Where would you rank the Waterford 90s/00s teams in your list of greatest teams?

deccy15

Interested to know opinions from supporters of other counties (and waterford supporters aswell). Seem to get a lot of praise for a team that never won an AI.
Below would be my list of teams i've seen:

1: Kilkenny 00s
2: Clare late 90s
3: Offaly 90s
4: Cork early 00s
5: Galway late 80s

(p.s. not an attempt to wind anyone up)

hurleronditch

Are you serious?

Im of similar vintage to you judging by your list of teams, and they fact that you can list 5 'great' teams and not include waterford says it all.

From the 80's 90's and 00's, limerick and wexford in the 90's would be better, for differing reasons, plus the cork team from the 80's.

Basically in the last 30 years there has been 1 great time (greatest ever imo and im a corkman), plus 3 or 4 good teams who will be looked on favourably by history, but will only be ever regarded as good teams.

Waterford have some great players, but wont be remembered bar for one of the biggest capitulations in history in an all ireland final

deccy15

hurleronditch wrote: »

Are you serious?

Im of similar vintage to you judging by your list of teams, and they fact that you can list 5 'great' teams and not include waterford says it all.

From the 80's 90's and 00's, limerick and wexford in the 90's would be better, for differing reasons, plus the cork team from the 80's.

Basically in the last 30 years there has been 1 great time (greatest ever imo and im a corkman), plus 3 or 4 good teams who will be looked on favourably by history, but will only be ever regarded as good teams.

Waterford have some great players, but wont be remembered bar for one of the biggest capitulations in history in an all ireland final

Just curious to know other supporters opinions as they seem to get a lot of credit on other threads and forums!!
Point taken on the great/good teams!!
What I've listed above is only the teams I've seen! Too young to remember cork's mid 80s team!

Sack

Capable of beating anyone on their day. Capable of losing to anyone on that same day. The greatest almost team ever. Should have won it in '04 but bottled it.

deisedevil

A lot of credit where it's deserved and within reason but I have NEVER seen them being reffered to as one of the Greatest teams on here or anywhere else. Can you quote the posts where you seen this said please.

Either quote them or stfu in fairness.

deccy15

It's not seen on here as much tbf but on sites like An Fear Rua and the likes you constantly see posts saying how great these Waterford teams are/were!! The reason i posted this on here is thats a far better forum, where threads dont often descend into a slagging match.
Don't get me wrong I've always thought they were a very good team but just thought they got a lot more credit than they should have. I'll try find quotes if I can later!

deisedevil

deccy15 wrote: »

It's not seen on here as much tbf but on sites like An Fear Rua and the likes you constantly see posts saying how great these Waterford teams are/were!! The reason i posted this on here is thats a far better forum, where threads dont often descend into a slagging match.
Don't get me wrong I've always thought they were a very good team but just thought they got a lot more credit than they should have. I'll try find quotes if I can later!

I have never ever heard anyone calling Waterford one of the great hurling counties and never heard of any team since 1998 being referred to as one of the great teams.

They were appaling in the 80's, they weren't the best team of the 90's without a shadow of a doubt and they are in the top four for the 00's. Find me one Waterford fan who will say otherwise and you might have a point.

They deserve praise for what they have achieved. They have been the best team in Munster since they won Munster in 2002, there's no denying that. They have been in top four for a long time now, 5 years in a row in the Semi-Finals. The worst thing for Waterford is that Kilkenny have been a nightmare for them, every time we have met them in a Semi or a Final they have beaten us. So on many occasions we have been sent home by the greatest team that have ever played the game.

There's plenty of praise and credit owed to them and plenty of criticism which they also get in equal measure or more.

I don't understand why there was a need for this thread at all, it's obvious they wouldn't fit into any deade as being the best team of that decade but that doesn't mean they are one of the poorer hurling sides getting undeserved praise.

suitcasepink

Sack wrote: »

Capable of beating anyone on their day. Capable of losing to anyone on that same day.

That really says it tbh!! Winning Munster titles but losing to Kerry at Welsh Park..

Agree with others they're not one of the greatest teams, certainly a very good team, but to be greatest I think you need atleast 1 AI to show for it.

detective

I really feel that 2007 was potentially Waterford's year. Great wins over Cork and Limerick in Munster, finally got the monkey off your back by beating Cork again in the 1/4 final AI. Add to this you had beaten Kilkenny in the NHL final. I live in Waterford and I remember the hype at the time. I had never seen anything like it. The players must have been feeling unreal pressure and it told in the semi final. It's surely Waterford's what if year?

