ebay converse

R.M.

hi everyone

I've never bought anything on the internet before cos i'm not too sure about it. i was looking on ebay and i have seen loads and loads of converse runners from ireland and china for around 20 euro or less and the cost about 55 here. Are they probably fake and is there a way of knowing?? also if buying them is a good idea, would Ireland or China be more relyable?? I have no idea about this kind of stuff!! thanks.

rubadub

Probably fakes at that price. Converse are a very simple design, you get the shoe ones for €6 in dunnes, very expensive for such a basic shoe/runner.

I would stick with proper respectable retailers (not to say all on ebay are bad, somebody might know a legit one)

Somebody recommended schuh.ie before, you can order online and collect in stores if you want. Interestingly somebody said they were able to order and pay online using http://www.schuh.co.uk/mens/converse and then ask to collect in a store in dublin (to avoid P&P, also I expect you could try them on and refuse them if they do not fit). The sterling prices are lower, I am not sure if the collect in dublin thing will work but you could try.

some more threads here
http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en#q=%2B%22bargain+alerts%22+%2Brequests+%2Bconverse+site:boards.ie&hl=en&complete=1&ei=qAmFTPmmF47KjAeY6ZSQCA&start=0&sa=N&fp=85ff0c5dfb3f6c41

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At €20, defnitely fakes. (don't forget to add duty, vat & delivery to these prices!!) Converse are owned by NIKE and whilst cheap enough to make, they'll be far superior in quality than chain store versions.

Keep an eye out at this time of year for sales on them - some retailers will want to clear out stock for winter at €30 - €40. - Office / Schuh are 2 places that stock a good range of them.


Useless info - Back in 1989 the retail price was £32.95 (about €41). (yep, I was the Converse rep back then!!:D)

allthedoyles

Fake may not be the correct word - The Chinese describe them as ' replica and similar in quality to the original '

We have bought goods in China and find quality variable - some good stuff and some bad quality .

Check the material used to make genuine converse and the material used to make the similar one in China.

Just because you buy in a reputable store in Ireland dos'ent mean that their 'genuine' footwear is not made in China .

rubadub

allthedoyles wrote: »

Fake may not be the correct word - The Chinese describe them as ' replica and similar in quality to the original '

You can call them whatever you want "geuine fake!" replicas etc, fact is if they are passing themselves off as converse they can be seized. I use mine while lifting weights, they are cheap dunnes knockoffs and I call them fake converse -BUT there is no attempt at copying the logo or anything.

If they do have logos etc customs can sieze them

http://www.revenue.ie/en/customs/leaflets/counterfeit-pirated-goods.html

Counterfeit and Pirated Goods

Council Regulation (EU) No 1383/2003 (PDF) External link and Commission Regulation (EU) No 1891/2004 (PDF) External link provide enhanced measures for Customs action against counterfeit and pirated goods by improving procedures and extending their scope to new Intellectual Property Rights (trademarks, design rights, copyrights, patents, plant varieties, geographical designations or related rights).

The Regulations also provides that where Customs, in the course of normal checks, encounter goods that appear to be counterfeit or pirated, they may notify the Right Holder of a possible infringement. In such cases the goods may be detained by Customs for a period of 3 working days to allow for the required application for action to be made by the Right Holder.
Goods infringing an Intellectual Property Right means: -

Counterfeit Goods: -

* Goods (including packaging) bearing, without authorisation, a trade mark which is identical to the trade mark validly registered in respect of the same type of goods, or which cannot be distinguished in its essential aspects from such trade mark, and which thereby infringes the rights of the holder of the trade mark in question under Community or National LawExternal link;
* Any trade mark symbol (logo, label, sticker, brochure, instruction manual or guarantee document bearing a symbol), whether presented separately or not, in the same circumstances as the goods referred to above;
* Packaging materials bearing the trade marks of counterfeit goods presented separately in the same circumstances as the goods referred to above.

Pirated Goods: -

* Goods which are or contain copies made without the consent of the holder of a copyright or related right or design right, regardless of whether it is registered in National Law or
* Goods of a person authorised by the right-holder in the country of production in cases where the making of those copies would constitute an infringement of that right under Community or National Law.

Goods that infringe: -

* A patent under National Law
* A Supplementary Protection Certificate provided for in Community Law
* A Plant Variety Right provided for in Community or National Law
* Designations of origin or geographical indications provided for in Community or National Law and
* Geographical designations provided for in Community Law.

Other counterfeit or pirated goods: -

* Any mould or matrix which is specifically designed or adapted for the manufacture of a counterfeit trade mark or of goods bearing such a trade mark or of pirated goods will be treated as counterfeit or pirated goods, as appropriate, provided that the use of such moulds or matrices infringes the rights of the holder of a right under Community or Irish law.

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allthedoyles wrote: »

Fake may not be the correct word - The Chinese describe them as ' replica and similar in quality to the original '

We have bought goods in China and find quality variable - some good stuff and some bad quality .

Check the material used to make genuine converse and the material used to make the similar one in China.

Just because you buy in a reputable store in Ireland dos'ent mean that their 'genuine' footwear is not made in China .

Replicas can be of reasonable quality, but you are paying a premium for a brand name & image.

If you are only using this type of footwear for non fashion use, then similar unbranded styles from department stores are fine. But if you're looking at them from an image & fashion point of view, then the premium for having a genuine branded product will have to be paid.

R.M.

thanks for the replys. turns out i cant buy stuff off ebay anyway cos i only have a laser card. im not able to regester with paypal