The most dangerous predator of them all

Sticky_Fingers

When we think of the great zombie uprising we get caught up in thinking about the swarming unwashed maggoty masses that will cover the world as the greatest treat. This is IMO the paramount danger to our survival, not the walking dead but the assumption that they are our only foe. In WWZ Brooks proposed a pyramid of threats in order of severity and at the top of the list was man. On an academic level we all now that humans (who mean us harm) are our greatest foe but on many of the discussions here I see only passing reference to the danger of raiders, scavengers and roaming bands. I feel this is the enemy we really need to concentrate on and provided in the video below is what I feel is the tamest most civilised character they will show when the sh@t hits.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU7bFpPJiww

There was only about a dozen of the fookers in that (fiction but pretty realistic all the same) video and i freely admit that when I initially thought about raiders I was a bit dismissive and over confident in my ability to defeat them, we are all subject to Ramboesque fantasies now and then, the fantasy of slaying hordes of bad guys while only suffering superficial and aesthetically pleasing grazes. I feel this video helps dispel the myth that you can simultaneously take on 2, 3, 4 or even 5 scumbags at the same time. This is the enemy we need to truly fear and prepare for because scum like this will find a way to survive and it will probably be at your expense...


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OP was that video really necesary?? yeah so it should a bunch of knackers assaulting poeple and i know it may have been fake but it was slightly disturbing,

honestly, we all know that other humans will be our biggest foe, but they will also be slightly easier to combat in the way that humans feel pain, if you booby trap your lair you may have a good chance of surviving an attack from humans

ShadowGal

after watching The Road i have to say its a thought that crossed my mind, the scavengers were so crazy in it and have zero respect for human life. it was a case of kill (your own) to survive or die starving.

Micky Dolenz

Yeeps, Other people will be the biggest threat regardless of the apocalypse.

First few weeks should be about surviving and adjusting to new environment. Then meeting up with surviving members of your group is vital. Plans should be in place and meeting up should be planned well in advance as comms will most definitely be done.

Safety in numbers.

ShadowGal

i wouldnt survive a day against a group of well trained and armed scavengers, as said safety in numbers is the key, if an outbreak were to happen tomorrow we (as in most of us) wouldnt even have guns, yikes

Micky Dolenz

ShadowGal wrote: »

i wouldnt survive a day against a group of well trained and armed scavengers, as said safety in numbers is the key, if an outbreak were to happen tomorrow we (as in most of us) wouldnt even have guns, yikes

Fail to prepare, prepare to die, probably violently.:P

ShadowGal

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Fail to prepare, prepare to die, probably violently.:P

see thats the thing. lets just say you turned on the radio/news and you heard a story of unexplained attacks in the town or city you live in. as in 15 minutes from now it happened. our love of all things zombie might give us a head start on knowing whats going on..but.. what exactly would we have to work with ?

personally id have kitchen knives maybe a bat and a few wrenches, ive got a car, is that gonna get me through though

my first stop would be the ATM, draw out all i have

Sofiztikated

Humans are very clannish and pack behaviour will ultimately come out.

Even people here, what's you're plan? Meet up with the rest of your group. Then what? What if you need something, and someone else has it? And I mean urgently. Would you let them have it, or would you take it from them?

Then things escalate.

Zed's would be the curse, and humans are the cause.

Would/will I defend my patch? Yes. Violently? If needed, I'm not making any bones about it. Will I go roving around, looking for trouble? No. Survival is survival though.

Sofiztikated

ShadowGal wrote: »

see thats the thing. lets just say you turned on the radio/news and you heard a story of unexplained attacks in the town or city you live in. as in 15 minutes from now it happened. our love of all things zombie might give us a head start on knowing whats going on..but.. what exactly would we have to work with ?

personally id have kitchen knives maybe a bat and a few wrenches, ive got a car, is that gonna get me through though

my first stop would be the ATM, draw out all i have

You and many others. If a zombie threat was breaking out though, having lots of currency is not my priority. That would give people more of a reason to take it from you, I mean, a bit of looting and rioting starts, and there you are at the ATM taking out €700 (most peoples daily limit) you make yourself a prime target.

ShadowGal

Sofiztikated wrote: »

You and many others. If a zombie threat was breaking out though, having lots of currency is not my priority. That would give people more of a reason to take it from you, I mean, a bit of looting and rioting starts, and there you are at the ATM taking out €700 (most peoples daily limit) you make yourself a prime target.

hmm i suppose, but its always handy to have a bit of cash. it depends on how quickly the breakout was spreading and if people were still selling petrol, in that case you might need it to buy things along the way

even if the main stores were shut down people will always find a way to wheel and deal the essentials

Micky Dolenz

Cash will be useless. When the rioting/looting happens thousands of euro won't buy you a gun or food.

If you have a days notice of a sudden breakdown in society cash may be useful to getting a head start.

ShadowGal

im still sticking with having a few euro in my pocket, ill buy ya'll a pickaxe if i see ya stuck

degrassinoel

people in groups really are sheep, unless they are those brats in the video, mindless zombies at least have an agenda for violence and aggression.

thing is, not every group (fictional or not) would act the same way, some would be anarchistic and others would have a set of values. The most feral ones wouldnt last long, either a bigger fish would come along or they'd destroy themselves. Ultimately in a world without order, chaos reigns.

These dumb-asses would be top of the heap for a time. But without organisation and rules they would consume themselves from within.

Another reason that if and when the zombpocalypse happens, i'll be in a small group or lonewolfing it.

ShadowGal

degrassinoel wrote: »

people in groups really are sheep, unless they are those brats in the video, mindless zombies at least have an agenda for violence and aggression.

thing is, not every group (fictional or not) would act the same way, some would be anarchistic and others would have a set of values. The most feral ones wouldnt last long, either a bigger fish would come along or they'd destroy themselves. Ultimately in a world without order, chaos reigns.

These dumb-asses would be top of the heap for a time. But without organisation and rules they would consume themselves from within.

Another reason that if and when the zombpocalypse happens, i'll be in a small group or lonewolfing it.

would you really lonewolf it ? i just dont think anyone would last on their own. if you fell or got injured or ill you'd always need someone to help.

id prefer to be in a big, well armored, well protected group tbh, im a sheep

ScumLord

The kind of lads portrayed in that video are actually protected by current laws. Other people can't fight back because it's against the law so they run riot. They may not actually last long in a breakdown of society, the assumption would be they'd bully their way to success but they're actually in a minority and without the law there to protect them there's nothing stopping the majority of people from quickly stamping them out.

degrassinoel

ShadowGal wrote: »

would you really lonewolf it ? i just dont think anyone would last on their own. if you fell or got injured or ill you'd always need someone to help.

id prefer to be in a big, well armored, well protected group tbh, im a sheep

i have a pretty pessimistic view on groups of people in survival situations.
Yes, if i was in a group it would be a very small one, family or one or two friends. Less mouths to feed, less space to live in, more mobility.

As i said in another thread, i wouldnt last long anyway due to health problems, so that would be my main reason to lonewolf it. I dont have to rely on anyone but myself, if i mess up i pay, not some poor fecker i'm grouped with.
lol sounds like aspergers