PBs ?

JosDel

What would you class as a PB

1. If you got a good time in a training run
2. or does it have to be from a race time

ecoli

JosDel wrote: »

What would you class as a PB

1. If you got a good time in a training run
2. or does it have to be from a race time

Has to be a race. There are alot of rumours of elites doing close to records in training however given that it is not sanctioned by anyone (club, governing body, IAAF) so you are just effectively taking the word of the athlete. Not saying they are lying but you will always get a few

Krusty_Clown

JosDel wrote: »

What would you class as a PB

1. If you got a good time in a training run
2. or does it have to be from a race time

Much debated and argued in the past, so you'll probably end up with an equal distribution of answers, but for me it's gotta be in a race, where the distance is accurate. anything else is just a PTB (personal training best) or a FART PB (failed accuracy race training PB ).

ManFromAtlantis

gotta be on a certified course and race. for me.

RoyMcC

Hats off to anyone that does a PB in training - you're working well.

xebec

Got to be an accurately measured (not necessarily certified) course for me. To be honest, I don't get anywhere near my racing times in training normally.

menoscemo

RoyMcC wrote: »

Hats off to anyone that does a PB in training - you're working well.

+1, anyone who is doing PB's in training is overtraining and Under racing. I personally can't understand it and have always been able to push much harder in races than I could in training.

shels4ever

menoscemo wrote: »

+1, anyone who is doing PB's in training is overtraining and Under racing. I personally can't understand it and have always been able to push much harder in races than I could in training.

may not be under racing just not racing that distance, my 10mile pb was shocking and i'd say i've ran faster then in 10 time in the last year, same with my 10k time.
Pb's are well and good but i'd usually measure myself agains targets and current times then pbs. But i'd never get close to my 5k pb in training .

Krusty_Clown

+1. I haven't raced a half marathon in around 4 or 5 years. I would regularly run a training PB for the distance as part of my marathon training (taking 22+ minutes off of my HM PB), If it counted. Which it doesn't.

BeepBeep67

Yep, gotta to be in a race.
Another question is do you count 'within race' PB's?
Example going through the 10k mark in a HM or the HM mark in a marathon - I personally don't although my only sub 40 10k as an M40 was during a half.

Pherekydes

They are personal bests, so you make the rules. Personally, I would accept training PBs, so long as the distance was accurate. Having said that, you are almost certainly going to run faster in competition.

Regarding en-route PBs, if they're good enough for the Governing bodies, they're good enough for me. Ray Flynn's national 1500m record (now 28 years old) was set in a mile race.

tunney

menoscemo wrote: »

+1, anyone who is doing PB's in training is overtraining and Under racing. I personally can't understand it and have always been able to push much harder in races than I could in training.

Why?

I don't race marathons so my fastest training long run (just over a marathon) is 25 minutes faster than the one marathon race I did 4-5 years ago.

How does that make me overtrained and underraced?

tunney

What about races that are billed as "the fastest" in Ireland but are actually just short? Do they count?

menoscemo

tunney wrote: »

Why?

I don't race marathons so my fastest training long run (just over a marathon) is 25 minutes faster than the one marathon race I did 4-5 years ago.

How does that make me overtrained and underraced?

I am just saying if you raced that distance while you were in shape to set that PB in training, you would (and should) have went even faster.

I often read here about people who run a distance in training one week and race it the next week in a slower time. That I can't understand. I should have qualified ny orevious post- those are the people I would say are either Over trained or under raced.

menoscemo

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

Yep, gotta to be in a race.
Another question is do you count 'within race' PB's?
Example going through the 10k mark in a HM or the HM mark in a marathon - I personally don't although my only sub 40 10k as an M40 was during a half.

I went through 5 miles approximately 30 seconds Faster then my 5 mile PB in a recent 10k race, but I would not count that for a PB. It would have to be set in a 5 mile race for me.

BrokenMan

For me personally it has to be in a race and it has to be for the full race distance. But that's just me personally.

If someone else wants to count their training runs then I don't have any problem wit that

shels4ever

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

Yep, gotta to be in a race.
Another question is do you count 'within race' PB's?
Example going through the 10k mark in a HM or the HM mark in a marathon - I personally don't although my only sub 40 10k as an M40 was during a half.

Thats a hard one too, I would take it from only a race (say 10k) of that distance unless there was some sort of split given or timing at the 5 mile point. Wouldn't ever take a pb from when my garmin hit 5 miles.

I know the national 1500 and mile were run in the same race, and Coe did try to break both once, he missed the 1500 but made the mile record.

ecoli

menoscemo wrote: »

I went through 5 miles approximately 30 seconds Faster then my 5 mile PB in a recent 10k race, but I would not count that for a PB. It would have to be set in a 5 mile race for me.

Im the same i set my knocked off 8 seconds from my 5k en route to my 5m PB however whenever asked about my 5k PB i dont count it (hopefully will change come rathfarnam:D)

Krusty_Clown

Haile Gebrselassie is deemed to have broken the 30k world record during his last Berlin marathon (personally I think he just went out too fast!). Ultra running Ireland also counts a number of Irish records based on split times in other events (100 mile from 24hours, indoor 24hours split from 48 hours).

Wouldn't be a fan myself, bu there ya go..

tunney

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Ultra running Ireland also counts a number of Irish records based on split times in other events (100 mile from 24hours, indoor 24hours split from 48 hours).

Don't records have to be recognised by an NGB though?

Krusty_Clown

tunney wrote: »

Don't records have to be recognised by an NGB though?

NGB? I don't see why they would. Is this to give them something to do after pulling out of of Iraq?

tunney

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

NGB? I don't see why they would. Is this to give them something to do after pulling out of of Iraq?

Nah I meant the "Night Gigolos' Band"

BeepBeep67

Nice Girl's Buns or Non Giro Biker

Tau

My 5k PB is 20:01, run as the last leg of a sprint triathlon. Does this count?

I'd also note that, "certified accurate distance" becomes less of a concern when you're using a Garmin. This is less true for shorter distances.

Krusty_Clown

Tau wrote: »

My 5k PB is 20:01, run as the last leg of a sprint triathlon. Does this count?

I'd also note that, "certified accurate distance" becomes less of a concern when you're using a Garmin. This is less true for shorter distances.

It's a race. It's a measured (accurate?) distance. It would certainly count in my book (not that that is in any way relevant!).

I certainly wouldn't count a Garmin as a substitute for a certified distance.

opus

Think I'd want it to be part of a race as well. In fact, it's the main reason I signed up for the half-marathon in Waterford in Dec when I surprisingly didn't get a PB from my first ever half in Clonmel a few weeks ago (although I did get a PB for 14.29 miles)