Iphone4 v htc desire

Mick990

Hey lads,

I want to first apoligise if this has been done before but i was all set to get my new iphone 4 when i had a chat with a couple of my friends who have the htc.

They made a very strong case for the htc being a better phone but my instincts are telling me the apple would be the better buy .

Could someone tell me why the iphone is better or are my mates right ??

Thanks for all help lads i appreciate it

aidan_walsh

Well, what did your friends say?

What do ou want from a phone?

Blazer

To be honest both are great phones.
The HTC can be upgraded with addtional storage from a mini-sd while the iphone is locked to 16gb or 32gb..it's no biggie really.
I find that the iphone is extremely fast when itunes is syncing to it...way faster than any SD card I've seen.
Apps are better on the iphone but the android is rapidly catching up...one good thing the iphone has over the htc is that the itunes appstore is well organised whereas it's a needle in the haystack for the android marketplace.
Plus on the iphone it alerts to you app updates which android doesn't so far.
3g speeds are around the same so it depends on who you go for really..3,o2,vodafone.
I love the screen on the iphone...higher resolution but I wish I could customize it with gadgets etc the way that android does.
One thing the HTC has in it's favour is it's about €100 cheaper on bill than the iphone and about €300 unlocked I think?

viclemronny

Sc@recrow wrote: »

To be honest both are great phones.
The HTC can be upgraded with addtional storage from a mini-sd while the iphone is locked to 16gb or 32gb..it's no biggie really.
I find that the iphone is extremely fast when itunes is syncing to it...way faster than any SD card I've seen.
Apps are better on the iphone but the android is rapidly catching up...one good thing the iphone has over the htc is that the itunes appstore is well organised whereas it's a needle in the haystack for the android marketplace.
Plus on the iphone it alerts to you app updates which android doesn't so far.
3g speeds are around the same so it depends on who you go for really..3,o2,vodafone.
I love the screen on the iphone...higher resolution but I wish I could customize it with gadgets etc the way that android does.
One thing the HTC has in it's favour is it's about €100 cheaper on bill than the iphone and about €300 unlocked I think?

While this is true, the HTC starts with no storage of any practical use. There's only a few hundred mb on the rom left for user content.

OP: I was debating between these two phones (well, actually a second hand 3gs) for a good while and what made me pick the iPhone was the fact that although somewhat more restricted than he HTC, the restrictions meant less foostering needed to be done for things to work(battery can required much fiddling to work on the desire, though will be fine afaik once set up correctly).

While there are greater customization options on the HTC and options for functionality that the iPhone should give but doesn't (for example, using the phone as a removable drive, etc.) a lot of these options are things that I felt wouldn't be used that often.

Both are great phones, but I would personally advise the iPhone for most users.

EPM

Android 2.1 alerts for app updates in the market place alright.

I had a HTC Desire and I now have an iPhone 4. I was intent on getting another Desire when signing up to a new contract (other one met a very wet end:o) but they were sold out. I didnt fancy any of the other options so just went for the iPhone.

For music the iPhone is light years ahead obviously. The HTC is a bit slow and clunky. The Apps on the iPhone have far better user interfaces than the android ones but this will no doubt improve in the coming months - the Android Marketplace is really taking off. Both are really solid in the hand, the Desire is easier to hold due to the texturized rubber back.

If you are into modding your phone there is a very high level of customization with an android phone. Even stock out of the box you can do more. 7 homescreens full of widgets means you rarely need to delve into the phone menu. The screen and camera on the iPhone are better imo and it also has a front facing camera.

Another big one for me is the ability to make skype calls on the iPhone which I was unable to do on the Desire. I'm still in the novelty phase with the iPhone so probably bad to compare battery life with the desire but I think the battery with my use would fare out better on the Desire. But the iPhone charges a lot quicker.

I couldn't really chose between the two to be honest. If you can find a Desire you wont be disappointed but you wont really be short changed iof you go for the iPhone 4.

corklad32

Sc@recrow wrote: »

but I wish I could customize it with gadgets etc the way that android does.

