Hudson Miracle Approach Chart

nag

I only saw this for the first time recently so I'm sure there are others in the same boat/ditched aeroplane as me

Enjoy

Andrew33

Just looking at the "experience" of the crew. Even apart from Sullys years of experience, all the crew had at least 20 years behind them which had to have been a huge factor in the outcome of the "ditch". Could you imagine a Ryanair crew in the same situation?:eek:

APM

Andrew33 wrote: »

Just looking at the "experience" of the crew. Even apart from Sullys years of experience, all the crew had at least 20 years behind them which had to have been a huge factor in the outcome of the "ditch". Could you imagine a Ryanair crew in the same situation?:eek:

I think you'll find there was a Ryanair incident in Rome CIA, November 2008 where there was multiple birdstrikes resulting in thrust loss in both engines without any serious injury. Aircraft was in the go-around when it hit the birds and still managed to get the aircraft down safely. Of course it would've been far more publicised if the pilots were at fault

highlydebased

Andrew33 wrote: »

Just looking at the "experience" of the crew. Even apart from Sullys years of experience, all the crew had at least 20 years behind them which had to have been a huge factor in the outcome of the "ditch". Could you imagine a Ryanair crew in the same situation?:eek:

Thats a bit unfair. You think Ryanair crews cant be experienced and cant handle emergencies?

AlekSmart

I think Andrew33 opens a somewhat broader issue which differentiates the USA from this part of Europe...Ageism.

It is not at all remarkable to be served,assisted or advised by a "Senior" in general US labour situations.

However,we are deeply burdened here by the "Retire at 65" mantra which is largely counter-productive.

In my humble,the entire process of retirement needs to become far more flexible and recognisant of Human Nature.

I consistently come across colleagues in their mid 50`s who are sick and tired of work,whilst I meet lads of 64 who are absolutely dreading their 65th and who have absolutely no problem whatever working on past it.

St. Leibowitz

Andrew33 wrote: »

Just looking at the "experience" of the crew. Even apart from Sullys years of experience, all the crew had at least 20 years behind them which had to have been a huge factor in the outcome of the "ditch". Could you imagine a Ryanair crew in the same situation?:eek:

I could, and I'd expect them to perform professionally and admirably.

I'm no fan of Ryanair mainly due to their sales and marketing, and the frequent stupid pronouncments of MOL, but I have flown with them on occasion and have never found fault with their performance when operating aircraft. In fact, regarding their pilots, they are probably much more experienced with actually flying an aircraft due to the predominently short sectors they fly, and that many airports they use are of the more basic variety, requiring more hand-flying rather than automated flying.

Andrew33

I'll try and comment on both of the last two posts at the same time,
I'd hazard a guess that the average age of AL staff is probably double that of FR's and I'd much prefer to be with a mature crew on an AL flight than with a plane crewed by bimbos and flown by psychotic east European ex-air force jocks:D
I would have one comment about Sullys flight which is that the entire crew were mature and experienced with no younger staff on board at all.

Re comment about FR pilots having to land at underdeveloped airports is misinformed to say the least, the airports FR use might not be conveniently located and might not have "The Loop" shopping but technology wise they'd be on par with any other airport.

I could be completely wrong on the this but I think FR's 738's can not be landed by the computer but the Airbus family can but Sully put his 'bus down manually anyway so that factor doesn't come into it.

As a friend of mind put it "the 737 is a truck, the Airbus 319/21 is a Transit van. I think I'd rather be in a Transit van in the event of it hitting water.

APM

Andrew33 wrote: »

I could be completely wrong on the this but I think FR's 738's can not be landed by the computer but the Airbus family can but Sully put his 'bus down manually anyway so that factor doesn't come into it.

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Both can do autoland but neither can do an autoland on water

St. Leibowitz

Andrew33 wrote: »

I'll try and comment on both of the last two posts at the same time,
I'd hazard a guess that the average age of AL staff is probably double that of FR's and I'd much prefer to be with a mature crew on an AL flight than with a plane crewed by bimbos and flown by psychotic east European ex-air force jocks:D
I would have one comment about Sullys flight which is that the entire crew were mature and experienced with no younger staff on board at all.

Re comment about FR pilots having to land at underdeveloped airports is misinformed to say the least, the airports FR use might not be conveniently located and might not have "The Loop" shopping but technology wise they'd be on par with any other airport.

I could be completely wrong on the this but I think FR's 738's can not be landed by the computer but the Airbus family can but Sully put his 'bus down manually anyway so that factor doesn't come into it.

As a friend of mind put it "the 737 is a truck, the Airbus 319/21 is a Transit van. I think I'd rather be in a Transit van in the event of it hitting water.

What ??????????

Transit van versus truck. 737 can't autoland. Technology wise a minor regional is on a par with "any other" airport. I don't know where to start to answer this, so I won't bother. The only thing you got right in your post is that you could be completely wrong.

Andrew33

St. Leibowitz wrote: »

What ??????????

Transit van versus truck. 737 can't autoland. Technology wise a minor regional is on a par with "any other" airport. I don't know where to start to answer this, so I won't bother. The only thing you got right in your post is that you could be completely wrong.

#

You're right, don't bother. You tried to imply in your previous post that FR pilots gained more experience because FR pilots only fly into airfields (practically grass strips in your opinion!) and did more cycles than other airline pilots. What a pile of horsesh1t!

I wasn't sure about the autoland and stated as such in my post. The 737 does handle like a truck compared to the Airbus and this is patently obvious if you watch them land. The 'Bus glides in, the 73 comes down hard or maybe thats just the way your wildly experienced pilots like to fly them.:rolleyes:

Bearcat

Andrew33 wrote: »

I'd much prefer to be with a mature crew on an AL flight than with a plane crewed by bimbos and flown by psychotic east European ex-air force jocks:D

your way out of order here.........

andy_g

Lads keep the agro down please otherwise you cannot have nice threads to play with.

Now tbh from knowing alot of FR pilots they aint all ex air force a hell of alot of irish pilots work for them 90% of the irish lads dont want to based here alot of them are in spain/italy

Andrew33

Bearcat wrote: »

your way out of order here.........

Mother of God!!! is it illegal to have a sense of humour on boards??

andy_g

Yes we are only serious around here oh wait thats only me :P

Bearcat

ok, ok, I jumped in feet first and I'm sorry. I have read too many forums where the FR guys get a bashing for the sake of one. The one's I know are all aces hence I was getting a bit prickly in my old age.......back in my box.

rgds