All Irelands biggest losers and winners

apexguy

Ok Here is the All Ireland combined hurling and football roll of honour along with population per county. From this who do you think are Irelands biggest under and over achievers?

Kerry 37 139835
Cork 36 481295
Killkenny 32 87558
Tipperary 30 149244
Dublin 28 1661185
Galway 13 231670
Wexford 11 131749
Limerick 9 184055
Offaly 7 70868
Meath 7 162831
Cavan 5 64003
Down 5 489588
Kildare 4 186335
Mayo 3 123839
Louth 3 111267
Tyrone 3 158460
Clare 3 110950
Roscommon 2 58768
Waterford 2 107961
Armagh 1 126803
Derry 1 211669
Donegal 1 147264
London 1 na
Laois 1 67059
Fermanagh 0 57527
Monaghan 0 55816
Antrim 0 616384
Leitrim 0 28950
Sligo 0 60894
Carlow 0 50349
Longford 0 34391
Wicklow 0 126194

aDeener

apexguy wrote: »

Ok Here is the All Ireland combined hurling and football roll of honour along with population per county. From this who do you think are Irelands biggest under and over achievers?

Kerry 37 139835
Cork 36 481295
Killkenny 32 87558
Tipperary 30 149244
Dublin 28 1661185
Galway 13 231670
Wexford 11 131749
Limerick 9 184055
Offaly 7 70868
Meath 7 162831
Wexford 6 131749
Cavan 5 64003
Down 5 489588
Kildare 4 186335
Mayo 3 123839
Louth 3 111267
Tyrone 3 158460
Clare 3 110950
Roscommon 2 58768
Waterford 2 107961
Armagh 1 126803
Derry 1 211669
Donegal 1 147264
London 1 na
Laois 1 67059
Fermanagh 0 57527
Monagahan 0 55816
Antrim 0 616384
Leitrim 0 28950
Sligo 0 60894
Carlow 0 50349

hmm judging by their absence from the list altogether i would have to say longford are the biggest losers :pac:

Ian_K

aDeener wrote: »

hmm judging by their absence from the list altogether i would have to say longford are the biggest losers :pac:

And maybe it was a dream but i'm pretty sure i lived in this place called Wicklow too

Ian_K

I see huge flaws with this tbh, such as Antrim having a population of 61,000 but with over half of them being protestant

apexguy

Ha sorry guys I accumulated the winners list and then relied on my Geography. Moral of story my geography is ****

apexguy

Ian_K wrote: »

I see huge flaws with this tbh, such as Antrim having a population of 61,000 but with over half of them being protestant

Agreed but in instances like these we will have to use our common sense

Ian_K

Right purely based on population i'd say it would look like this;

Overachievers:

apexguy wrote: »

Kerry 37 139835
Cork 36 481295
Killkenny 32 87558
Tipperary 30 149244
Galway 13 231670
Wexford 11 131749
Limerick 9 184055
Offaly 7 70868
Cavan 5 64003
Roscommon 2 58768
London 1 na

Underachievers:

apexguy wrote: »

Down 5 489588
Dublin 28 1661185
Sligo 0 60894
Meath 7 162831
Waterford 2 107961
Armagh 1 126803
Derry 1 211669
Donegal 1 147264
Antrim 0 616384
Wicklow 0 126194

About right:

apexguy wrote: »

Laois 1 67059
Fermanagh 0 57527
Monaghan 0 55816
Kildare 4 186335
Mayo 3 123839
Louth 3 111267
Tyrone 3 158460
Clare 3 110950
Leitrim 0 28950
Carlow 0 50349
Longford 0 34391

apexguy

Ian_K wrote: »

Right purely based on population i'd say it would look like this;

Overachievers:


Underachievers:


About right:

Impressive breakdown. I never realised Down had such a big population! Is the breakdown of catholic protestant around 50/50 there or what

Bluetonic

apexguy wrote: »

Ok Here is the All Ireland combined hurling and football roll of honour along with population per county. From this who do you think are Irelands biggest under and over achievers?

What is the relationship between population per country and success?

Why not throw up a % of males who play GAA against population first? Or clubs per county? Or teams per county?

The measurements you're using are nothing short of crazy for research as they prove absolutely nothing.

Hammer Archer

Ian_K wrote: »

Right purely based on population i'd say it would look like this;

Overachievers:


Underachievers:


About right:

So Kildare are just about right yet have 20000 more people and 3 less All Irelands than Meath who in turn are underachievers?
Either way, analyzing All Ireland successes based on population is a bit pointless in my view. The population of "commuter belt" counties has exploded in the last 10-15 years. Also, as someone pointed out, the Northern counties have a large proportion of their population who wouldn't be caught dead on a GAA pitch. There is so so much more behind a counties success than just its population.

Ian_K

Hammer Archer wrote: »

So Kildare are just about right yet have 20000 more people and 3 less All Irelands than Meath who in turn are underachievers?

Ya sorry that doesnt make sense at all in fairness, cut me some slack though i just threw that together in a hurry

Gingy

In fairness, you'd have to say that Kilkenny have done exceptionally well considering their population.

patmac

Westmeath are so bad that it has taken this long to notice they are not on the list.
London are rubbish one All-Ireland 7,599,600 people.
New York are worse no All-irelands 19,490,000 people.

