diesel with decent MPG??

Melloh

Hi Guys,

I currently drive 2005 Peugeot 307 1.4l petrol but I now commute 100 miles a day to work (most of which is on motorway). I get approx. 43 MPG but the cost of petrol is killing me. Any advice on a diesel motor? Is this the way to go?

I could stretch to maybe €7-8,000 for the car(incl the trade-in). Hatchbacks are a preference of mine but just generally looking for some solid advice.


Cheers

cjmcork

Op, I've an 07 diesel mondeo (old model) - do about 800kms per week - getting 50 - 55mpg out of it.

tombull82

How about a 08~09 Peugeot 308 1.6l Hdi ?? I believe these are great on fuel and your sticking close to what you know.

Seweryn

Melloh wrote: »

Hi Guys,

I currently drive 2005 Peugeot 307 1.4l petrol but I now commute 100 miles a day to work (most of which is on motorway). I get approx. 43 MPG but the cost of petrol is killing me. Any advice on a diesel motor? Is this the way to go?
Cheers

It looks like almost any Diesel would do better. I dive a 20-year old Mercedes Estate (2.5 Diesel) and she does around 45 mpg. My second half drives a 17-year old 190D and she does over 50 mpg.
But bear in mind some service and repair costs of modern Diesels - they may be very expensive on the long run.

Shane732

Seweryn wrote: »

It looks like almost any Diesel would do better. I dive a 20-year old Mercedes Estate (2.5 Diesel) and she does around 45 mpg. My second half drives a 17-year old 190D and she does over 50 mpg.
But bear in mind some service and repair costs of modern Diesels - they may be very expensive on the long run.

Get some new cars!!

Seweryn

Shane732 wrote: »

Get some new cars!!

And scrap the Good ones .

dr.fuzzenstein

Shane732 wrote: »

Get some new cars!!

Yes, don't you know that Irish law requires you to drive tin cans no more than 3 years old or Gormley will kill the kitten!

bazz26

Ford Focus TDCi:
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http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201025198501766

Seweryn

Seweryn wrote: »

It looks like almost any Diesel would do better. I dive a 20-year old Mercedes Estate (2.5 Diesel) and she does around 45 mpg.

I had a 1992 250d that averaged 37mpg and was dog slow. Averaging 43mpg from a 1.4 petrol isn't too bad. You'll be a good few years recouping the cost to trade etc.

Some rough figures, let's say you do 550 miles a week, at petrol being €1.32/litre that's €77 ish a week on petrol.

Get a diesel that averages 55mpg, let's say you can buy diesel at €1.26/litre that's €57 ish a week on diesel.

Switching to diesel to save €20 a week on fuel costs ?

How long have you had the 307 and what did you pay for it ? How much do you think it's worth now. If you're looking at a cost to change of a good few thousand to buy a car that will save you €20/week I'd class that as madness to be honest.

The only way it makes any sense is the trade to a diesel for say €2000 and the 307 and hope that you have no DMF or injector trouble with the new purchase.

Tea 1000

RoverJames wrote: »

I had a 1992 250d that averaged 37mpg and was dog slow. Averaging 43mpg from a 1.4 petrol isn't too bad. You'll be a good few years recouping the cost to trade etc.

Some rough figures, let's say you do 550 miles a week, at petrol being €1.32/litre that's €77 ish a week on petrol.

Get a diesel that averages 55mpg, let's say you can buy diesel at €1.26/litre that's €57 ish a week on diesel.

Switching to diesel to save €20 a week on fuel costs ?

How long have you had the 307 and what did you pay for it ? How much do you think it's worth now. If you're looking at a cost to change of a good few thousand to buy a car that will save you €20/week I'd class that as madness to be honest.

The only way it makes any sense is the trade to a diesel for say €2000 and the 307 and hope that you have no DMF or injector trouble with the new purchase.

A big plus one on this. You'd swear that petrol stations pay people to fill up with diesel, such is the rush to buy diesel.
It's cheaper to keep your current car than spend money hoping to save money.

Melloh

cheers guys,

maybe going for diesel wont do much for my pocket - is that the general consensus?

Mr Benevolent

Melloh wrote: »

cheers guys,

maybe going for diesel wont do much for my pocket - is that the general consensus?

