Should Ireland Not Change back an hour in October due to night driving safety?

starlit

I agree with this, think it would make more sense having the days still brighter for longer during the winter months.

Micky Dolenz

The mornings would be darker for longer though.

Cheap Thrills!

Yeh, but I'd rather the hour in the evening!!! So depressing when it gets dark at 4.30 in Winter.:(

OutlawPete

Brightness is just a state of mind man.

/tokes on a camberwell carrot

El Weirdo

OutlawPete wrote: »

Brightness is just a state of mind man.

/tokes on a camberwell carrot

Pass it on man.

TPD

I dunno. It's more depresing getting up and leaving the house in the dark than it is to return home in the dark.

Scarinae

I always thought the reason the hour changed was because parents don't want their kids walking to school in the dark. Which amazes me, since most kids don't walk to school anyway, even if they live really near

Dionysus

Ahem

Micky Dolenz

Fishie wrote: »

I always thought the reason the hour changed was because parents don't want their kids walking to school in the dark. Which amazes me, since most kids don't walk to school anyway, even if they live really near

I thought it was more to do with the framers, especially Scottish farmers.

Ickle Magoo

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I thought it was more to do with the framers, especially Scottish farmers.

Ireland changes their clocks because of scottish framers/farmers?

Daylight saving, as it's known, was brought in courtesy of an idea by london builder William Willett in a pamphlet published in 1907 called "The Waste of Daylight" which was about the waste of summer mornings while people slept...

http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/c.html

GeorgeBailey

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I thought it was more to do with the framers

Damn framers have too much say in Irish society :mad:

El Weirdo

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I thought it was more to do with the framers...

I fucking hate that Glen Hansard.:pac:

Dionysus

Maybe Ireland should have a different time to Britain?

Very few Irish people are aware that until 1916 Dublin, for instance, had Dublin Mean Time, which was 25 minutes behind British GMT. Both GMT and DMT were created in 1880. Prior to this, all the major towns in Ireland had their own times (obviously many were the same), which were known to all traders who attended their respective fairs and markets.

See this, this and a scientific explanation from the Dunsink Observatory here.

PS: There's even a Facebook page on Dublin Mean Time

/end history lesson for today

Tar.Aldarion

They're a right picture, the lot of them :mad:

UrbanSea

You made the poll confusing,why not say should they put it back? What are we voting yes for so,to leave it as it is?

Cookie_Monster

snuggles285 wrote: »

I agree with this, think it would make more sense having the days still brighter for longer during the winter months.

thats probably the least important reason for it to be done.

the power saving for lights and the increased happiness of people from the additional light would be much more important

Mike 1972

Dionysus wrote: »

Maybe Ireland should have a different time to Britain?

1) UK television would be confusing
2) Pain in the @r$€; in border areas
3) It makes economic sense to have similar office hours to our largest trading partner

I dont really care if they put us on GMT (winter time) GMT+1 (summer time) or even GMT+ 30 min (Iran IIRC is GMT +3:30) but this putting clocks foward/backwards is a ridiculous arrangment (as is the continued use of the 12 hour clock)

Actually in this day and age there is probably a case for putting the whole world on a single timezone and just letting individual countries change the time they get up/go to bed/start work

Onetime each town had its own time but railways necessitated standardisation within countries

Now we have air travel, the internet, globalisation and the 24 hour society

Overheal

Why don't we simply sail the Island to a lower lattitude where it will receive more light in the winter, along with a nicer climate?

King Felix

Overheal wrote: »

Why don't we simply sail the Island to a lower lattitude where it will receive more light in the winter, along with a nicer climate?

:pac:

Going by that vid there's a danger Ireland will tip over into the Irish Sea if the government don't begin the decentralisation programme straight away.

Overheal

I would have thought Dublin's centralization would have done that already.

stovelid

My car has lights and I can drive properly so I'm sorted.

Wertz

The thoughts of it not being bright until at least a quarter to ten in the month of December makes me think this is a very bad idea.
Kids have to go to school in the morning as well as come home in the evening....it being bright till 5-5.30pm isn't going to do them much good if the morning is pitch dark until they're nearly taking their breaktime.

