Juno

Shane10

watched this on RTE2 last night and it was brilliant...ellen page is really really good in this. have to admit i heard about her but never seen her in anything. michael cera is always funny as the awkward type. give me this type of movie over some silly "unreal" action movie anyday pleasee. just a great movie.

krudler

Awful awful film, Juno herself is one of the most unlikeable characters I've ever seen in a film, the oscar winning script sounds like it was written by Ned Flanders, who outside of a US indie comedy talks like that? Kooky teen gets up the diddly duff and is surrounded by characters that can only exist in a kooky comedy, ugh.

monkeyfudge

I think once you switch your brain off and realise that this is clearly not set in the real world then it's quite an enjoyable film.

pels

Check out "Candy", one of my favorite movies with Ellen Page.

Misticles

Good film
The fact she's out there and dosn't give a crap is the bit I love

Also the song... you're a part time lover, a full time friend...

Shane10

well i liked it and the music in it:p

bnt

I didn't mind Juno herself, and Alison Janney (Bren the stepmother) is always worth watching, but that soundtrack drove me round the freaking bend. The only song I didn't hate was the one they were playing on guitar in the last scene.

phasers

My God, that film is just terrible.

It's so try hard, like an old person who wears skinny jeans and slogan tshirts.

Mickeroo

pels wrote: »

Check out "Candy", one of my favorite movies with Ellen Page.

You mean "Hard Candy" ?


Whats with all the Juno hate, great movie. Very few movies have "real world dialogue" anyway, I talk like that all the time :P

liah

I don't get why you people are calling it awful. It may not be a masterpiece but it's hardly terrible. I mean, give it at least a little credit.. it's better than a lot of comedies coming out lately.

As long as you're not expecting a masterpiece it's an enjoyable enough film I guess. Not "terrible" by any means, just simply not brilliant.

monkeyfudge

Belle and Sebastian are one of my favourite bands... so any soundtrack featuring their stuff isn't bad at all.

phasers

liah wrote: »

I don't get why you people are calling it awful. It may not be a masterpiece but it's hardly terrible. I mean, give it at least a little credit.. it's better than a lot of comedies coming out lately.

As long as you're not expecting a masterpiece it's an enjoyable enough film I guess. Not "terrible" by any means, just simply not brilliant.

That's your opinion.

I thought it was terrible.

pels

Mickeroo wrote: »

You mean "Hard Candy" ?

I sure do!

stbrennan

Michael Cera was good playing the "akward teenager"...

but its juust dried up now. I don't find him funny anymore. He needs to grow some facial hair and do more adult roles.
Look at Jonah Hill. He was stuck playing teenage roles and then he grew a beard. Knocked up, Funny People, Get him to the greek. Support, support, lead.
Its not coincidental that he just "Happened" to grow a beard at the same time.

Christopher minz also...
Hasn't grown any facial hair yet.
Superbad...................Kickass...
Once again because hes a one character kind of guy. The nerdy sexually obsessive teen. Like Michael Cera but a more specific character is needed for him to play.

Ellen Page.....BOOM!! A very good actress. She recieves a lot of negative views for reasons I don't know. Clearly she must be good if she can land a role in one of the most anticipated films of the year.
Awards will defintly be coming her way next year.

Magic Eight Ball

I've yet to see this film but from what I can gather I lot of people hold a lot of hatred towards it and Ellen Page.

Is there any substantial reason for this outside of unrealistic dialogue? (which 90% of films are guilty of)

I've only ever seen Page in 'Hard Candy' and 'Inception' and really enjoyed both.

liah

phasers wrote: »

That's your opinion.

I thought it was terrible.

So you'd put Juno in the same league, as, say... oh, I don't know.. Epic Movie? Freddie Got Fingered? The Room (an objectively terrible film, but subjectively hilarious)?

Just because it doesn't suit your sense of humour doesn't make it terrible.. Objectively it's an alright film, it's filmed decently, acted decently, written decently-- the lingo may be irritating, but that's just the style. There's nothing in it to qualify it as truly terrible, just seems like people like to hate stuff for the sake of hating something, which I never really got.

