TV3 to broadcast UTV's Brainbox!

iseegirls

Just seen on the TV guide that TV3 are going to start showing Brainbox from 1am every night from Thursday. I'm assuming that this is the same one that UTV makes.

They're showing it one hour after UTV's starting time. I'd say this is mainly due to keeping complaints down, as there would have been more people on watching after Vincent Browne at 12, than there would be at 1am.

Our man in Havana

Were back! We are going to have to get this closed down also.

jonas7

Nothing that scummy channel does surprises me anymore.

JONJO THE MISER

:eek: Jayus lads just in from the pub there and was wondering what was going on with tv3, ok lads im here and we will get this closed on tv3 as well:p

murpho999

I really can't believe that TV3 have done this, they must be desparate for money.
You'd think they'd have learnt after all the bad publicity they got from Play TV.

Anyhow, only thing is that this show is run to UK rules and puzzles/answers will be less dodgy/obscure that Play TV so can expect less BAI complaints.

As a result of that it's also very boring so I won't be watching it much!

Go Harvey Go

Was flicking through the channels at about half 1 this morning, switched on to TV3 - and COULD NOT BELIEVE IT when I noticed that they were showing Brain Box. (I hadn't seen this forum beforehand.)

They must have decided on this at fairly short notice, seeing as the TV listings for 9th September (plus the early hours of the 10th, of course) in last weekend's Irish Times Magazine have them down as showing The Shield at 1am, followed an hour later by Supernatural.

I agree with murpho that they must be desperate for cash - but I'm afraid to say I don't approve of trying to get Brain Box closed down (yet, anyway).

Indeed, didn't we tend to give it a positive reception when it first aired because it was so much less dodgy than PlayTV? (After all, it isn't run by a bunch of greedy crooks from somewhere in Eastern Europe - it's run by the same people behind the now-erstwhile Quiz Call on Channel 5.) Around a year later, and the games on it haven't really changed.

Plus it's still got good old Carmel.

Killing it probably wouldn't be quite as easy as it was with PlayTV, anyway - especially since it's also recently started broadcasting in Scotland, on STV.

Elmo

I thought UTV produced this show????

Is it surprising that TV3 didn't announce this show in the press?

Onthe3rdDay

This show is above board, Answers are given at the end of the night. You'd still be foolish to enter. Anyone that does enter does so after loads of warning about these shows in the past.

The only way this one will close down is if people stop calling. They're sticking to the rules.

Our man in Havana

They're sticking to the rules.

In your opinion. We will still continue to monitor it for dodgy answers or other chicanery.

billy the squid

will be recording and keeping an eye on it. be sure to post any items that require youtubing./

Onthe3rdDay

Haddockman wrote: »

In your opinion. We will still continue to monitor it for dodgy answers or other chicanery.

and in the opinion of the now far stricter authorities in the UK

BMollie

Can't believe TV3 have Brainbox. Wonder what they are getting for renting the airtime - Agree with post above that the time it's on now is very handy not coming on straight after Vincent Browne. Think we should keep an eye on it...although their puzzles are very straightforward.

Maybe they can give some nixers to the unemployed Irish from Hungary. Did hear a familiar voice Joan from Dublin..won 90e but probably spent that much ringing in. :eek:

thesandeman

Just got told about this thread. Gonna have to 'thread surf' between the three for the next few nights lol.

Elmo

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

This show is above board, Answers are given at the end of the night. You'd still be foolish to enter. Anyone that does enter does so after loads of warning about these shows in the past.

The only way this one will close down is if people stop calling. They're sticking to the rules.

Just because you stick to the rule doesn't mean you are in the right. I personally don't think these types of shows should be allowed. I will agree that the show is far more above board than Play TV. I think the rules should change not to allow such programming.

Onthe3rdDay

Elmo wrote: »

Just because you stick to the rule doesn't mean you are in the right. I personally don't think these types of shows should be allowed. I will agree that the show is far more above board than Play TV. I think the rules should change not to allow such programming.