Check this out - lockinfo - i think its quite cool on the lockscreen

Blazer

corklad32 wrote: »

Check this out - lockinfo - i think its quite cool on the lockscreen

is this an app? can't find it anywhere on the app store..either here or the US..

ah..it's a app on clydia...have to wait till 4.1 to jailbreak mine

Abelloid

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Well, what did your friends say?

What do ou want from a phone?

This is a very good question. In was buying a 3GS but on closer scrutiny decided drag and drop file management (from any computer, Windows XP, 7 & and Linux), and freedom to customise were important features and so went for the Desire.

chrislad

corklad32 wrote: »

Check this out - lockinfo - i think its quite cool on the lockscreen

In all fairness, would it kill Apple to do this? It's hardly a massive effort on their part.

Mick990

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Well, what did your friends say?

What do ou want from a phone?

To be honest i was looking for an iphone for the music for podcasts and easy access to net and email. I was just wondering was the desire better . Thank you to everyone for your help but i think i might have been right the first time and stick with the iphone.
The case for the htc is a good one but to be honest i don't think i would be too into the customising and that plus the skype option is very good as i have lots of relatives abroad

Thanks again peeps

CiDeRmAn

The Desire is dead now anyways, no more new stocks, a similarly priced handset, the Desire HD is on the way, using a Super LCD screen instead of the OLED (as they ran out of the expensive latter and are going with the almost as good, and a lot cheaper, former), it has a better camera too, allowing true HD video recording.
The screen is to be bigger too, 4.3" compared to 3.7".
Looks like the phone will close the gap on the iphone4 in terms of tech, but the problems of apps remains, there simply isn't yet the support for popular apps on the marketplace, if your mate has an app on his iphone and you want it for your Desire, then you often will have to make do with a clone or nothing of the app in question.

I stand corrected, it looks like there will be another Desire phone from HTC, the Desire Z, this time with specs more similar to the original Desire but with the inclusion of a slide out qwerty keyboard, perfect for the Blackberry owners out there!

Abelloid

Mick990 wrote: »

To be honest i was looking for an iphone for the music for podcasts and easy access to net and email. I was just wondering was the desire better . Thank you to everyone for your help but i think i might have been right the first time and stick with the iphone.
The case for the htc is a good one but to be honest i don't think i would be too into the customising and that plus the skype option is very good as i have lots of relatives abroad

Thanks again peeps

You aren't restricted to using itunes, you can use any computer to drag and drop files. That was very big factor in my decision, plus if you use Google more than Apple products it is the obvious choice.

mad muffin

Get the HTC Desire if you want to tinker with every single setting and micro manage the device.

Get the desire if you want an AMOLED screen that is practically useless in the outdoors in the sun, and has fuzzy text and poor colour reproduction (gray can look more like pink etc.) due to the pentile matrix technology Samsung uses.

Get the Desire you you aren't really interested in apps and don't mind a poor media player.

Get the Desire if you don't mind limited support from HTC when it comes to upgrading it to the latest and greatest Android OS.

if you aren't interested in games on the phone at all, not even a little bit get the Desire.

If the camera quality isn't a concern, get the Desire.

If you don't mind a practically useless loud speaker, get the Desire.


Otherwise get the iP4.

quad_red

As I posted here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=67342474#post67342474

"I moved from an iPhone 3G to a Desire in April... for a month.

For it's irritations, the UI of the iPhone is so more seamlessly polished than anything else out there. I found the Desire UI incredibly zippy (thanks to the snapdragon cpu) but it wasn't as intuitive, it was buggy and it made me appreciate what I had with the iPhone.

So I sold the Desire on adverts and upgraded my 3G to a 3GS solving most of my issues with the 3G (sluggishness).

