SEC Corrections Next Payment / Next Year info

JD3112

I was just wondering if anyone knows when the balance will be paid from the SEC for corrections during the summer., I can't remember from last year.

Also, I did JC Maths Paper 1 OL the year before and moved up to HL this year. I found the first year relatively straight forward/easy but this year I really struggled.

Maybe it was because I had an extra 100 papers to do in the same time, harder exam, or because I assumed it would be the same as OL.

I am thinking of asking to go back to OL next summer. Is this possible?

Is there much difference between OL and HL in terms of pay? Unless it is a huge difference, I don't fancy doing the HL again.

Cheers

implausible

Tis usually the middle of Sept as far as I remember.

Of course you can move down, just fill on OL on the form. You may be automatically offered HL again this year, just ring them to change it. Go through the literature the SEC gave you - the rates of pay are on it.

gaeilgegrinds1

I moved down this year and still found it tough with all the changes but I really don't think HL is worth it, just my opinion. I did it for years when I was single and on my own but with a family it was near on impossible even to do the OL. Only my opinion of course!

aloofasc

Dear GOD!
Anyone get paid yet for the correcting?? Times are getting bad, cant even remember how much ill get roughly, but anything would do now!

gaeilgegrinds1

Had better be soon!

rainbowtrout

I was at the appeals conference on the 11th and my advising examiner was saying the claims were being processed at the moment. I'd say they are going through them with a fine toothcomb.

The advance payment was delayed this year, usuallly it comes within 3 days of the conference, had the conference on July 6th, got advance July 19th. I do practical assessments in May and usually get paid by the end of June and stretching it the first few days of July. I've always been paid for it before the correction conference starts. This year we got paid on Jul 20th (the joys of online banking!). I'm not expecting this one until October. :mad:

littlebsci

Absolutely disgusted.....just home from school and found a letter from the SEC waiting for me. In it there's a break down of my pay for correcting including tax and pension levy. Now this is where it gets fun.......when my advance payment is deducted from that I OWE them money!!

I've never been so disheartened by working for almost a month. I know my advance was €1200 but it means that for 3 weeks work I've ended up with less than that amount. I know I got a fair bit more than that the last time I corrected 2 years ago.

Will definitely have to think long and hard about doing it again if that's all I'm going to come out with. Grrrrrrr

rainbowtrout

littlebsci wrote: »

Absolutely disgusted.....just home from school and found a letter from the SEC waiting for me. In it there's a break down of my pay for correcting including tax and pension levy. Now this is where it gets fun.......when my advance payment is deducted from that I OWE them money!!

I've never been so disheartened by working for almost a month. I know my advance was €1200 but it means that for 3 weeks work I've ended up with less than that amount. I know I got a fair bit more than that the last time I corrected 2 years ago.

Will definitely have to think long and hard about doing it again if that's all I'm going to come out with. Grrrrrrr

That can't be right. Pension levy isn't deducted from corrections. you have to be earning 18k with SEC before you have to pay pension levy. Did you claim any expenses?

I'm still waiting for mine.

littlebsci

rainbowtrout wrote: »

That can't be right. Pension levy isn't deducted from corrections. you have to be earning 18k with SEC before you have to pay pension levy. Did you claim any expenses?

I'm still waiting for mine.

Yeah, it's the pension levy alright (all €199.06 of it). No income levy was deducted though. I lost €695 in tax and only had €143 in expenses! Sucky!!!!

I know I'm lucky to have been able to earn the money and all that but seriously, for the amount of hassle involved in correcting maths never mind the crappy paper work etc I'm really annoyed to have come out with so little! If I do it again I think I'll be trying to switch to science, not so many issues with blunders, slips and misreadings!!

rainbowtrout

littlebsci wrote: »

Yeah, it's the pension levy alright (all €199.06 of it). No income levy was deducted though. I lost €695 in tax and only had €143 in expenses! Sucky!!!!

I know I'm lucky to have been able to earn the money and all that but seriously, for the amount of hassle involved in correcting maths never mind the crappy paper work etc I'm really annoyed to have come out with so little! If I do it again I think I'll be trying to switch to science, not so many issues with blunders, slips and misreadings!!

:mad::mad::mad:

I've just dug out that paperwork. 'Financial Information for Examinations Contract Staff'

If your main employment is a public service employment then all of your earnings from the SEC, which for the purposes of the PRD* is classed as a subsidiary employment, will have the PRD applied at the top rate of 10.5%

* PRD = Public Service Pension Related Deduction

Cnuts. I'm going to get screwed.