Elmo, they are in the right, they're abiding by the rules set down, neither you or I might agree with it but that's the way it is at the moment. If you feel that strongly get on to your local politician and get the laws changed.

However, If you're to ban this you should also ban the likes of Mooney's money on Radio one or any of the quizzes on The Late Late Show. They take advantage of many of the same people that enter Play TV.

Our man in Havana

Have you a vested interest in this? Are you an employee of any of the firms involved?

Onthe3rdDay

Haddockman wrote: »

Have you a vested interest in this? Are you an employee of any of the firms involved?

If that question is aimed at me, No I don't have any interest in any of the firms involved. I do feel that we have double standards in this country, we say one thing and then do another. Those that ring the now departed Play TV and Brain Box on a compulsive basis will also ring the Competition lines on the Late Late Show or Mooney's money just as often.

They have thousands of entries to a competition that's basically a Lottery. Why can't RTE run their competitions on a lo-call number or as in the old days with a postcard.

While Play TV could not be defended in any way, Brain Box sticks by the rules laid down. If they make money they'll stay on the air.

The only reason Play TV went off is because people stopped calling in. You can be sure it would still be on if it had continued to earn revenue.

So the real key to stopping these shows is to stop people calling in. However, the greedy, drunk or foolish tend not to listen.

thesandeman

The difference between the RTE comps and these is that you pay your euro to enter for RTE but you pay your 1.50 for A CHANCE to enter the TV3 comps. Im reserving judgement on Brainbox cos last night was first time Ive seen it but Ill see more later. Totally off topic but Jimmy McGee has just made a classic comment during the boxing on RTE: 'the belt is supposed to be worn to protect his privates but this is the first time Ive seen anyone with privates that high up' AND 'Its nearly a scarf at this stage' :-D :-D

Our man in Havana

The difference between the RTE comps and these is that you pay your euro to enter for RTE but you pay your 1.50 for A CHANCE to enter the TV3 comps

This was identified by the BAI in many adjudications against Play TV. Also it is a lottery which is not allowed under Irish law.

I am still puzzled as to what exactly TV3 are getting out of this.

thesandeman

I guess they are getting a cut from the calls. They said it brought them much needed revenue during the Playtv times iirc.

Onthe3rdDay

Haddockman wrote: »

This was identified by the BAI in many adjudications against Play TV. Also it is a lottery which is not allowed under Irish law.

I am still puzzled as to what exactly TV3 are getting out of this.

I understand that you're entering a competition with RTE, but it is basically a lottery. The question that's asked makes it a game of skill, the questions aren't exactly hard. You also don't know how many more are entering against you. it could be 2 or 2 million. If you remember Gay Byrne used to state how many postcards had been sent in most weeks.

Normally a revenue share is the way that these things work, but it's also possible that UTV interactive are buying the airtime straight from TV3.

Our man in Havana

but it's also possible that UTV interactive are buying the airtime straight from TV3.

That is probably the arrangement as UTV had always taken calls from the south.

thesandeman

I see TV3 actually announced it as a programme tonight, something they never did with Playtv. They must be more sure about the legalities of this one.

amacachi

Very challenging puzzles.

thesandeman

He is having big problems with the accents and the pound/euro conversion :$

Our man in Havana

thesandeman wrote: »

I see TV3 actually announced it as a programme tonight, something they never did with Playtv. They must be more sure about the legalities of this one.

I suspect that UTV has simply purchased the airtime.

Elmo

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

If that question is aimed at me, No I don't have any interest in any of the firms involved. I do feel that we have double standards in this country, we say one thing and then do another. Those that ring the now departed Play TV and Brain Box on a compulsive basis will also ring the Competition lines on the Late Late Show or Mooney's money just as often.

They have thousands of entries to a competition that's basically a Lottery. Why can't RTE run their competitions on a lo-call number or as in the old days with a postcard.