All this nonsense from whatever politician is flying this kite and him saying that we can stagger school hours and work schedules to suit such a move is simply laughable (like the unions would stand for that).
This was tried back in the 60's and it didn't work then either.
As for road safety? lol pushing a clock hand an hour forward or back won't make one iota of difference to road safety...

Mike 1972

Wertz wrote: »

saying that we can stagger school hours and work schedules to suit such a move is simply laughable.

we actually can but if we did there would be no need for a move as it wouldnt matter if we were on GMT, GMT+1 or Pacific Mountain time

rossie1977

Overheal wrote: »

Why don't we simply sail the Island to a lower lattitude where it will receive more light in the winter, along with a nicer climate?

yeah down towards the canaries, south of gran canaria would be grand, then we would have year round good weather and 10.5 hours of daylight in december (we get 7.5hrs in december)

they are in the same time zone as us too, perfect

Dionysus

Mike 1972 wrote: »

1) UK television would be confusing

'Bizarre' would be a more accurate adjective for how it currently appears to me (Channel 4 News being a frequent exception). I just don't get these "reality" programmes or soaps. There's enough drama in the life of the average man.

I think we should be looking at it in terms of child safety, not in terms of how it might impact upon Coronation Street viewers.

Wertz

Mike 1972 wrote: »

we actually can but if we did there would be no need for a move as it wouldnt matter if we were on GMT, GMT+1 or Pacific Mountain time

Personally I think it's a lot handier and less confusing to just jump forth and back every 6 months.
As someone who needs natural light in my work (preferably) in mid winter we can already lose 30-60min in the morning, on a job, over the rest of the year...we also lose 30 or so minutes in the evenings.
With staggered worktimes, you'd be arriving an hour later and going home an hour later, which is bloody stupid when you can just move the hour hand to suit the time of year.
So some workplaces would stagger and others wouldn't...that in itself would cause consternation (although it might cut down on rush hour delays)...anyway like I said it was tried in the 60s in the UK and they eventually went back to changing the clocks...can't see it being any differnet if they tried it now.

I'll bet this is about some form of EU integration, at least in the minds of the politicos who dreamt it up...

Mike 1972

Wertz wrote: »

As someone who needs natural light in my work (preferably) in mid winter we can already lose 30-60min in the morning, on a job, over the rest of the year...we also lose 30 or so minutes in the evenings.
With staggered worktimes, you'd be arriving an hour later and going home an hour later, which is bloody stupid when you can just move the hour hand to suit the time of year.

Lots of people manage perfectly well with staggered (aka "shift") worktimes. Emergency service workers, Utility company staff, Factory workers, Healtchcare staff, Service industries. The handful of occupations reliant on "natural light" really shouldnt find the (pretty minor and infrequent) changes to their work patterns too difficult.

Dionysus wrote: »

I think we should be looking at it in terms of child safety

We already have enough half-baked, ineffective, hysteria-inspired, counter-productive measures on the statute books from the "wont-someone-think-of-the-childer" lobby dont you think ?

Wertz

Could those people citing such a move as being protective of children on their way to and from school explain the reasoning?
I don't have kids but I don't think the school hours have changed that much...most schools start at 9am right? ...and finish at in and around 3.30-4pm?

In mid winter, under the current system sunrise is around 8.40am in Dublin (Dec21)...this means on a clear moring it starts getting bright at maybe 8.20am (Dublin: add 20-25 min for west coast), so the time when the majority of kids are on their way to school it's bright (unless it's bad weather).

Under the proposed system, it would be pitch dark when children are going to school and might still be dark well into their first lesson.

In the evening, they get out at 4pm, for argument's sake; sun sets at about 4.15pm (Dec21) so on a clear day, still bright till 4.30pm Under the proposed system that get's pushed out by an hour...but it was still bright when they got out under the old system. All you've now done is made it more dangerous in the mornings, especially for those who walk or bike to school (minority?). Those who get lifts or buses aren't badly effected under either the new or old systems.

I fail to see how this would proptect children on the roads.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Should ireland NOT change back an hour? I think we have to, considering we move forward in April, or the whole time-clock's gonna be ****ed up over the next few years.