Actually littlebsci, this is going to backfire badly, I assume a lot of teachers are in the same position as you tonight and will not do the work next year if it pays so little and you end up having to pay back some of the advance. They'll probably reduce the amount of the advance next year too.

littlebsci

rainbowtrout wrote: »

:mad::mad::mad:

I've just dug out that paperwork. 'Financial Information for Examinations Contract Staff'

* PRD = Public Service Pension Related Deduction

Cnuts. I'm going to get screwed.

I know!!! How rubbish is that!!! Although I'd be giving out if I'd lost even more of it to the income levy, because they don't deduct it we're now responsible for sorting that out at the end of the year. :mad::mad:

Actually littlebsci, this is going to backfire badly, I assume a lot of teachers are in the same position as you tonight and will not do the work next year if it pays so little and you end up having to pay back some of the advance. They'll probably reduce the amount of the advance next year too.

Poor form of me I know but I hope it does! If people are going to be earning so little from them then the advance amount should be reduced. None of us should find ourselves in a position where we owe our employer for work we did months ago! :mad: At least if you knew you were going to get a smaller advance you could allow for that. Mind you paying the advance within the agreed time scale would be nice of them too!!

rainbowtrout

littlebsci wrote: »

I know!!! How rubbish is that!!! Although I'd be giving out if I'd lost even more of it to the income levy, because they don't deduct it we're now responsible for sorting that out at the end of the year. :mad::mad:



Poor form of me I know but I hope it does! If people are going to be earning so little from them then the advance amount should be reduced. None of us should find ourselves in a position where we owe our employer for work we did months ago! :mad: At least if you knew you were going to get a smaller advance you could allow for that. Mind you paying the advance within the agreed time scale would be nice of them too!!

The pay is poor enough at JC level. If teachers are going to be getting <1000 after all the deductions it won't look as appealing. I started out at OL JC Science 10 years ago and still cleared 1200 after tax even with lower rates, expenses etc back then.

Just talking to another teacher there. Someone she works with has also been paid for correcting maths. Just cleared 150 above the 1200 with all the deductions. Another teacher from her school rang SEC and was told that some correctors may not be paid till november. I hope I'm not in that category.

gaeilgegrinds1

I'm really sorry to hear that, I remember quite a few years ago when I started the same happened me. I didn't have many papers that year as it was just someone not finishing their batch but come September I had to give money back, it's so painful to do it! God I doubt I'll do them again after this year, it was a full 3 weeks of hell with all the recorrections this year!

Inspector Coptoor

I was a "sub" corrector for Biology this year.
there were 25 of us there for the two days of the conference and the other 24 got the papers to bring home.
I was told Id get paid for attending the conference for 2 days and that id get travel expenses and was also guaranteed work correcting OL Biology next year.

Thing is though, I havent got anything from them at all yet.

Time to ring them?

smallgarden

only have one day conference so dont think we get paid for going at all.its not on the breakdown.can you claim back pension related deduction if it is the pension levy?

rainbowtrout

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

I was a "sub" corrector for Biology this year.
there were 25 of us there for the two days of the conference and the other 24 got the papers to bring home.
I was told Id get paid for attending the conference for 2 days and that id get travel expenses and was also guaranteed work correcting OL Biology next year.

Thing is though, I havent got anything from them at all yet.

Time to ring them?

Well hardly anyone has gotten paid yet so I'd say leave it a while, maths was one of the first conferences on so it would have been one of the first finished and processed I'd imagine. Biology was a bit further down the line.

smallgarden wrote: »

only have one day conference so dont think we get paid for going at all.its not on the breakdown.can you claim back pension related deduction if it is the pension levy?

There is a space for an 'Adminstration Fee' on the claim form and then a 'Two Day Conference Fee'. Both are paid at the same rate, so you should get the admin fee anyway.

If you work in any area of the public service you have to pay the pension levy on the exam corrections. It's deducted at a rate of 10.5% (ouch!). If you have overpaid the pension levy because you don't earn enough to put you into the highest levy bracket 60k+ you can claim the difference back from your main employer : Dept of Ed/VEC.

