Which bathroom do transgendered people use?

Gone West

Outside of the home which bathroom would a transgendered person use?
I am referring specifically to the most common type, to people who were born male but have a gender identity of a female. And who made the switch to female.

I´m posting in AH to see what the masses think, (as opposed to LGBT where the opinion will reflect that subgroup) I´m posting because I wonder if public buildings should have a third bathroom for transgendered? Or is that discrimination. I know that the people themselves, respectfully would of course rather use the bathroom of their non-assigned gender, but what about the rest of you?

Would you be happy if your little sister, mother or grandmother was sharing a bathroom with a transgendered person? Or would it not make a bit of difference?

easyeason3

Disabled toilet?



joking!

phill106

Fuzzy wrote: »

Outside of the home which bathroom would a transgendered person use?
I am referring specifically to the most common type, to people who were born male but have a gender identity of a female. And who made the switch to female.

I´m posting in AH to see what the masses think, (as opposed to LGBT where the opinion will reflect that subgroup) I´m posting because I wonder if public buildings should have a third bathroom for transgendered? Or is that discrimination.

Would you be happy if your little sister, mother or grandmother was sharing a bathroom with a transgendered person? Or would it not make a bit of difference?

Well i am assuming since they believe themselves to be women, look like women (probably) and since womens toilets are all cubicles, they use the womens toilet.
They should sit down to pee though, or else its a dead give away...

Banned Account

Urinal or cubicle - it depends on the bits.

Hasmunch

The door with this sign on it

WindSock

I would say it would be fairly awkward to aim for the urinal with the oul' banana peeled.

Mint Sauce

big can of worms open, mess everywhere.

liah

People are people. If they're actually post-op, psychologically evaluated, have been on hormone treatment for however long, etc, they should go to the bathroom of whatever gender they know themselves to truly be.

If they're pre-op, then they should go to whatever bathroom their current physical genitalia matches.

Really, if they don't have the right bits for the right bathroom it'd make it awkward for them either way and awkward for anyone else in the bathroom, how would a trans woman use a urinal? And wouldn't it look pretty odd for a trans man to go barging into the ladies'?

I don't see why it would be an issue if a post-op used the correct bathroom for their current genitalia. It'd be worse for everyone the other way.

Pherekydes

Why the **** would the "masses" give a ****e?

Ask those people themselves.

Dumb thread is dumb.

petes

Dogs and Bitches or Tarts and Vicars.

Gone West

Pherekydes wrote: »

Why the **** would the "masses" give a ****e?

Ask those people themselves.

Dumb thread is dumb.

Thanks for your invaluable contribution and 4chan meme.
Keep up the good work.

I just wondered what the good folk on AH think of this, I´ve never heard it discussed before. (although for sure it has probably been talked about).

biko

Would be fine for my female relatives to share bathroom.
They could gossip about boys and share mascara.

Pherekydes

Fuzzy wrote: »

I just wondered what the good folk on AH think of this, I´ve never heard it discussed before. (although for sure it has probably been talked about).

Why? Why don't you ask the people themselves in LGBT? That's the only way to find out if you're really that curious. I'm guessing you're not curious in a need-to-know kinda way. More an offensive, provocative, needling kinda way.

Delicate_Dlite

Whichever one they feel comfortable with, it's their choice. And I can't really see how it's anybody else's business.

flash1080

liah wrote: »

People are people. If they're actually post-op, psychologically evaluated, have been on hormone treatment for however long, etc, they should go to the bathroom of whatever gender they know themselves to truly be.

If they're pre-op, then they should go to whatever bathroom their current physical genitalia matches.

Really, if they don't have the right bits for the right bathroom it'd make it awkward for them either way and awkward for anyone else in the bathroom, how would a trans woman use a urinal? And wouldn't it look pretty odd for a trans man to go barging into the ladies'?

I don't see why it would be an issue if a post-op used the correct bathroom for their current genitalia. It'd be worse for everyone the other way.

Don't see the issue with pre-op people using the bathroom of the sex they look like, you're hardly going to peer into the cubicals to have a look at people's genitals in there? :eek:

ANXIOUS

Delicate_Dlite wrote: »

Whichever one they feel comfortable with, it's their choice. And I can't really see how it's anybody else's business.

I dont really agree with this, while i try and see where they are coming from. I can also fully understand that some women would feel uncomfortable if essentially a man was in the womens toilets.

liah

flash1080 wrote: »

Don't see the issue with pre-op people using the bathroom of the sex they look like, you're hardly going to peer into the cubicals to have a look at people's genitals in there? :eek:

No, but if if it was, say, a transwoman walking into a men's, looking completely like a woman in a room full of urinals.. that'd be a bit misplaced, would it not? Not counting nightclubs, anyway, since that's the only place I can think of where it'd be common to see women in the men's. Likewise it would be strange for a transman walking into a women's, looking completely like a man in a room full of girls, don't you think? It's not so much about looking into the cubicles.. it's about looking like the right gender for the right bathroom.

ANXIOUS wrote: »

I dont really agree with this, while i try and see where they are coming from. I can also fully understand that some women would feel uncomfortable if essentially a man was in the womens toilets.