While Play TV could not be defended in any way, Brain Box sticks by the rules laid down. If they make money they'll stay on the air.

The only reason Play TV went off is because people stopped calling in. You can be sure it would still be on if it had continued to earn revenue.

So the real key to stopping these shows is to stop people calling in. However, the greedy, drunk or foolish tend not to listen.

TV3 run similar competitions across their programmes such as Ireland AM, Xposé etc. As do many of the other broadcasters in the country. The BAI clearly pointed out that the difference between Play TV and competitions that run on Ireland AM The Late Late Show whichh are: - phone lines close at a certain time, a draw takes place that includes all entries to the show and a prize is give out. I don't see how you can suggest their is a double standard? A post card cost 55c to post.

The CEO of TV3 has already stated that Play TV was axed due to the bad publicity and the regulators handling of the show. While he has not directly said it has nothing to do with falling revenues, I do not believe that people stopped watching or stopped phoning in.

Onthe3rdDay

Elmo wrote: »

TV3 run similar competitions across their programmes such as Ireland AM, Xposé etc. As do many of the other broadcasters in the country. The BAI clearly pointed out that the difference between Play TV and competitions that run on Ireland AM The Late Late Show whichh are: - phone lines close at a certain time, a draw takes place that includes all entries to the show and a prize is give out. I don't see how you can suggest their is a double standard? A post card cost 55c to post.

The CEO of TV3 has already stated that Play TV was axed due to the bad publicity and the regulators handling of the show. While he has not directly said it has nothing to do with falling revenues, I do not believe that people stopped watching or stopped phoning in.

I'm not here to defend TV3 as I'd probably lose the argument. Yes they also run the competitions on Ireland AM etc, but the main purpose of TV3 is to turn a profit. It's a double standard because you can enter Mooney's money and The late late show competition as often as you want. If you've a compulsive problem these competitions are just as tempting. Plus you don't know how many are entering these phone competitions.

All I'm saying is that if you want to get rid of Brain Box you should get rid of the other competitions as well. the same people are affected. I personally don't mind any of them but I don't enter any of them.

I'm fairly certain that if Play TV was making good money for TV3 they'd keep it on the air, no matter what reason is given. The only way people power works with in this situation is when people stop ringing. Cash is king unfortunately.

Our man in Havana

What finished Play TV was the mounting complaints being upheld by the regulator and the introduction of legislation to control them.

Onthe3rdDay

And a few months later you have a replacement which basically lands everyone back to step one (But with better production values!) So basically those that fought this type of show won the battle but probably have lost the war.

Elmo

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

I'm not here to defend TV3 as I'd probably lose the argument. Yes they also run the competitions on Ireland AM etc, but the main purpose of TV3 is to turn a profit. It's a double standard because you can enter Mooney's money and The late late show competition as often as you want. If you've a compulsive problem these competitions are just as tempting. Plus you don't know how many are entering these phone competitions.

There isn't a double standard when TV3, RTÉ, Communicorp, UTV Radio and other Indo Radio all provide phone in competitions and none of those competitions ever had any complaints weather on RTÉ or not. If it was a case that RTÉ had a similar infomercial to TV3's Play TV just as many people (hopefully more) would have complained about such an infomercial.

I'm fairly certain that if Play TV was making good money for TV3 they'd keep it on the air, no matter what reason is given. The only way people power works with in this situation is when people stop ringing. Cash is king unfortunately.

I am fairly certain that David McRedmond said in the Irish Times

"“I make no apologies around it, but there were things that should have been done better"

So why axe it?

“Because it was coming under fire from the regulator and there was a lot of negative press, and viewing was falling off as a result. It wasn’t worth it."

He also said in Hot Press he would have no problem bring back a similar style show. Why does he think so soon after Play TV the audience will pick up? I haven't seen audience figures but I don't think they would prove that TV auidence fell, how did actual TV do when Play wasn't on the air in comparison?

All I'm saying is that if you want to get rid of Brain Box you should get rid of the other competitions as well. the same people are affected. I personally don't mind any of them but I don't enter any of them.