My two cents is try out a Desire if you can before getting rid of your iphone."

tigershould

probably the wrong forum to be asking about this comparison

this is the apple corner so you're gonna get lots of praise for the iphone

and rightly so.

iphone was the game changer (since 2007) and therefore has a headstart on all others, they're all playing catch up.

the HTC (and Android) is probably the first device that comes anywhere near close to the iphone experience.

i dont own a htc but have played around on a friends and the touchscreen and UI is smooth but not as smooth as iphone.

i hate the idea of sd cards, very happy with 16Gb of internal memory.

if want the best for Music and Internet - thats the iphone. (IMO)

Abelloid

tigershould wrote: »

if want the best for Music and Internet - thats the iphone. (IMO)

Have to disagree with you there - with Android you are free to choose any browser (with a range of add-ons) and any media player to suit your needs, so it's very difficult to compare the two.

jeromeof

JustinOval wrote: »

Have to disagree with you there - with Android you are free to choose any browser (with a range of add-ons) and any media player to suit your needs, so it's very difficult to compare the two.

There are also lots of browsers for the iPhone. Opera and Atomic are 2 of my favourite alternatives. The Atomic one behaves more like Chrome or Firefox with lots of extensions built-in, like Adblocking, user-agent spoofing, private browsing, extra multi-touch options. While on Android you are free to choose a different browser as the default browser. The core of all these browsers is WebKit so capabilities are very similar, though I have found that more websites recognise iPhones and present nice touch friendly interfaces rather than just some generic "mobile" interface.

Inquitus

mad muffin wrote: »

Get the Desire you you aren't really interested in apps and don't mind a poor media player.

There's an Android App for everything there is on the iPhone pretty much these days, you are living in the past. And how about a media player that plays all your formats and doesn't require you to convert to mp4 format which noone really uses.

mad muffin wrote: »

Get the Desire if you don't mind limited support from HTC when it comes to upgrading it to the latest and greatest Android OS.

HTC gave us Froyo within a couple of weeks of it being rolled out officially by Google to the Nexus One.

mad muffin wrote: »

if you aren't interested in games on the phone at all, not even a little bit get the Desire.

Angry Birds makes its HTC Desire debut today. Android is the future, outselling iPhones by massive quantities with over 200k activations per day. Gaming is improving on a daily basis.

mad muffin wrote: »

If the camera quality isn't a concern, get the Desire.

If you want a better Camera than the iPhone 4, get a Samsung Galaxy S, Android gives you choice.

If you want to use your phone as an internet tether, for your ipad perhaps, without having to pay out additional money, get a HTC Desire.

If you want a notification system thats not from the 1900's, get a HTC Desire.

If you want access to the full internet, get a HTC Desire.

If you want a phone that fully integrates with your google online life, get a HTC Desire

Abelloid

Regarding the camera quality, at first I did think the Desire wasn't great, but having found a hardware fault which is now fixed I'm very happy with the picture quality.

JLarsen

mad muffin wrote: »

Get the HTC Desire if you want to tinker with every single setting and micro manage the device.

Get the desire if you want an AMOLED screen that is practically useless in the outdoors in the sun, and has fuzzy text and poor colour reproduction (gray can look more like pink etc.) due to the pentile matrix technology Samsung uses.

Get the Desire you you aren't really interested in apps and don't mind a poor media player.

Get the Desire if you don't mind limited support from HTC when it comes to upgrading it to the latest and greatest Android OS.

if you aren't interested in games on the phone at all, not even a little bit get the Desire.

If the camera quality isn't a concern, get the Desire.

If you don't mind a practically useless loud speaker, get the Desire.


Otherwise get the iP4.