It would be more accurate to write "essentially a woman," considering they would presumably have breasts, a vagina, hormone therapy, some get feminization surgery.. assuming we're talking post-op. More woman than man at that stage I'd say. So no, as a woman I wouldn't feel uncomfortable if what looked, thought and acted exactly like a woman was using the women's.

Delicate_Dlite

ANXIOUS wrote: »

I dont really agree with this, while i try and see where they are coming from. I can also fully understand that some women would feel uncomfortable if essentially a man was in the womens toilets.

To be fair, it's my belief that that would be a rare occurance. I understand that when a Trans is pre-op they must live as a their new gender, while taking hormones etc, yet they still have the genitalia they were born with.
But I'm not positive, can any transgender person let me know?

essentialy a man

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Although, I'm sure many men in AH have met women in the gents if there's a long queue in the ladies. But then again, I don't see the necessity for single gender bathrooms, to begin with, but that a discussion for a different thread. :rolleyes:

flash1080

liah wrote: »

No, but if if it was, say, a transwoman walking into a men's, looking completely like a woman in a room full of urinals.. that'd be a bit misplaced, would it not? Not counting nightclubs, anyway, since that's the only place I can think of where it'd be common to see women in the men's. Likewise it would be strange for a transman walking into a women's, looking completely like a man in a room full of girls, don't you think? It's not so much about looking into the cubicles.. it's about looking like the right gender for the right bathroom.

That's what I said, "Don't see the issue with pre-op people using the bathroom of the sex they look like". They can be pre-op and look like their chosen sex.

dvpower

Fuzzy wrote: »

I´m posting in AH to see what the masses think, (as opposed to LGBT where the opinion will reflect that subgroup) I´m posting because I wonder if public buildings should have a third bathroom for transgendered? Or is that discrimination. I know that the people themselves, respectfully would of course rather use the bathroom of their non-assigned gender, but what about the rest of you?

Are you looking for opinion or knowledge?

liah

flash1080 wrote: »

That's what I said, "Don't see the issue with pre-op people using the bathroom of the sex they look like". They can be pre-op and look like their chosen sex.

If it was visually evident they had undergone hormone therapy and were serious about becoming female, then I still would not have a problem with them in the women's. As far as they're concerned, they're female, and I don't worry about "normal" (whatever that is) women in the women's, so why would I worry about someone who knows themselves to be a woman?

If it was, on the other hand, someone who looked like Russell Crowe in a dress and a wig claiming to be pre-op transgender to get a peek in, well, that'd be a different story altogether.

Which is the bigger threat: a brain or a dick? If the brain's female, then I don't see how the dick comes into it, and the ladies' are cubicles anyway.

karlog

Well its as simple as this.

If you can use a urinal without making a mess use the mens. If not use the womens.

Edit: thats what i do anyway

Jagera

Fuzzy wrote: »

Outside of the home which bathroom would a transgendered person use?

number one or number two ?

Links234

the toilet debate is a pretty big one for trans people right now with the employment non-discrimination act in America, and the way it's being framed that transgender women using the women's bathroom could somehow be a danger to cisgender women.

This is worth a read, and the author makes a very good point here:

This is predicated on the idea that trans women are likely to be sex offenders. This is stigma that gay men are only just starting to emerge from - the idea that somehow being gay makes them likely to be sex offenders (if you doubt this is still an issue, take a look at how the gay adoption debate is often framed, especially in the US). With trans women, this offensive sterotype is still firmly entrenched.

The irony is enough to make one weep - I'm not aware of sexual assault ever being committed in a women's toilet by a trans woman where a cis woman is the victim. Long time readers will, however, be familiar with the case of a trans woman who was sexually assaulted at Pride London 2008, after being made to use the men's toilets by transphobic stewards. I'll also state for the record that I have also been sexually assaulted in a public toilet - in this case it was a woman's toilet and a cis woman apparently felt that grabbing my tits while I was washing my hands was a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

I know the plural of anecdote is not data, but the reality for many trans women in toilets is that we are far, far more likely to be the victim of sexual assault than the perpetrator. We are vulnerable in toilets, especially if we are read as trans - expulsion, humiliation and violence are the least of the expected consequences, but nobody ever seems to talk about how we can be protected from cis people. It's always the other way round.

if anyone expects that trans women should be using the men's room, their head isn't screwed on right at all.

FreudianSlippers

easyeason3 wrote: »

Disabled toilet?



joking!

That's illegal!

orourkeda

whichever one it's easier to clean their beaver in.

MrDarcy

The Shemale bathroom room :D:D

Links234

this is another example of how dangerous bathrooms can be for transgender people.

A transgender student who was slashed at Cal State Long Beach said at a rally Thursday that he was the victim of a hate crime, adding his attacker carved the word "it" on his chest.

Colle Carpenter, a graduate student who was attacked April 15 in a campus bathroom, spoke during a rally and march concerning his attack.

"I've been afraid to come back to campus," he said.

He said his assailant knew his name, pushed him into a bathroom stall and carved the word into his chest with a sharp object.

He said the attacker was trying to make him feel "less than human."