Going for diesel will help your running costs but running costs will pale into insignificance compared to cost to change. If 43mpg is killing you then 53mpg and 3k from your bank account will definitely give you a major heart attack. You have to be realistic, running costs aren't much of a a factor compared to tax, insurance and depreciation.

johndaman66

RoverJames wrote: »

I had a 1992 250d that averaged 37mpg and was dog slow. Averaging 43mpg from a 1.4 petrol isn't too bad. You'll be a good few years recouping the cost to trade etc.

Some rough figures, let's say you do 550 miles a week, at petrol being €1.32/litre that's €77 ish a week on petrol.

Get a diesel that averages 55mpg, let's say you can buy diesel at €1.26/litre that's €57 ish a week on diesel.

Switching to diesel to save €20 a week on fuel costs ?

How long have you had the 307 and what did you pay for it ? How much do you think it's worth now. If you're looking at a cost to change of a good few thousand to buy a car that will save you €20/week I'd class that as madness to be honest.

The only way it makes any sense is the trade to a diesel for say €2000 and the 307 and hope that you have no DMF or injector trouble with the new purchase.

Need to totally agree with this. Many people reckon a diesel is the answer as they are saving on fuel and yet fail to see the bigger picture. Remeber if going for an older diesel model that engine capacity is most likely going to be larger than the equivalent petrol model so quite often it will take a good few weeks in the year to recoup this extra road tax cost against your savings in term of fuel costs.

Granted there are other considerations but I reckon you need to be seriously racking up the miles befor you make any significant savings. Then if you need to go the garage you can probably kiss them savings goodbye in one fell swoop!

shedweller

True, the cost of changing will out trump any fuel savings. But if you are going to change your car anyway, you might as well get something that will save enough to tax the car at least.
And if i had an '05 peugeot, i'd be looking to trade it in!
I've had three french cars and had a lot of expensive trouble with all of them. Currently driving two japanese cars, both diesel, with no trouble at all, touch wood.

bazz26

shedweller wrote: »

True, the cost of changing will out trump any fuel savings. But if you are going to change your car anyway, you might as well get something that will save enough to tax the car at least.
And if i had an '05 peugeot, i'd be looking to trade it in!
I've had three french cars and had a lot of expensive trouble with all of them. Currently driving two japanese cars, both diesel, with no trouble at all, touch wood.

Certain Japanese cars use French diesel engines.

BlackWizard

Sell your car privately and buy an old 530d

It would be soooo nice if we paid tax on fuel instead of the vehicle. Although in the OPs case he might end up paying the same amount as a 3+ litre car on the old tax system.

Cost to change outweighs the savings in this scenario.

Maybe you could create a new bank account and lodge 2k into it when you can. Then just use this for petrol? It might not feel so bad then if you have to remove money from your account in one lump sum I hate seeing these 89euro debits from my account every week or two.

Melloh

BlackWizard wrote: »

Maybe you could create a new bank account and lodge 2k into it when you can. Then just use this for petrol? It might not feel so bad then if you have to remove money from your account in one lump sum I hate seeing these 89euro debits from my account every week or two.

tell you what that sounds like a good idea. i hate filling up more than once a week - perhaps its all psychological!

shedweller

bazz26 wrote: »

Certain Japanese cars use French diesel engines.

True, but jap cars are far more reliable anyway.

Bigus

I agree with all opinions here
but also what will really kill the value of any car will be high mileage so the less the car is worth to start the less depreciation you will suffer
so stick with what you have and run it into the ground.

As a help
Maybe next time you're changing tyres go for energy efficient ones with low rolling resistance (3 to 5% gain in mpg) and in the meantime over inflate your tyres slightly and keep an eye on pressures every time you fill up.
Take any excess weight out of the car also ie. golf clubs tools etc
Check out some of the american forums on how to help mpg. ie 99 mpg.com

Funsterdelux

I drive a 1.5Dci Clio van, I'm able to get 70+ MPG, when there isnt too much weight in it.

shamwari

bazz26 wrote: »

Certain Japanese cars use French diesel engines.

You mean certain French cars masquerade as Japanese ones!

BostonB

You can get small diesels too. 1.4D toyota, 1.3 CDTI Opel, Fiat etc. Which is the same/or reduces the cost of tax, insurance. So the only different is the cost to change, and perhaps more frequent servicing than the petrol.

25k a year to commute. Thats a PITA.