so that we can Bono bash. I know anyuone can start a thread on pretty much anything and thats what I like about this place but we get the same ole bono bashing thread every couple of weeks

Banned Account

KyussBishop wrote: »

Yep, the enormous amount of hypocrisy involved deserves a lot of criticism. Bill Gates is one of the biggest charity donating philanthropist's in the world (probably the biggest), and business/ethics wise he was an enormously greeder ****er, and Microsoft (and thus Gates) earned a lot of money through that which they shouldn't have (same with most big business really).

The points that preceded the one you quoted do, indeed highlight the hypocrisy. That said, I don't feel I can criticise as he has done more good than I will in my lifetime. How do you measure when one has donated enough - is there a percentage of his wealth he'd need to give before it would become ok for him to preach?

Or is it the case that he should just stop preaching? (I know this would be too good to be true) joking aside, if he is doing some good for people somewhere should we not just let him get on with it and ignore him?

If we gag him there may be less good for some needy people done?

Just questions for discussion really.

orourkeda

rubberdiddies wrote: »

theres constructive criticism and then theres just plain old lets start a thread about a clothing company so that we can Bono bash. I know anyuone can start a thread on pretty much anything and thats what I like about this place but we get the same ole bono bashing thread every couple of weeks

The point as I see it is help the african continent as he suggests or shut the f*ck up.

Brendog

You know, theres a lot of people around the world tonight. Huddled together. Through fear brought by a tyrannical leader, hellbent onPLAY VERTIGO! WOOOOO BONO WOOOOO!

rubberdiddies

orourkeda wrote: »

Perhaps I've been in a coma for the last 30 years but name something that Bono has done thats good for this country other than make sh*te music. Additionally doing something better than the current FF government is hardly an achievement is it?

The fact that Bono has moved a compnay isnt really the issue here. It's the element of hypocrisy involved

wheres the hypocrisy? Did Bono physically move the company? does the company not have directors, management, people who actually make the decisions?

orourkeda wrote: »

name something that Bono has done thats good for this country other than make sh*te music

In my opinion, particularly in the 80's and 90's, when you went abroad and said you were from Ireland, 9 times out of 10 the person you were telling would talk about U2. I'm sure U2 (and not bono specifically) are/were responsible for a certain amount of tourism to this country.

Also, the band U2 still pay bucketloads of tax in Ireland. anyways, lets not get into the tax debate again!

My point is, we really have more important things to worry about in Ireland right now. No doubt Cowen and the likes are happy to have us focus our energy on Bono bashing, so long as it stops us being concerned about the real issues!

ejmaztec

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

4) After saying all of the above, he still donates more to charity than probably all of us put together so are we really in a position to criticise at the end of the day?

Link?

rubberdiddies

orourkeda wrote: »

The point as I see it is help the african continent as he suggests or shut the f*ck up.

surely Bishop tutu wouldnt be singing his praises if he had done nothing for Africa? you really think every time Bono (or any other 'celebrity' for that matter) donates money/time etc to a cause, that they advertise it? I'm sure he and others give more money than you'd like to believe-

Hail 2 Da Thief

I don't see the problem with this! It seems to be a case of moving 15% of the production overseas or risk having to close operations altogether. It's better having 85% of production in Africa than having 0%. This is always going to be a problem with producing products in developing countries. It may take time for them to establish an operation which runs smoothly & can meet the required demands.

Saadyst

It's so cool to bash bono :cool:

orourkeda

rubberdiddies wrote: »

wheres the hypocrisy? Did Bono physically move the company? does the company not have directors, management, people who actually make the decisions?



In my opinion, particularly in the 80's and 90's, when you went abroad and said you were from Ireland, 9 times out of 10 the person you were telling would talk about U2. I'm sure U2 (and not bono specifically) are/were responsible for a certain amount of tourism to this country.

Also, the band U2 still pay bucketloads of tax in Ireland. anyways, lets not get into the tax debate again!

My point is, we really have more important things to worry about in Ireland right now. No doubt Cowen and the likes are happy to have us focus our energy on Bono bashing, so long as it stops us being concerned about the real issues!

