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ron2010

Does anybody know where i would find one of those job thingys we were promised in the second Lisbon referendum ??????????????????????????

oscarBravo

ron2010 wrote: »

Does anybody know where i would find one of those job thingys we were promised in the second Lisbon referendum ??????????????????????????

Did you (a) actually interpret some political posters as meaning that the ratification of the Lisbon treaty would directly generate jobs, and (b) believe it?

If the answer to both of the above is "yes", I have a bridge you might want to buy, going cheap. If the answer to either is "no", what's the point of the question?

demonspawn

oscarBravo wrote: »

Did you (a) actually interpret some political posters as meaning that the ratification of the Lisbon treaty would directly generate jobs, and (b) believe it?

If the answer to both of the above is "yes", I have a bridge you might want to buy, going cheap. If the answer to either is "no", what's the point of the question?

I have some keyboard cleaner he can buy while he's at it. Seems to have a key or two that needs unjamming.

RandomName2

ron2010 wrote: »

Does anybody know where i would find one of those job thingys we were promised in the second Lisbon referendum ??????????????????????????

Basically with the Yes campaign if it was vague it was an outright lie, if it was legislatively specific it was true. Somewhat the opposite of the No campaign.

Lock the thread cuz the topic's dead.

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Well, there are apparently a little over 839,225 job vacancies available here at this moment.

Of course, if you don't like them, the No campaigners assured us there's an EU Army on its way any day now. And I am sure you didn't doubt them for a moment...

Scofflaw

Getting a degree is better for getting a job, but when you get your degree, you don't get given a job to go with it. Does that mean getting a degree is not better for getting a job?

cordially,
Scofflaw

BetterLisbon

Look the Yes campaign played directly on peoples fears as did some No campaigners. What the yes camapign was really getting at was the idea that a no vote would make the recession worse (we voted yes and the recession got worse btw). Lisbon made no difference whatsoever to the recession and it was absurd to suggest either outcome on Oct 3rd would change anything. But "Yes for Jobs" etc. was a great example of the big lie: repeat, repeat, repeat repeat....eventually it gets through.

BetterLisbon

Scofflaw wrote: »

Getting a degree is better for getting a job, but when you get your degree, you don't get given a job to go with it. Does that mean getting a degree is not better for getting a job?

cordially,
Scofflaw

Actually your analogy is self defeating as it depends on the job market. Not going to college and getting a skilled trade instead (e.g. carpentry, plumbing etc.) could lead to better job opportunities.

Denerick

BetterLisbon wrote: »

Look the Yes campaign played directly on peoples fears as did some No campaigners. What the yes camapign was really getting at was the idea that a no vote would make the recession worse (we voted yes and the recession got worse btw). Lisbon made no difference whatsoever to the recession and it was absurd to suggest either outcome on Oct 3rd would change anything. But "Yes for Jobs" etc. was a great example of the big lie: repeat, repeat, repeat repeat....eventually it gets through.

Do you deny that Ireland (population 4+ million) benefits from free trade, free movement of people and capital with the EU (population 350+ million)

Do you deny that without unfettered access to the greatest economic presence in the globe, that Ireland, a small export orientated economy, would not suffer?

If you deny all this I could get you into the 'drum, if you're willing to consent.

BetterLisbon

Denerick wrote: »

Do you deny that Ireland (population 4+ million) benefits from free trade, free movement of people and capital with the EU (population 350+ million)

Do you deny that without unfettered access to the greatest economic presence in the globe, that Ireland, a small export orientated economy, would not suffer?

If you deny all this I could get you into the 'drum, if you're willing to consent.

How does that in any way address my point? To answear yes we should be in the european market but there are plenty of options: Full EU member, EU member with opt-outs (e.g Denmark), Associate member in a dynamic relationship (e.g Norway), Associate member in a static relationship (e.g Switzerland).

BetterLisbon

ron2010 wrote: »

Does anybody know where i would find one of those job thingys we were promised in the second Lisbon referendum ??????????????????????????

Well ironically these tactics of playing on the publics economic fears are actually par for the course:
In 1972 the economy was stagnant and agriculture was heading into decline, EEC membership was offered to us as our saviour with "access to markets" bringing thousands of jobs and CAP making Ireland the "breadbasket of europe". These myths were repeated, repeated, repeated and repeated until they got through. However history shows EEC membership brought us unemployment and further declines in agriculture, it did however line the pockets of big farmers and reduce the cost of imports giving the wealthy in society access to an even better lifestyle.
In 1986 the economy was still stagnant and agriculture was heading into further decline, this was attributed to shortcomings in the EEC rules and we were told that unless we approved the SEA we would never see the benfits of europe and we would have to withdraw from the EEC. These myths were repeated, repeated, repeated and repeated until they got through. However history shows that approving the SEA did nothing for the economy.
In 1992 we were told the structural funds would be lost and we would have to withdraw from the EC if we rejected Maastrict.These myths were repeated, repeated, repeated and repeated until they got through. History shows we never got the full amount of structural funds.
During the celtic tiger years (Amsterdam-Nice-Lisbon1) the economy was going really well and the "economic argument" failed so we had the Good Friday agreement as a distraction for Amsterdam, 3 other referenda on the same day for Nice1, Lies about enlargement and the Justin Barrett fiasco for Nice 2 and the shambles that was Lisbon1. However once the recession bit hard this "economic argument" sounded plausible again and it was repeated, repeated, repeated, repeated.....