Fermanagh have no population as according to Charlie Mulgrew half the county is lakes and the other half are protestants!

DH2K9

This is such a pointless thread. It doesn't matter what the population of a county is but how many actually play GAA.

c_man

patmac wrote: »

London are rubbish one All-Ireland 7,599,600 people.
New York are worse no All-irelands 19,490,000 people.

biggest under and over achievers?

This can't be measured by county population, especially given the huge changes country wide over the time period!

Qwerty27

When was last tiem Kildare won one of their 4 titles? late 1920s? Not really a great thread tbh, you cant compare like with like!

yahoo_moe

DH2K9 wrote: »

This is such a pointless thread. It doesn't matter what the population of a county is but how many actually play GAA.

I can see where the OP is going with this, in fairness - population changes over time (and the Northern issue, which is the first thing that popped into my head) means there's a whole load of context missing...

... but certainly, you'd have to argue that Dublin haven't made best use of their huge population advantage, especially over the last 30 years or so. Even if the amount of people playing GAA isn't proportionate, you could make the point that the Dublin County Board obviously hasn't sold the games into schools as well as would happen with hurling in KK, say.

But the timescales of AI wins, numbers of clubs, number of club/underage AIs, and a whole load more factors would need to be discussed too.

rebs23

apexguy wrote: »

Dublin 28 1661185

There has been a population explosion in Dublin since the 2006 census, an additional 500,000 people have moved there!;):D

Bill2673

I don't agree with people who say its pointless looking at population size. in general, it does matter hugely in influencing a county's success.

And I do think the All Ireland competitions are very loaded towards the ones with bigger population.

For example Cork played Roscommon earlier this year. Cork's population is nearly ten times that of Roscommon, so really how often should Roscommon be expected to win a game between the two. All other things being equal, then I'd guess 1 or 2 times in every 10

There is an argument for saying that Cavan is one of the biggest overachievers, huge amount of ulsters. Moreover, there are roughly 12 counties with population each below 100,000 that are clearly at a major population disadvantage. Cavan is the only one of these to have a dominant team in football at any one time (i.e. a string of all-Irelands as opposed to just 1 or 2 in a row).

Cuddlytroll

Down population is half a million and Antrim is 61,000? Those figures are way off.

OP I understand you just threw this together but if people are going to discuss this in a serious manner then a LOT more detail is going to have to be put into the figures.

Bill2673

Cuddlytroll wrote: »

Down population is half a million and Antrim is 61,000? Those figures are way off.

OP I understand you just threw this together but if people are going to discuss this in a serious manner then a LOT more detail is going to have to be put into the figures.

Down population is about half a million (489,000)

Antrim population is about 615,000. Another post missed a digit, but if you read the OP's post you will see it records the Antrim population correctly.

Cuddlytroll

Bill2673 wrote: »

Down population is about half a million (489,000)

Antrim population is about 615,000. Another post missed a digit, but if you read the OP's post you will see it records the Antrim population correctly.

Apologies, I took the other poster's quote to be accurate, you're dead right the original post is correct.

apexguy

c_man wrote: »

This can't be measured by county population, especially given the huge changes country wide over the time period!

To be fair I completely agree that the population doesn't tell the full picture. Dublin for example has hundreds of thousands of foreign nationals who dont know what gaa is but I think it is interesting to see how successful some of the smaller counties are and you have to ask the question what are a few of the bigger counties doing wrong.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

apexguy wrote: »

Ok Here is the All Ireland combined hurling and football roll of honour along with population per county. From this who do you think are Irelands biggest under and over achievers?

Kerry 37 139835
Cork 36 481295
Killkenny 32 87558
Tipperary 30 149244
Dublin 28 1661185
Galway 13 231670
Wexford 11 131749
Limerick 9 184055
Offaly 7 70868
Meath 7 162831
Cavan 5 64003
Down 5 489588
Kildare 4 186335
Mayo 3 123839
Louth 3 111267
Tyrone 3 158460
Clare 3 110950
Roscommon 2 58768
Waterford 2 107961
Armagh 1 126803
Derry 1 211669
Donegal 1 147264
London 1 na
Laois 1 67059
Fermanagh 0 57527
Monaghan 0 55816
Antrim 0 616384
Leitrim 0 28950
Sligo 0 60894
Carlow 0 50349
Longford 0 34391
Wicklow 0 126194

Only counting 32 with London - who's left out!? Counted Longford...
Would say (my own) Galway would be the biggest under-achievers. The amount of tight games we've lost is ridiculous. Next would defo be Dublin. Biggest over achievers by a distance are Kerry. They've dominated football for decades now.

patmac

THFC wrote: »

Only counting 32 with London - who's left out!? Counted Longford...
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Westmeath, that's twice I've mentioned them and still the OP hasn't put them in, we do exist you know!

starlit

Glad to see Kerry on top! Not likeing that Cork is just below them. Think Dublin should be after Kerry despite the combination of Hurling and Football Roll of Honour! The rest of them seem ok yet there are a few other counties that could be pushed closer to the top.