Aside from stating that everything above is blatantly untrue and borderline ridiculous, here goes:

1. If you like a locked down OS with little to no options for customization, get the iPhone 4.

2. If you like having to get a separate subscription to tether your iPhone to your iPad, get the iPhone 4.

3. If you like square boxes in a 4x4 grid, get the iPhone 4

4. If you like your iPod Touch charger not working on your iPhone and your iPhone charger not working on your iPad, get the iPhone 4

5. If you love converting all your videos to .mp4 (or only ever want/have that format), get the iPhone 4

6. If you love iTunes in all it's bloated glory, get the iPhone 4

7. If you love paying through the roof for a iPhone plan (rather than the normal, much cheaper smartphone plans), get the iPhone 4

Otherwise, feel free to select any phone of your liking in the big assortment that is Android. I'm sure you'll find just the right phone for you.

Abelloid

Ooh, and the Widgets, can't forget the Widgets.

wayne040576

Inquitus wrote: »

There's an Android App for everything there is on the iPhone pretty much these days, you are living in the past. And how about a media player that plays all your formats and doesn't require you to convert to mp4 format which noone really uses.



HTC gave us Froyo within a couple of weeks of it being rolled out officially by Google to the Nexus One.



Angry Birds makes its HTC Desire debut today. Android is the future, outselling iPhones by massive quantities with over 200k activations per day. Gaming is improving on a daily basis.



If you want a better Camera than the iPhone 4, get a Samsung Galaxy S, Android gives you choice.

If you want to use your phone as an internet tether, for your ipad perhaps, without having to pay out additional money, get a HTC Desire.

If you want a notification system thats not from the 1900's, get a HTC Desire.

If you want access to the full internet, get a HTC Desire.

If you want a phone that fully integrates with your google online life, get a HTC Desire

One very quick point. The Samsung galaxy S allows wifi tethering out of the box with 2.1. I use it with the ipad all the time.

I don't have to connect my phone to the computer anymore. If I want podcasts, I have an app that subscribes to them and downloads the latest one each day.

If I want new music on it, I connect to my computer upstairs over the network with the file browser and copy the files over to the phone. Having the iphone shackled to the one machine with iTunes was a pain.

RasTa

Desire and it's not even close.

cruizer22b

Im also torn between the Desire and the new I Phone.

Can someone tell me if I can put movies onto the Desire and hook the phone up to a TV to watch them ?

hidinginthebush

cruizer22b wrote: »

Im also torn between the Desire and the new I Phone.

Can someone tell me if I can put movies onto the Desire and hook the phone up to a TV to watch them ?

I don't think you can with the desire, but I am pretty sure you can with the Galaxy



EDIT: Also, as far as I can see, Desire's are pretty much rare as hen's teeth these days. Best of luck getting one!

jeromeof

Couple of points (and I use both an Android phone and an iPhone):

1. The better Apps are still available for the iPhone. (iPhone wins)
In every other country but ireland it seems, Android Market has a chance to be as good as the iPhone, but without the commercial Apps it doesn't stand a chance in comparison to the AppStore. Especially when you don't mind paying €0.79 for an actual great game, there are lots of crappy free games on both markets. It great to see Angry birds coming to Android, but really that is just one of the tremendous games available on the iPhone.
And you get access to these games without having to Root/Jailbreak your Phone.
But I agree Android has a tremendous future, it is selling more iPhones but mainly in America where the iPhone is on a crappy network and people have been craving for that "smartphone" goodness, which Android can now provide. I.e. it is a very viable alternative.

2. The Desire's camera is not better. (iPhone wins)
The iPhone camera is significantly better quality than any of the current generation of Android phones. The HDR option added the other day makes it even better. Cameras are not necessarily about the specifications. Also, the iPhone takes 720p video (which only the Samsung does now I believe).

3. The browser is better on Android, but only if you disable flash (or at least make it optional). (Android wins just)
The extra CPU of the desire makes it that little bit faster. But the Galaxy seemed to lag a little, but I believe that might be fixed with the latest FroYo release.
Flash on Mobile is a one of those "technical" features which look great on paper, can work well in particular situations but mostly you want to access the HTML5 optimised version of a particular website instead.