There are a few exceptions where you can claim it back otherwise : not a public service worker/ retired etc.

smallgarden

i only worked 3 hours a week this year so hopefully can claim some of pension levy back,i doubt i should be paying highest rate,il write to vec/dep to see

rainbowtrout

smallgarden wrote: »

i only worked 3 hours a week this year so hopefully can claim some of pension levy back,i doubt i should be paying highest rate,il write to vec/dep to see

Oh ya you would definitely be entitled to claim some of it back. You would only h have to pay at the rate at which you normally pay the levy. Working so few hours you might not have to pay any as there is no levy on the first 15k earned.

gaeilgegrinds1

Ffs...got paid...wait for it...got €1200 last July and on the First of October...€1.76...FML!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

rainbowtrout

gaeilgegrinds1 wrote: »

Ffs...got paid...wait for it...got €1200 last July and on the First of October...€1.76...FML!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

OMG!!!! :eek::eek::eek:

gaeilgegrinds1

Look at least I don't have to give any back like last year. Never again. On my way to the shop now to buy eh...two bars or chocolate with it?!!

rainbowtrout

gaeilgegrinds1 wrote: »

Look at least I don't have to give any back like last year. Never again. On my way to the shop now to buy eh...two bars or chocolate with it?!!

I wonder if they paid us in chocolate would we have to pay the pension levy on it?!

drusk

gaeilgegrinds1 wrote: »

On my way to the shop now to buy eh...two bars or chocolate with it?!!

You were paid €1201.76.

When you received your advance in July, were you still expecting a large amount in September??! Did you not do the maths on it??!

Your posts seem quite absurd to me. Were you not made aware of the amount you would be paid at the start of the process in July? If, as I would assume, you were, then it should have been no surprise that September's payment would be minimal taking into account the advance you got...

There seems to be a lot of bitching and moaning in this thread regarding the amounts paid by the SEC... Did you people not do the maths on payments BEFORE you signed up to correct??! It would seem obvious to me that one would figure out an approximation of projected income from a job BEFORE taking the job on. In other words, if you have a problem with what you have been just paid, then tough crap - you should have figured it out before you agreed to take on the job. Whether you were paid in July or in September is totally beside the point...

rainbowtrout

drusk wrote: »

You were paid €1201.76.

When you received your advance in July, were you still expecting a large amount in September??! Did you not do the maths on it??!

Your posts seem quite absurd to me. Were you not made aware of the amount you would be paid at the start of the process in July? If, as I would assume, you were, then it should have been no surprise that September's payment would be minimal taking into account the advance you got...

There seems to be a lot of bitching and moaning in this thread regarding the amounts paid by the SEC... Did you people not do the maths on payments BEFORE you signed up to correct??! It would seem obvious to me that one would figure out an approximation of projected income from a job BEFORE taking the job on. In other words, if you have a problem with what you have been just paid, then tough crap - you should have figured it out before you agreed to take on the job. Whether you were paid in July or in September is totally beside the point...

No need for the condescending tone, particularly when you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

You have totally missed the point. Pension levy was not taken from SEC work (practicals/examinations) until now. It's now being taken at the highest rate. That's quite a hit on the corrections payment. For me it will work out around €450. That's quite a chunk of money to lose for a hard months work in July.

You don't seem to have much idea of how the system works either. You can't possibly know how much you will get paid because you don't know how many papers you will get to correct, whether or not there will be re-corrections during the process, if you correct through Irish (like me) how many papers will be in Irish and how many in English etc etc etc. So correctors might have a vague notion of what to expect, but no, they do not know the exact figure.

The SEC give a standard €1200 advance in July. You would assume that when a corrector gets that much of an advance that they will not be earning less than that and be in the position that they have to hand money back. Most employers do not work that way. People correct for experience but also because it guarantees a certain level of income from the corrections. That level of income has now been eroded and it may leave some part time teachers who are unemployed in the summer better off signing on than correcting for the month. The SEC may find it difficult to recruit next summer, particularly at JC level where the pay is not great.

Elbert

God Im afraid reading these posts now! I corrected lc ol maths, 350 papers. Had 450 papers last year! Havent got paid yet, except for the advance of €1200. I hope I get something significant cos Im going abroad for midterm and was relying on that money to pay for it! I rang the SEC Wednesday and they said Im in the next batch which will be in two weeks. Fingers (and toes) crossed.
I remmber a few years ago the union had some agreement with the SEC or DES or whoever it was to pay us within a month of our spioc la and they DID! That doesnt happen anymore obviously...

littlebsci

Elbert wrote: »

God Im afraid reading these posts now! I corrected lc ol maths, 350 papers. Had 450 papers last year! Havent got paid yet, except for the advance of €1200.