KevIRL

detective wrote: »

I really feel that 2007 was potentially Waterford's year. Great wins over Cork and Limerick in Munster, finally got the monkey off your back by beating Cork again in the 1/4 final AI. Add to this you had beaten Kilkenny in the NHL final. I live in Waterford and I remember the hype at the time. I had never seen anything like it. The players must have been feeling unreal pressure and it told in the semi final. It's surely Waterford's what if year?

I'm not even going to entertain the OP, as for reasons pointed out its a redic question.

I do feel however that 1998 was our best chance. The worst game we played all year was the semi final against KK, and we lost by a point. If we had got to the final, it would have been without the crazy hype levels of later years.

Fentdog84

I rate waterford as the greatest team to lose six All ireland semi finals then-get- annialated by 23 points in an Ireland final..whatever thats worth..:(

Pisco Sour

deccy15 wrote: »

Interested to know opinions from supporters of other counties (and waterford supporters aswell). Seem to get a lot of praise for a team that never won an AI.
Below would be my list of teams i've seen:

1: Kilkenny 00s
2: Clare late 90s
3: Offaly 90s
4: Cork early 00s
5: Galway late 80s

(p.s. not an attempt to wind anyone up)

Nowhere. They have no All Ireland.

blackbelt

deisedevil wrote: »

A lot of credit where it's deserved and within reason but I have NEVER seen them being reffered to as one of the Greatest teams on here or anywhere else. Can you quote the posts where you seen this said please.

Either quote them or stfu in fairness.

I think you need to calm down and have respect for other posters.Telling people to shut the fcuk up is not on and next time you will be banned.

dirtyden

They were never quite good enough to win an all-ireland, throuhout the last 10-12 years they had weaknesses in different areas. Currently they lack scoring forwards, previously it was full back line that let them down. They have a number of players who one might say deserved an all-ireland, Ken McGrath, Tony Browne, Mullane and big Dan, but despite having some outstanding players it was having a strong 1-20 that always let them down in my opinion. In the early 00s they were a savage team to watch hurl though.

liammur

deccy15 wrote: »

Interested to know opinions from supporters of other counties (and waterford supporters aswell). Seem to get a lot of praise for a team that never won an AI.
Below would be my list of teams i've seen:

1: Kilkenny 00s
2: Clare late 90s
3: Offaly 90s
4: Cork early 00s
5: Galway late 80s

(p.s. not an attempt to wind anyone up)

Probably along with the limerick team of 1994-1997 as the best teams never to win an all ireland

buck65

I'd agree with the Limerick comparison. Best team never to win an All Ireland. Certainly the current team would be a step below Kilkenny/Tipp at the moment.
However they, along with Clare and Tipp are producing good underage teams like their u21's last year and minors recently who may well yet make the breakthrough but hard to see the likes of teh McGraths, Browne, prendergasts ever getting another shot at a final.

Pisco Sour

liammur wrote: »

Probably along with the limerick team of 1994-1997 as the best teams never to win an all ireland

I wouldnt agree with that. Waterford have only made the final ONCE (and got humiliated in it). In order to be a "best to never win" candidate you have to be surely getting to finals on a regular occurance, much like Jimmy White in snooker.

buck65

Surely 6 semi final losses counts for something?!

Pisco Sour

buck65 wrote: »

Surely 6 semi final losses counts for something?!

How many of those semi final losses was to the eventual winner. If a significant chunk of them were then you may have a point. If not, then you dont.

chinguetti

KevIRL is right, 1998 was the year that they should have got to a Final. Gerard telling the half backs and midfield to drive in long ball and Shane Aherne below us in the Hill telling the forwards to go out the field. Twas daft. Long ball going into the goalie or over the end line and no one near it.

Waterford were an entertaining team from 1998 to 2007, never knew what you could get on any given day from them. And you got the feeling that sometimes they weren't sure themselves what would happen when they left the dressing room.

BOSTIK

Quote:
Originally Posted by buck65
Surely 6 semi final losses counts for something?!

How many of those semi final losses was to the eventual winner. If a significant chunk of them were then you may have a point. If not, then you dont.


Just the two, against Kilkenny last year and Tipp this year. Kilkenny in '98, Clare in '02, Kilkenny in '04, Cork in '06 & Limerick in '07 were all losses to teams that were in most cases well beaten in the finals.

The_Kew_Tour

I would have loved to have seen Waterford win AI but they can never be described as anywhere near the greatest cause to do so you have to win AI in first place.

Good side yes, Great side no

hurling_lad

Waterford ranked joint second in the Munster championship in the 00's - that can't be taken away from them.

(They're ranked first in the 2010s of course, but it's early days)

The_Kew_Tour

hurling_lad wrote: »

(They're ranked first in the 2010s of course, but it's early days)

Yes, but who won All-Ireland

Dont think Tipp give two hoots about that stat after sunday:)