My feeling towards the film is decidedly meh. I don't give a crap about it either way. It doesn't massively appeal to me so I don't watch it.. but why call it awful just because I don't like it?

clived2

liah wrote: »

So you'd put Juno in the same league, as, say... oh, I don't know.. Epic Movie? Freddie Got Fingered? The Room (an objectively terrible film, but subjectively hilarious)?

Just because it doesn't suit your sense of humour doesn't make it terrible.. Objectively it's an alright film, it's filmed decently, acted decently, written decently-- the lingo may be irritating, but that's just the style. There's nothing in it to qualify it as truly terrible, just seems like people like to hate stuff for the sake of hating something, which I never really got.

My feeling towards the film is decidedly meh. I don't give a crap about it either way. It doesn't massively appeal to me so I don't watch it.. but why call it awful just because I don't like it?

Leave freddie got fingered out of it, that film wasnt no epic movie etc,

For the record, I think
Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist was the best type of movie I seen with similar actors, storyline,
and really good music

phasers

liah wrote: »

So you'd put Juno in the same league, as, say... oh, I don't know.. Epic Movie? Freddie Got Fingered? The Room (an objectively terrible film, but subjectively hilarious)?

Yep, I think Juno is as bad as those films, it just veils its awfulness by calling itself "indie"

I think it's badly written and the acting it poor. The actual film is just lazy as well, throwing lolrandum things into a scene does not make a good movie.

But hey, that's just my opinion. Other people like it and that's fine too, but I can slate it if I like.

R P McMurphy

I liked it, it kind of reminded me of the kids of degrassi street

krudler

phasers wrote: »

Yep, I think Juno is as bad as those films, it just veils its awfulness by calling itself "indie"

I think it's badly written and the acting it poor. The actual film is just lazy as well, throwing lolrandum things into a scene does not make a good movie.

But hey, that's just my opinion. Other people like it and that's fine too, but I can slate it if I like.

Yup, it gets away with being terrible because its all quirky and indie and cool, even though it isnt because its trying too hard. Stuff like Adventureland or Nick and Noras Infinite Playlist got it right.

Shane10

where was the unrealistic dialogue in it?? for me Ellen Page was just so natural in it, almost like she wasnt acting if you know what i mean?!!

Mickeroo

phasers wrote: »

Yep, I think Juno is as bad as those films, it just veils its awfulness by calling itself "indie"

I think it's badly written and the acting it poor. The actual film is just lazy as well, throwing lolrandum things into a scene does not make a good movie.

But hey, that's just my opinion. Other people like it and that's fine too, but I can slate it if I like.

You're entitled to your opinion, but comparing Juno to those films makes it hard to take you seriously.

Liah's right, it's well acted,filmed etc. I could start a thread saying how much I disliked Apocalypse Now or The Godfather Pt 2 and I'd be perfctly entitled to, but if I started a thread saying they're ****e I'd be just plain wrong.

Juno is not a masterpiece and nowhere near as good as the movie's I said there but it doesn't deserve to be even mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Epic Movie.

Mickeroo

krudler wrote: »

Yup, it gets away with being terrible because its all quirky and indie and cool, even though it isnt because its trying too hard. Stuff like Adventureland or Nick and Noras Infinite Playlist got it right.

You're right about Adventureland,great film......but Nick and Norah's....really? It was grand like....but really??

Mr. Presentable

I saw it in the cinema when it came out. Didn't like it. The dialogue is stilted and unconvincing. But I watched some again last night because, well I'd tap Ellen Page!, and it's still poor.

The soundtrack was OK.

To summarise:
I'd ride Ellen Page, but I don't want to watch her in drivel like Juno.

phasers

Mickeroo wrote: »

You're entitled to your opinion, but comparing Juno to those films makes it hard to take you seriously.

Liah's right, it's well acted,filmed etc. I could start a thread saying how much I disliked Apocalypse Now or The Godfather Pt 2 and I'd be perfctly entitled to, but if I started a thread saying they're ****e I'd be just plain wrong.