Ah you should be due to get another bit. I did JC OL Maths with approx the same number of papers and owe them. So seeing as how you get more per paper you'll surely be owed rather than owe!! Hopefully.....:rolleyes:

rainbowtrout

Elbert wrote: »

God Im afraid reading these posts now! I corrected lc ol maths, 350 papers. Had 450 papers last year! Havent got paid yet, except for the advance of €1200. I hope I get something significant cos Im going abroad for midterm and was relying on that money to pay for it! I rang the SEC Wednesday and they said Im in the next batch which will be in two weeks. Fingers (and toes) crossed.
I remmber a few years ago the union had some agreement with the SEC or DES or whoever it was to pay us within a month of our spioc la and they DID! That doesnt happen anymore obviously...

Ya, i got paid the first week of September last year! I'd say they are going through every claim form now with a fine tooth comb to check if anyone is claiming for anything they are not entitled to. Also if any temporary staff have been let go or if there have been any retirements at the SEC, they probably haven't been replaced so it's taking that bit longer to process claims.

Part of me wants to ring the SEC and find out when I'll get paid but another part of me doesn't want to hear November as an answer....

Rapunzels

I'm just waiting on a call back from the SEC to hear what the story is on my pay. This is an outrageous situation, not only is the pay ridiculously reduced but it's seriously late. 5 years doing it, if I owe them back money this year I'll never ever do it again :mad:

gaeilgegrinds1

drusk wrote: »

You were paid €1201.76.

When you received your advance in July, were you still expecting a large amount in September??! Did you not do the maths on it??!

Your posts seem quite absurd to me. Were you not made aware of the amount you would be paid at the start of the process in July? If, as I would assume, you were, then it should have been no surprise that September's payment would be minimal taking into account the advance you got...

There seems to be a lot of bitching and moaning in this thread regarding the amounts paid by the SEC... Did you people not do the maths on payments BEFORE you signed up to correct??! It would seem obvious to me that one would figure out an approximation of projected income from a job BEFORE taking the job on. In other words, if you have a problem with what you have been just paid, then tough crap - you should have figured it out before you agreed to take on the job. Whether you were paid in July or in September is totally beside the point...

I was paid that money for 26 LONG days of work, as in I was up early and bed very late, each paper was corrected twice, most three times. The fee for recorrections was removed and we were never informed. Also, yes I did the maths but we were never told how much extra tax we would pay this year. And whether or not I was paid then or now makes a huge difference to me! Bills don't pay themselves, I can't say wait til I get paid before I pay someone else! As for bitching and moaning, why read this if you know nothing of our situation other than to educate yourself?! You obviously don't know the difference between this and last years pay, it is enormous!

born2bwild

Still haven't been paid...what's going on???? JC ENG HL

rainbowtrout

Got paid at the weekend. HL Ag Science, €491 taken for pension levy. :mad:

Also corrected Ordinary Level, just rang SEC to find out when I'd get paid for that. Turns out my Advising Examiner hasn't sent in the claim forms yet :mad::mad::mad: Same thing happened last year.

spurious

I discovered today I haven't sent in my forms for correcting project work.
It's never more than a couple of hundred anyway. I dread to think what it'll be this year.

loveroflight

spurious

Got paid at the weekend. HL Ag Science, €491 taken for pension levy.

Also corrected Ordinary Level, just rang SEC to find out when I'd get paid for that. Turns out my Advising Examiner hasn't sent in the claim forms yet Same thing happened last year.

Didn't know you could correct both levels? Is this true

rainbowtrout

loveroflight wrote: »

spurious

Got paid at the weekend. HL Ag Science, €491 taken for pension levy.

Also corrected Ordinary Level, just rang SEC to find out when I'd get paid for that. Turns out my Advising Examiner hasn't sent in the claim forms yet Same thing happened last year.

Didn't know you could correct both levels? Is this true

No, it normally doesn't happen but I correct through Irish as well as English so I do the Irish papers (of which there are very few) at both levels and then my main bundle through English is HL only.

Rapunzels

I'm marking for the past 5 years, and normally we get paid in the first week of Sept. I was on to the SEC after being on here, and they said that
A) I haven't been paid yet because they found 10 unmarked scripts in my bag which they had to 'investigate' and this held up my claim being processed
I will get some extra money on top of my advance but they 'haven't worked it out yet'

Is it possible that they allocated scripts to me late, and these never ended up in my bag at all? I checked and my husband (also a teacher) helped me sort the bag at the start and end of the marking process. So I don't see how this could have happened.
Will this mean that I have a black mark on my name now with them? Even though the money is crap, we rely on it every year... I was really upset when the woman on the phone told me that this had been "discovered" - nobody called me or said anything, I don't even know if I would have found out at all if I hadn't rung.