I disagree with this entirely. The competitions that as you pointed out run on RTÉ (yet your double standard of not mention similar competitions on Private TV and Radio) clearly set out the rules on the TV/Radio shows that they are part of, unlike PlayTV which was according to the BAI “misleading and unfair”.

Again BrainBox has always seemed a bit more above board, as much as this type of TV can seem above board, than Play TV. My issue is that it isn't quality TV and I have an issue with this type of programming on a National TV services such as TV3, UTV and STV.

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

And a few months later you have a replacement which basically lands everyone back to step one (But with better production values!) So basically those that fought this type of show won the battle but probably have lost the war.

I think Brainbox looks far cheaper looking than PlayTV. The only real difference seems to be the very very simple puzzles that they play for how many minutes to clock up how many phone calls?

Onthe3rdDay

Elmo wrote: »

I disagree with this entirely. The competitions that as you pointed out run on RTÉ (yet your double standard of not mention similar competitions on Private TV and Radio) .

You're correct I should have mentioned TV3's competitions. However, I have nothing to do with them as such, on the other hand I do have an interest in RTE as I have to pay A licence fee.

As for TV3 Comments, You’re in trouble if you believe everything you read in any of our papers. Be it broadcasters, politicians or others, we’re told what we want to hear and a lot of the time the opposite is done.
Look, I tend to agree with most of what people have said in this thread and others like it. However, I’ve lost faith with this country in general. There are too many vested interests all making some money from various dealings that are just above board.

From late night so called quiz shows, to banks causing us all types of problems. Phone companies that won’t stop you receiving those annoying 2 euro texts because they’re getting 50% of the charge.

Pat Kenny complaining that 600,000 is peanuts when people around the country are thinking the worst when they look at their finances.

I wish any efforts to stop this show the best of luck, but frankly the rules are explained in detail this time around. If someone is daft enough to ring, so be it.

Elmo

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

You're correct I should have mentioned TV3's competitions. However, I have nothing to do with them as such, on the other hand I do have an interest in RTE as I have to pay A licence fee.

I really feel that this is the wrong approach to take to any Independent Broadcaster in Ireland. It doesn't improve those media organisations to allow them just do things because they can simple get away with robbing people. (I.e. the same approach we took towards the banks).

I agree with you in relation to PK he was foolish to say what he said. I think that people think that because the private sector is the private sector we should not complain, that generally doesn't work. I agree that their are too many vested interests. And no I don't believe anything I read in the newspapers I have looked at the broadcasting sector too much to realize the Double Standards that they have against RTÉ and the numerous press release from TV3 printed in the Herald and Independent newspapers.

Oh and Hopefully TV3 won't be NAMAed over the coming months because it owes allot of money to a capitalized bank.

BMollie

See tonight they are posting amount of callers they are having....42 in past minute, approx. 5 mins into show!

gone down to 12 now, as bad as last few weeks of PlayTV - maybe people are copping on!

thesandeman

They also have 'commercial communication' in the corner. That wasnt there the last couple of nights.

Go Harvey Go

Now that TV3 have stopped showing Brain Box, might it be a good idea to close this thread?

Elmo

Go Harvey Go wrote: »

Now that TV3 have stopped showing Brain Box, might it be a good idea to close this thread?

If we do that they could bring it back.

thesandeman

Go Harvey Go wrote: »

Now that TV3 have stopped showing Brain Box, might it be a good idea to close this thread?

It was pretty much closed for a month till you just resurrected it again.

BMollie

I think we did frighten TV3 with this forum. They are probably making more money from Thane teleshopping! It would be a good idea to keep this link open.

Go Harvey Go

thesandeman wrote: »

It was pretty much closed for a month till you just resurrected it again.

I meant closing this thread as in locking it - you know, making further posting on it impossible.

I guess it isn't all that good an idea, though, going by the responses.

In that case, should the thread be renamed?