Juno is not a masterpiece and nowhere near as good as the movie's I said there but it doesn't deserve to be even mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Epic Movie.

So I think Juno is crap, what's your big problem? I never mentioned those other films, someone else brought those up.

I'd say they're as bad as each other, just in different ways. The way the film tries so hard to be cool is really pathetic to me, to the point of being almost unwatchable. In fact, I'd almost rather watch a "____ movie" type of film, because at least it doesn't claim to be something it isn't.

I'll say this one more time, so maybe you'll see it:

in my opinion, Juno is a bad film. You don't agree, fine. But you're not going to change my mind by disrespecting me.

Mickeroo

phasers wrote: »

So I think Juno is crap, what's your big problem? I never mentioned those other films, someone else brought those up.

I'd say they're as bad as each other, just in different ways. The way the film tries so hard to be cool is really pathetic to me, to the point of being almost unwatchable. In fact, I'd almost rather watch a "____ movie" type of film, because at least it doesn't claim to be something it isn't.

I'll say this one more time, so maybe you'll see it:

in my opinion, Juno is a bad film. You don't agree, fine. But you're not going to change my mind by disrespecting me.

Fair enough, no disrespect meant, but I don't see how it's trying to be something it isn't? A light comedy with some real world issues thrown into it and nothing more surely?

liah

I just think it's a little unrealistic to HONESTLY believe Juno is as bad as some of the other crap I mentioned. I really do. I can understand hating it for personal reasons, there's plenty of films I really don't like because there's something in it I just plain can't get behind. But like... Juno just isn't THAT bad, from any real critical or otherwise objective perspective other than the over-use of "indie" slang.

The Room = I like, but it's awful-- horrible directing, acting, script, storyline, sets, costuming, makeup, just everything about it is objectively terrible. But I still like it, because it's at least entertaining. I'll freely admit it's terrible.

Juno = I really don't have feelings about at all, but as I said, objectively, it's shot to today's standards, the writing is average, the acting is at least average, the storyline's at least somewhat unusual and not wholly retarded or unbelievable, costuming and makeup is fine, set design is fine. It's not good, but it most certainly isn't bad.

I don't think saying that is in any way being disrespectful, either? So I'm not sure where that's coming from.

johnny_ultimate

As soon as I saw this thread, I worried: Juno is one of the most divisive films around. I don't necessarily want to use the word 'backlash', but there a few films where I've seen such straight up hatred directed at it following the critical and commercial success.

I do like it, although cautiously so. Like others have mentioned, you can't take this as a realistic look on teenage life or pregnancy: it's a hyper stylised take on the themes. It tries way too hard to be quirky on occasion - I will direct my ire towards the hamburger phone in particular, which has rightly been singled out as particularly worthy of mocking. However, as said, there are things to like. The soundtrack is fantastic, very twee and indie but they aren't necessarily bad things when the likes of Belle & Sebastian are involved. Reitman's direction is fun, loads of nice visual flourishes like the season changes or the repeated image of the running team. And, despite her penchant for made up slang like 'honest to blog', Cody's script has some well drawn characters such as Jason Bateman / Jennifer Garner's couple and Juno herself. The Page / Cera relationship is one I also found more engaging than the vast majority of teen romances. It's a feelgood film that has little grounding in reality. If it wasn't for Cody being quirky, then this would be very special. As is, it's simply good.

IMO not always deserving of the vitriol directed at it. Only when the hamburger phone is pulled out do I want to hurl something at the screen

-Trek-

I liked it, thought it was watch-able and I liked Juno's character. It wasn't an epic film by any means but to be fair there is a lot worse out there.

Shane10

i started this cause i saw it last night, im not a film buff atal, i just watch a film and if i like it i like it, i dont over analyse it. i just liked it..:rolleyes:

JohnK

pels wrote: »

Check out "Candy", one of my favorite movies with Ellen Page.

I dont want to go off topic but while the premise of Hard Candy was great they completely ****ed it up in the execution which I thought was a real shame.


But to get back on topic - I have to say Juno just doesnt do it for me. Admittedly I was only half watching it last night but it just never grabbed my attention.

Richard Dower

Overrated.