4. The multitasking implementation: (Tie - depends on the user)
I think the iPhone's ones work better for the general user (as does most of the OS) but the Android's multitasking is more powerful, but you have to "manage" it carefully.

5. Widgets (Android wins)
Widgets can be great, especially when you first get your Android phone but I found you end up wanting them less and less of them over time. They also use up the CPU a little too much. Still you will like them to start with.

6. Video Support / Codec (Tie)
This is a non-arguement (shows some people ignorance) as Apple have allowed lots of video players since the 3GS to play AVI, MKV. These also work basically in the same way as Android, plug the phone into the computer, the "dreaded iTunes" popup's, find the App listed and drag drop any videos you want to play onto that App. But the best option (and I couldn't find a suitable Android equivalent) is AirVideo, which just streams / transcodes any video to the iPhone from my home network collection, I can even access this via 3G and watch videos that way. I tried sharing a network drive with video content with Android, but none of the App worked as well as AirVideo, they either stuttered, had significant delays and would not work when I was away from my house.

7. Customisation / User Interface in general (Tie)
I find the customisation only goes skin deep. So you can make your Android phone homescreens look fantastic, once you go into any application it doesn't apply. The "general" android application is very inconsistent and doesn't work or look as nice as an iPhone application. So, the overall experience of using an iPhone is nicer, but at a top level glance Android can be made nicer.

8. Tethering (Android wins)
Wifi tethering is a great feature of Android, the iPhone only has tethering via USB. In general I find USB tethering is preferable as it charges the phone at the same time, but if you have an iPad then wifi tethering is fantastic.

9. Screen (Tie)
The iPhone screens is incredible nice and detailed and has better specification but the Android screen size if bigger, so depending on which you feel is more important for you. Best to actually look at an comparison in a store as the Desire/Galaxy screen is excellent and lots of the detail on the iPhone screen is so small it is almost invisible.

10. Music/Media (iPhone)
While you can play music on Android phone (and in some cases dropping music onto a SD card is a nice option), the iTunes music management and the IPod application on the iPhone is just a superior experience. I really like the integrated audiobooks, iTunes University courses easily available.

So, this is my opinion from using both devices extensively. The are very close, but it depends on what is important to you. I have excluded rooting/jailbreaking here, if you root your Android you can at least get other paid applications (and alternative Androids builds), so that bring Android nearly level with some Apps, but also if you jailbreak the iPhone, you get Widgets and Tethering (and even Flash).

If I was recommending to a friend, if there were tech savvy and like fiddling/customising things then it is Android all the way, if on the other hand they are less interested in the technology and more about the overall experience (i.e. not interesting in customising the experience) then it would be the iPhone.

Inquitus

jeromeof wrote: »

Snip.

HTC Desire got 720p in the Froyo update a month or 2 ago. Most people favouring the iPhone seem to be completely ignorant of Android. Though I would say phones make **** camcorders as they have no optical zoom and a ridiculously unworkable field of view, 720p is a gimmick unless you spend alot of time recording subjects less than 3ft away, when it works fine.

viclemronny

JLarsen wrote: »

5. If you love converting all your videos to .mp4 (or only ever want/have that format), get the iPhone 4

Or you could just play xvids on your iphone with OPlayer. There's a free version and a paid version with some extra functionality(I assume, the free version has been fine for me so far).

jeromeof

Inquitus wrote: »

HTC Desire got 720p in the Froyo update a month or 2 ago. Most people favouring the iPhone seem to be completely ignorant of Android. Though I would say phones make **** camcorders as they have no optical zoom and a ridiculously unworkable field of view, 720p is a gimmick unless you spend alot of time recording subjects less than 3ft away, when it works fine.

Yes, forgot about the FroYo update, it was just rolling out when I was playing with the Desire. Has this rolled out across all operators in ireland yet? I heard that O2 and Vodafone still didn't their branded FroYo release for the desire, so it would require rooting your desire if you were an O2 or Vodafone customer. Meteor were fine as they used the default non-branded version of FroYo. I didn't want rooting or jailbreaking to come into this comparison as that would probably favour the iPhone more.