As I've said the hypocrisy doesn't lie in the fact that the company was moved. He can move all the companies he likes, I'd appreciate it if he wasn't speaking out of both sides of his mouth on his save the whale, ban the bomb, help the african crusade that he's involved in.

People abroad talk about U2. Great. Is this doing something good for the country . Absolutely not. Tourism? Who travels to Ireland to sit outside bonos house all day or whatever it is that all these U2 related tourists do.

People pay tax through necessity. It's not as if they have any choice in the matter. Besides they are probably entitled to more tax breaks than the average joe soap because they are "artists" and I use the term loosely.

We certainly have more important things to worry about.

orourkeda

rubberdiddies wrote: »

surely Bishop tutu wouldnt be singing his praises if he had done nothing for Africa? you really think every time Bono (or any other 'celebrity' for that matter) donates money/time etc to a cause, that they advertise it? I'm sure he and others give more money than you'd like to believe-

Perhaps they do. And lets be honest, Bono isn't the first and won't be the last " celebrity " to donate their precious time and money to a cause.

Banned Account

ejmaztec wrote: »

Link?

You know what? - Good call - actually went looking and details are very sparse indeed. There are a few mwntion of $50,000 to one charity and some other undisclosed sums but nothing concrete.

It seems that the man and the band have policies of not disclosing donations - may be a genuine reason, may be a cynical exercise - i'm certainly not qualified to judge.

I suppose I just assumed really - goes to show actually.

I did, however learn that he has set up a few charities that raise significant funds for causes - should he get credit for doing this or does he need to give his own cash too and, if so, how much ?

Again, just questions for discussion.

starbelgrade

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

4) After saying all of the above, he still donates more to charity than probably all of us put together so are we really in a position to criticise at the end of the day?

There are many people who believe that Bono's efforts for Africa are little more than "Glamour Aid" & have done more harm than good.

Dambisa Moyo has written a very good book on the subject, called "Dead Aid: Why Aid is Not Working and How there is a Better Way for Africa," in which she argues that foreign aid to Africa has done little to help the continent - in fact the more money we give them, the more poverty & starvation there is.

I'm sure Bono has the best of intentions, but I'm also certain that his ego is so f*cking massive, that it is blinding his judgement severely.

Hail 2 Da Thief

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

actually went looking and details are very sparse indeed.It seems that the man and the band have policies of not disclosing donations

Didn't look very hard eh?

Edit: Here's another & another

Absurdum

I'd give his missus one

The_Minister

MidlandsM wrote: »

Feck sake, whats with all the relentless BONO Bashing here in AH...........?

Sexual frustration.

Banned Account

Hail 2 Da Thief wrote: »

Didn't look very hard eh?

excellent - well done to you sir for finding an exhaustive list of all of U2 and Bono's charitable donations.

:rolleyes:

Hail 2 Da Thief

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

excellent - well done to you sir for finding an exhaustive list of all of U2 and Bono's charitable donations.

:rolleyes:

LOL @ "exhaustive list"! The first link was the first result on a google search. :pac:

Saadyst

If U2 made a public announcement every time they made a donation to something, you're guaranteed to have people whinging that they're only doing it for the attention and it's only for publicity.

If they keep it under wraps, people say they haven't done much.

:rolleyes:

They're doing a whole lot more than I am anyway. Besides; it's not their "job" to do it, so I don't get people are giving out about. They weren't elected or hired to do it.

Renn

No, he just tells us what we should be doing.

ejmaztec

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

You know what? - Good call - actually went looking and details are very sparse indeed. There are a few mwntion of $50,000 to one charity and some other undisclosed sums but nothing concrete.

It seems that the man and the band have policies of not disclosing donations - may be a genuine reason, may be a cynical exercise - i'm certainly not qualified to judge.

I suppose I just assumed really - goes to show actually.

I did, however learn that he has set up a few charities that raise significant funds for causes - should he get credit for doing this or does he need to give his own cash too and, if so, how much ?

Again, just questions for discussion.

Maybe he's only donating his gob?:pac: