Old Merc diesels are sloooow?

Blue850

Well with a little help from a Scania...:D
http://www.youtube.com/v/24afjVqm2Uw

unkel

I think a W123 200D had about 60BHP. That one seems to have a bit more

mike65

Do a million miles so unstressed are they.

aidhan

They may not set the road on fire but they always get you there, in style and cheaply :cool:

carchaeologist

And its an estate!:D

Seweryn

carchaeologist wrote: »

And its an estate!:D

Jayzis... I am really sorry I sold my 123T. Someone made a bonkers car out of that one. Even that BMW can barely keep up with it . And... It is a Diesel...

johnf2020

Years ago my dad had a W123 200(44 LHI) which we had for years. It wasnt that fast but you become used to that and dont know any different. After a number of years a friend of our who had a 300D talked him into getting a diesel conversion done and while I was at college the car was sent away. I came home one weekend to see the result and fired her up.It sounded like a 6 cylinder. Now Merc did not do a 6 diesel for cars at that time and this sounded like a Datsun Patrol

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Well I nearly wet myself, and not in a good way, when I saw that Patrol 2.8 under the bonnet. I was hoping for the lovely warble of the 5 cylinder Merc engine. It was a smokey old engine that 6 cylinder and we eventually flogged it for a 240D a couple of years later. We you become used to slow acceration you really dont know any different after a while.

unkel

johnf2020 wrote: »

I nearly wet myself, and not in a good way, when I saw that Patrol 2.8 under the bonnet.

Back in the early / mid 90s there were loads of Mercedes S-class taxis with the 2.8l Nissan diesel around Dublin

mike65

Not just Mercs, that Nissan 2.8 was the engine of choice for many large barges being run by farmers, taxi drivers etc back then.

What was the name of the company that did them, they had a chain of about 6/8 workshops I think.

Inbox

I'm sure my neighbour ruined a few mercs doing that years ago also There was a good few of them around,never knew it was a patrol engine. Always sounded like an Urvan to us

unkel

Just looking it up and that 2.8l Nissan diesel engine only had about 100BHP :eek:

Seweryn

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Very unimpressive! Compare it to today where BMW are getting 295BHP from a 3.0.

Yeah, it would be great if these modern Diesels are as reliable as the old ones.

Ali Babba

I've got a 1979 500 SEL 126 series with a 300 diesel engine and it's painfully slow too but does plod along well enough on the flat, any suggestions as to fitting an upgrade engine with a turbo? What engine would fit and match the auto box with out major surgery?

Seweryn

Ali Babba wrote: »

I've got a 1979 500 SEL 126 series with a 300 diesel engine and it's painfully slow too but does plod along well enough on the flat, any suggestions as to fitting an upgrade engine with a turbo? What engine would fit and match the auto box with out major surgery?

What engine type is currently in the car? Is it OM617, OM603 or OM606? But no matter, any upgrade would be a bit tricky. However, if you have one of the last two, then it may be a bit easier to source and fit the OM606A, but then again this engine has electronically controlled injection pump and it would be better to replace it with a pump from an OM603A, but that would not be easy one to find, unless you search the European market.

johnf2020

unkel wrote: »

Just looking it up and that 2.8l Nissan diesel engine only had about 100BHP :eek:

Actually the 240D only had 72bhp but somehow it actually felt quicker:rolleyes:

The 300D's only had 88bhp

unkel

Ali Babba wrote: »

I've got a 1979 500 SEL 126 series with a 300 diesel engine and it's painfully slow too but does plod along well enough on the flat, any suggestions as to fitting an upgrade engine with a turbo? What engine would fit and match the auto box with out major surgery?

Why not re-convert it to the V8 5l petrol engine? I'd be very tempted myself by a pre-'80 W126 V8

Come to think of it, a 500 SEL must have been quite unusual over here or in the UK in '79. Is it a LHD continental import?

merc3ps

I had a 1972 Merc 220D. Yes it was slow, but I generally found that if you pushed it on a bit, and used the gears properly, that you were about the same speed or faster than most of the general traffic around.

andreas_220D

johnf2020 wrote: »

Actually the 240D only had 72bhp

65bhp from 1973 to 1976
72bhp from 1977 to 1985

johnf2020 wrote: »

The 300D's only had 88bhp

80bhp from 1976 to 1979
88bhp from 1979 to 1985

got a nice OM617 in a 1971 W108

Ali Babba

unkel wrote: »

Why not re-convert it to the V8 5l petrol engine? I'd be very tempted myself by a pre-'80 W126 V8

Come to think of it, a 500 SEL must have been quite unusual over here or in the UK in '79. Is it a LHD continental import?

I think it would be too much trouble to convert it at this stage and it is a good enough conversion. It was a Swiss embassy car originally and right hand drive too, it still has CD plates etc. on it.

2cv

Ali Babba wrote: »

I think it would be too much trouble to convert it at this stage and it is a good enough conversion. It was a Swiss embassy car originally and right hand drive too, it still has CD plates etc. on it.

How come the car has no plates on it?

Ali Babba

2cv wrote: »

How come the car has no plates on it?

Waiting on paperwork, it was on a personalised UK plate and I bought it on condition the car was assigned another number, should have it in about a week.

2cv

Ali Babba wrote: »

Waiting on paperwork, it was on a personalised UK plate and I bought it on condition the car was assigned another number, should have it in about a week.

Ah right, makes sense....

You getting new wings fitted?

Ali Babba

2cv wrote: »

Ah right, makes sense....

You getting new wings fitted?

Yeah, they're in it and rear wheel arch sections too, got the lot from Poland for 150 euros, two front wings and two rear wheel arch sections, VAT and delivery included, local Merc garage wanted 380 euros each for the wings alone.

2cv

Ali Babba wrote: »

Yeah, they're in it and rear wheel arch sections too, got the lot from Poland for 150 euros, VAT and delivery included, local Merc garage wanted 380 euros each for the wings alone.

wow, that's tremendous value...

i drove a 560 SEL this weekend nice....

Dermo123

Ali Babba wrote: »

Yeah, they're in it and rear wheel arch sections too, got the lot from Poland for 150 euros, two front wings and two rear wheel arch sections, VAT and delivery included, local Merc garage wanted 380 euros each for the wings alone.

Need to the the exact same items for a 190. Must get the details off you on how to acquire them from your sources. I assume they are the OEM wings unlike those ill fitting spurious ones?

johnf2020

andreas_220D wrote: »

65bhp from 1973 to 1976
72bhp from 1977 to 1985


80bhp from 1976 to 1979
88bhp from 1979 to 1985

got a nice OM617 in a 1971 W108

I didnt say anything wrong then,did I?:rolleyes:

MercMad

The 300d's were quite a bit more refined than the 240d's and the 5 cyl make a lovely sound.

The reason Nissan diesels were used was that they were more plentiful and some were an almost copy of the Merc engines, in a broad sense, the 6 cyl. petrol IS a copy of the Merc 6 cyl.

The W126 300Sd wasn't made in RHD because the steering box interferes with the turbo!