The whole SEC seems so complicated and closed, I don't have a clue where I stand.

As for "haven't worked it out yet", I sent my bag back in July, the Junior Cert results came out 2 months later, and here I am, in October still without a payslip or payment in full.

Seems ridiculous.

rainbowtrout

Rapunzels wrote: »

I'm marking for the past 5 years, and normally we get paid in the first week of Sept. I was on to the SEC after being on here, and they said that
A) I haven't been paid yet because they found 10 unmarked scripts in my bag which they had to 'investigate' and this held up my claim being processed
I will get some extra money on top of my advance but they 'haven't worked it out yet'

Is it possible that they allocated scripts to me late, and these never ended up in my bag at all? I checked and my husband (also a teacher) helped me sort the bag at the start and end of the marking process. So I don't see how this could have happened.
Will this mean that I have a black mark on my name now with them? Even though the money is crap, we rely on it every year... I was really upset when the woman on the phone told me that this had been "discovered" - nobody called me or said anything, I don't even know if I would have found out at all if I hadn't rung.

The whole SEC seems so complicated and closed, I don't have a clue where I stand.

As for "haven't worked it out yet", I sent my bag back in July, the Junior Cert results came out 2 months later, and here I am, in October still without a payslip or payment in full.

Seems ridiculous.

That sounds very strange. You bring the bag home, count the scripts, number them and then start the torture. It would be hard to miss 10 papers like that.

If you are allocated extra scripts they post them to your house.

Rapunzels

rainbowtrout wrote: »

If you are allocated extra scripts they post them to your house.

Yeah, I know this is the protocol, but I'm just wondering if the papers were found in a bag of a marker at another level in the same range of centre numbers as me late into the marking, could the bag be sent back to the SEC and then left there..?
I guess it's possible. Annoying to not know the circumstances etc.

rainbowtrout

Rapunzels wrote: »

Yeah, I know this is the protocol, but I'm just wondering if the papers were found in a bag of a marker at another level in the same range of centre numbers as me late into the marking, could the bag be sent back to the SEC and then left there..?
I guess it's possible. Annoying to not know the circumstances etc.

That would only happen if they were correcting a different subject. If it was the same subject and the centre was outside their range they would just hold onto them and correct them, and even if they were sent back to the SEC, they wouldn't have just been put into your bag. I'd get back onto your advising examiner and/or SEC and see what exactly is going on.

implausible

Rapunzels wrote: »

A) I haven't been paid yet because they found 10 unmarked scripts in my bag which they had to 'investigate' and this held up my claim being processed
I will get some extra money on top of my advance but they 'haven't worked it out yet'

Will this mean that I have a black mark on my name now with them? Even though the money is crap, we rely on it every year... I was really upset when the woman on the phone told me that this had been "discovered" - nobody called me or said anything, I don't even know if I would have found out at all if I hadn't rung.

Typical, they expect you to devote your time to this in a professional way and then don't even have the courtesy to inform you of a problem or ask you to explain:mad:

When they say there were 10 unmarked scripts in your bag, did they mean physically in your bag or meant to be in your group of centres? I'd imagine that they've messed up here. If you've been doing it for 5 years, then you know exactly how to record the numbers that are and aren't there and how to communicate that info to the SEC. My guess is that someone had these papers and either didn't mark them and held onto them or sent them onto the SEC and the SEC lost them or didn't forward them.

Get onto them again to clarify and make sure to keep a record of all correspondence from them in case they try to not pay you. Keep us posted.

Rapunzels

I got back on to the SEC and they said that I'll receive a letter detailing what happened and I'll be given a chance to respond. I don't really like the sound of that... I did get paid though, just last Friday. I didn't owe them back any money (which is why I got in touch with them in the first place).

rainbowtrout

Rapunzels wrote: »

I got back on to the SEC and they said that I'll receive a letter detailing what happened and I'll be given a chance to respond. I don't really like the sound of that... I did get paid though, just last Friday. I didn't owe them back any money (which is why I got in touch with them in the first place).

Keep us posted on what happens.

rehab11

Hi there,

So when did everyone eventually get paid?
I corrected JC HL ENG this year and these posts are making me think I wont get paid until October??? Am I right

rehab11

born2bwild wrote: »

Still haven't been paid...what's going on???? JC ENG HL

When did the payment come through??

Thanks