Also, I don't think you read my comments fully, I wasn't favouring one over the other just pointing out what i feel are the main comparision areas, both phones ended up with equal scores. So, if you feel I am favouring the iPhone because I rated it equal to Android, you really belong in the Android forum.


As for the picture quality, I had both phones on holidays this summer and the quality of the images from the iPhone were noticable better. And more surprisingly the 720p video was amazing, especially of scenery, I didn't miss the zoom capability at all as it was with me all the time, rather than having to bring my camcorder out with me also.

Abelloid

jeromeof wrote: »

Yes, forgot about the FroYo update, it was just rolling out when I was playing with the Desire. Has this rolled out across all operators in ireland yet? I heard that O2 and Vodafone still didn't their branded FroYo release for the desire, so it would require rooting your desire if you were an O2 or Vodafone customer. Meteor were fine as they used the default non-branded version of FroYo. I didn't want rooting or jailbreaking to come into this comparison as that would probably favour the iPhone more.

02 seem to be lagging behind on the update, not sure about Vodafone.

mad muffin

Inquitus wrote: »

There's an Android App for everything there is on the iPhone pretty much these days, you are living in the past. And how about a media player that plays all your formats and doesn't require you to convert to mp4 format which noone really uses.



HTC gave us Froyo within a couple of weeks of it being rolled out officially by Google to the Nexus One.



Angry Birds makes its HTC Desire debut today. Android is the future, outselling iPhones by massive quantities with over 200k activations per day. Gaming is improving on a daily basis.



If you want a better Camera than the iPhone 4, get a Samsung Galaxy S, Android gives you choice.

If you want to use your phone as an internet tether, for your ipad perhaps, without having to pay out additional money, get a HTC Desire.

If you want a notification system thats not from the 1900's, get a HTC Desire.

If you want access to the full internet, get a HTC Desire.

If you want a phone that fully integrates with your google online life, get a HTC Desire

JLarsen wrote: »

Aside from stating that everything above is blatantly untrue and borderline ridiculous, here goes:

1. If you like a locked down OS with little to no options for customization, get the iPhone 4.

2. If you like having to get a separate subscription to tether your iPhone to your iPad, get the iPhone 4.

3. If you like square boxes in a 4x4 grid, get the iPhone 4

4. If you like your iPod Touch charger not working on your iPhone and your iPhone charger not working on your iPad, get the iPhone 4

5. If you love converting all your videos to .mp4 (or only ever want/have that format), get the iPhone 4

6. If you love iTunes in all it's bloated glory, get the iPhone 4

7. If you love paying through the roof for a iPhone plan (rather than the normal, much cheaper smartphone plans), get the iPhone 4

Otherwise, feel free to select any phone of your liking in the big assortment that is Android. I'm sure you'll find just the right phone for you.

Rubbish. Absolute rubbish.

Enjoy your crappy Android.:rolleyes:

Zapp Brannigan

mad muffin wrote: »

Rubbish. Absolute rubbish.

Enjoy your crappy Android.:rolleyes:

It's these kind of responses that make people hate fanboys.

At least elaborate on why it's completely rubbish.

As for myself, I'm currently an Android user but considering the switch to iPhone as the customization of Android isn't something that I really care about and iPhone seems the more polished platform.

mad muffin

Zapp Brannigan wrote: »

It's these kind of responses that make people hate fanboys.

At least elaborate on why it's completely rubbish.

As for myself, I'm currently an Android user but considering the switch to iPhone as the customization of Android isn't something that I really care about and iPhone seems the more polished platform.

I don't have to elaborate anything, I already posted it all in my initial post.

And don't you start throwing around the fanboy card.

Android was and will always be a polished turd. First Google was going to try and clone Blackberries, when Apple introduced the iPhone in 2007 Google decided that that was the future.

All the Android phones bought from networks are beholden to them just like any other phone is.