Cheap Thrills!

Ahh feck the feckin kids. The whole world is supposed to revolve around the horrible little buggers. When I was a kid the world was totally adult-centric and now I'm an adult it's ridiculously child centric. When's it gonna be MY TURN to be prioritised!?

Anyway, no child walks to school. Ever. Bleedin pedos saw to that.

Won't somebody please think of the adults!!!!

Wertz

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Lots of people manage perfectly well with staggered (aka "shift") worktimes. Emergency service workers, Utility company staff, Factory workers, Healtchcare staff, Service industries. The handful of occupations reliant on "natural light" really shouldnt find the (pretty minor and infrequent) changes to their work patterns too difficult.

I'm not getting this. Shift work I understand. But shift work in it's current guise means you start at the same time of day/night all year around (and I'm not being selfish here and merely looking at things from my own job's POV)

Say, typical office hours: ie 9am - 5pm ...are you saying that we should in the winter time, simply move the times to 8am - 4pm? If so, what's the difference between doing that and merely moving the hour hand for everyone every 6 months?

We have a problem in these latitudes, that being that in mid winter our day shortens to 7.5 hrs....but our work day is 8 hrs. Surely the best way out of this is to merely shorten the work day by an hour in the winter :pac:

baldbear

I never knew there was a DMT, Dublin Mean time which was 25 mins behind London!

It looks like we will have to change our time as Britian are looking like they will.

Cheap Thrills!

YAY ! :pac:

A Primal Nut

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

thats probably the least important reason for it to be done.

the power saving for lights and the increased happiness of people from the additional light would be much more important

How does differ from the the quoted poster's view?

owenc

Yes the ones in the southeast forget that scotland and northern ireland are further west than them and we would be dark the same as southern ireland. Plus i want to be further from europe not closer to it.

FreudianSlippers

IMO daylight savings is passé... we should go an hour back in the Autumn, yes, but should not be putting clocks forward for the summer anymore IMO

Mike 1972

Wertz wrote: »

Say, typical office hours: ie 9am - 5pm ...are you saying that we should in the winter time, simply move the times to 8am - 4pm? If so, what's the difference between doing that and merely moving the hour hand for everyone every 6 months?

Not much reason for people who work in an office to change at all.

If on the other hand one works in a job where daylight is a necessity (or even just an advantage) than adopting ones hours makes a lot of sense regardless of whether we use GMT, BST CET or Mecca time :pac:

Social Disorder

OisinT wrote: »

IMO daylight savings is passé... we should go an hour back in the Autumn, yes, but should not be putting clocks forward for the summer anymore IMO

Would that not just leave a total reversal of night and day within a few years?

FreudianSlippers

Social Disorder wrote: »

Would that not just leave a total reversal of night and day within a few years?

lol thanks

I meant stop doing daylight savings altogether after this year! so go back one more time and then never change again!

owenc

OisinT wrote: »

IMO daylight savings is passé... we should go an hour back in the Autumn, yes, but should not be putting clocks forward for the summer anymore IMO

Yea they should just leave it the way it is as technically even then this island is an hour ahead.

Dude111

I think this whole changing the clocks ahead and back IS QUITE STUPID!!

starlit

greetings wrote: »

You made the poll confusing,why not say should they put it back? What are we voting yes for so,to leave it as it is?

I made the thread question and poll question seperate I know should have used one or the other question for both! Sorry for the confusion!

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

thats probably the least important reason for it to be done.

the power saving for lights and the increased happiness of people from the additional light would be much more important

Well it makes more sense to have the evenings brighter during winter time for driving saftey reasons I feel. It make it a safer environment to walk home from or go for a walk/run/jog and commute from work/school/college/friends/pub to home and so on for anyone.
Its going to be dark in the morning regardless! Why not enjoy a bright evening rather than it be dull and boring and being cooped up inside when its miserable and winterish at least if the evening be a little brighter for longer it be more worthwhile to enjoy the outdoors and so on.

LordSutch

Yes I think

I voted 'Yes' for to Ireland to stay with the current arrangement! back one hour in the Autumn, and forward one hour in the spring .......