Theboinkmaster

stbrennan wrote: »

Michael Cera was good playing the "akward teenager"...

but its juust dried up now. I don't find him funny anymore. He needs to grow some facial hair and do more adult roles.
Look at Jonah Hill. He was stuck playing teenage roles and then he grew a beard. Knocked up, Funny People, Get him to the greek. Support, support, lead.
Its not coincidental that he just "Happened" to grow a beard at the same time.

Christopher minz also...
Hasn't grown any facial hair yet.
Superbad...................Kickass...
Once again because hes a one character kind of guy. The nerdy sexually obsessive teen. Like Michael Cera but a more specific character is needed for him to play.

Ellen Page.....BOOM!! A very good actress. She recieves a lot of negative views for reasons I don't know. Clearly she must be good if she can land a role in one of the most anticipated films of the year.
Awards will defintly be coming her way next year.

I agree on cera and minz - they were good in their breakout roles (and arrested development obviously) but they just play the same characters over and over now and i find they actually put me off films now, i can't stand them.

Just like Shia leBouf or whatever his name is - terrible terrible 'actor' and very annoying

Theboinkmaster

Richard Dower wrote: »

Overrated.

I agree, don't know what all the fuss was about. think it was just marketed well by the studio (didn't some former prostiture or something write the script?).

Nobody will remember it in 10years time.

edit - sorry stripper not prostitute

Richard Dower

Another Juno-esque movie..."Greta" with Hillary Duff, but without the preggo aspect.

Richard Dower

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I agree, don't know what all the fuss was about. think it was just marketed well by the studio (didn't some former prostiture or something write the script?).

Nobody will remember it in 10years time.

She's wasn't a prozzie....she went undercover for months working as a pole dancer, she writes and created United States Of Tara....and appeared in an ep. of 90210 :eek:

Mickeroo

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I agree on cera and minz - they were good in their breakout roles (and arrested development obviously) but they just play the same characters over and over now and i find they actually put me off films now, i can't stand them.

Just like Shia leBouf or whatever his name is - terrible terrible 'actor' and very annoying

Minz will always be McLovin no doubt.

It's true that Cera has a habit of playing more or less the same character, although Scott Pilgrim and Youth in Revolt he branched out slightly(very slightly) I thought. I think he's a really good comedy actor though, his timing is always great, would love to see him try something that wasn't a romantic comedy of some sort though. There's plenty of great actors who always seemingly play similar characters or play temselves to an extent, most notabley Jack Nicholson(apart from About Schmidt maybe), and I think the same could be said of the likes of DeNiro and Pacino to some extent, so it's not always necessarily a bad thing although I guess those guys earned the right more so than Cera :P

Shane10

i think cera is good enough to pull off other roles, hes a good actor. the type of character hes doing now hes brilliant at so why not. hes likable aswell so that helps IMO.

J.S. Pill

krudler wrote: »

Awful awful film, Juno herself is one of the most unlikeable characters I've ever seen in a film, the oscar winning script sounds like it was written by Ned Flanders, who outside of a US indie comedy talks like that? Kooky teen gets up the diddly duff and is surrounded by characters that can only exist in a kooky comedy, ugh.

I was going to offer my own opinion on the film but I don't think I can top that - spot on

amacachi

Can't find a more recent thread about this film but I'm half an hour in and really, really struggling to get any further.

"Dude", "friggin" and almost 2 and a Half Men levels of a kid taking things up the wrong way when asked a question.

ReacherCreature

Ah I like Juno. Page is fun in it, I adore her. I cannot however, warm to Cera. I don't get the hype. His doe-eyed vacant stare doesn't do a whole lot. He has the same role in nearly everything he does I feel.

Warper

Way overrated movie - pretty poor really

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Handsome Bob

Likeable film, but in no way realistic. Does anyone know a teenager like Juno? Take it from me, they are in no way that witty! :pac::pac::pac:

Sagat06

ha yeah its like when you think of a great comeback but too late. Juno is a like a 30 year old writing a film about themselves when they were 17 and how they would have answered!!

I like the movie, nothin special but a nice watch!