Apple decided to remove the shackles. I would rather be closed to Apple then beholden to the networks.

I get a good two years support from Apple and then partial support for the third year. Good luck with that on Android.

the HTC desire is already history for HTC as they abandon it and are now looking at a new device.

Zapp Brannigan

My Hero (bought from Meteor) is simfree?

I think my use of fanboy is perfectly justified from reading your posts. Obviously you're gonna defend the platform of your choice, especially considering the cost, but you just seem ridiculously one-sided in your arguments.

mad muffin

Zapp Brannigan wrote: »

My Hero (bought from Meteor) is simfree?

I think my use of fanboy is perfectly justified from reading your posts. Obviously you're gonna defend the platform of your choice, especially considering the cost, but you just seem ridiculously one-sided in your arguments.

Great enjoy Your Hero running 1.5

Zapp Brannigan

No, it's running 2.1

mad muffin

Zapp Brannigan wrote: »

No, it's running 2.1

Wooooo...big applause.

After how long? It is newer than the iPhone 3G yet it will not even get 2.2

HTC just couldn't care less.

vinnycoyne

Less of the childish responses, folks. Keep it civil or don't bother posting at all.

jeromeof

Zapp Brannigan wrote: »

No, it's running 2.1

I imagine it is only running 2.1 because you bought one from Meteor. Meteor are much more open when it comes to Android handsets. You can basically take the standard HTC OTA, with the other operators you have to wait for them to get a customised/branded version (if they even bother) before you get the update.

While I like Android and I see a great future, at the moment it is this dependency/fragmentation that is really a shame. Basically, Google make a cool new release, demo it to everyone, get everyone excited, then we wait for the HTC/Samsung etc. to produce their version of the google version, then we wait again for the operators to take the HTC/Samsung version and further customise it. This is the point someone was making a little while ago, with Apple you get the release immediately, you are independent of the operators (except possible in America where AT&T seem to block Apple releasing features that limit their network). I am already running 4.1 on my iPhone4 while I am stuck with 2.1 on my Android, even though FroYo was released months ago.

The other point being made earlier was the support, I sold my on iPhone 3G a month or so ago (a 2 year old iPhone for Eur250), it had the latest version 4.0.1 (at that time) and was as good as new. The HTC hero only came out in ireland last November timeframe and won't be getting any more updates (unless you root it and put something like CyanogenMod on it to get 2.2), it is already out of date. What will it be worth after 2 years?

I believe google will get this right (possible with 3.0), basically separate the User Interface skins/tweeks from the core OS and separate the core OS properly from the Kernel. Allow these to independently released. The Kernel responsiblity should be the manufacturer (e.g. HTC), the core OS should be Google and the Skins/Tweeks could be pushed by the Operators (or manufacturers or third parties). Allow the user to choose when/if he wants these updates, then you have a truely open OS. I am not 100% sure that google will every be this open, they seemed to have turn a little evil recently. Example, agreeing with Verizon that it is ok to snoop on mobile customers.

Zapp Brannigan

Hey don't get me wrong I'm, in all likelihood, going to own an iPhone 4 in a few weeks, but I'm just saying don't count out Android as a decent platform.

Nonoperational

Use both and see which you prefer. I have a jailbroken iPhone 4 and I find it pretty much perfect. I have used a desire too and it's a good phone but there will probably be an updated model soon so I wouldn't be buying one right now.

jay93

Zapp Brannigan wrote: »

Hey don't get me wrong I'm, in all likelihood, going to own an iPhone 4 in a few weeks, but I'm just saying don't count out Android as a decent platform.

spot on it is a very decent platform and if i had the choice id go with android over an iphone mainly because of all these issues with the iphone 4 like the signal issue and steve jobs best solution is free bumper cases wtf??i wouldnt be happy with that if i had a iphone 4 they should fix the hardware issue with the antennae on the iphone tbh:rolleyes::rolleyes: