Ryanair to pull out of Belfast city airport

milly4ever

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11139463

Very bad news for a lot of people as it is the only affordable route to certain destinations- only option now will be to fly out of Dublin.

Run_to_da_hills

It won't be long before the same thing happens to Shannon.

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/ryanair-threatens-to-ground-flights-in-travel-tax-fight-2318485.html

Cookie_Monster

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056017409

It the right attitude. Airport made promises about runway failed to kepp them so two fingers from Ryanair. The planes will get more use in central Europe anyway. Good news for Dublin too
Aircoach may have been a bit quick to pull their route

Guy:Incognito

How will MOL find a way to blame the DAA?

BenShermin

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056017409

It the right attitude. Airport made promises about runway failed to kepp them so two fingers from Ryanair. The planes will get more use in central Europe anyway. Good news for Dublin too
Aircoach may have been a bit quick to pull their route

It's pathetic attitude CM, if the runway was the REAL issue (which it's not) then why didn't Ryanair pull out of Dublin years ago after so many run-ins with DAA, DoT etc. ???

Just be honest O'Leary, the passenger numbers for Belfast don't add up against Easyjet and you're quitting, but instead of leaving with your tail between your legs you're once again coming up with a bullshíte excuse ie. Runway!

I wonder when we'll hear the same excuse of the €10 travel tax being the reason for O'Leary to pull some Dublin routes during the winter:rolleyes:.

Bluetonic

BenShermin wrote: »

Just be honest O'Leary, the passenger numbers for Belfast don't add up against Easyjet and you're quitting, but instead of leaving with your tail between your legs you're once again coming up with a bullshíte excuse ie. Runway!

Let see the passenger numbers so as you seem to know.

KevR

BenShermin wrote: »

I wonder when we'll hear the same excuse of the €10 travel tax being the reason for O'Leary to pull some Dublin routes during the winter:rolleyes:.

The travel tax + the fact that DAA want to increase landing charges soon (I think when T2 opens).

I really don't understand why the Irish government and the airport authorities are making it more expensive for people to come and visit this country during the worst recession in living memory. We have already seen a drop in the number of tourists visiting Ireland (the government travel tax certainly has not helped this). We are bound to see more flights cut and more jobs lost when Dublin and Shannon increase their landing charges.

Cookie_Monster

BenShermin wrote: »

It's pathetic attitude CM, if the runway was the REAL issue (which it's not) then why didn't Ryanair pull out of Dublin years ago after so many run-ins with DAA, DoT etc. ???

Just be honest O'Leary, the passenger numbers for Belfast don't add up against Easyjet and you're quitting, but instead of leaving with your tail between your legs you're once again coming up with a bullshíte excuse ie. Runway!

I wonder when we'll hear the same excuse of the €10 travel tax being the reason for O'Leary to pull some Dublin routes during the winter:rolleyes:.

they can't even run full plane loads cos the runway is so short, that is taking the piss and there's only so much of that any business will take, especially if stupid planning and bureaucracy is getting in the way for extended period of time cos one resident is kicking up a fuss. MOL knows he can easily fill those planes elsewhere and leave other airlines to take the cost hit of flying to Belfast...

As for Dublin, I'm amazed they still have so much traffic into it considering the cost and total inflexibility of DAA and the Gov. If they didn't have the headquarters here for tax purposes and were not known for being Irish they would not be here, end of.

Slice

KevR wrote: »

I really don't understand why the Irish government and the airport authorities are making it more expensive for people to come and visit this country during the worst recession in living memory. We have already seen a drop in the number of tourists visiting Ireland (the government travel tax certainly has not helped this). We are bound to see more flights cut and more jobs lost when Dublin and Shannon increase their landing charges.

I really don't understand why Ryanair do the same thing by making it more expensive for people to visit the country by charging a €10 handling fee when you book a flight with them...

Run_to_da_hills

Slice wrote: »

I really don't understand why Ryanair do the same thing by making it more expensive for people to visit the country by charging a €10 handling fee when you book a flight with them...

What do you expect when you only have to pay them €8.00 for the fc*king ticket. :rolleyes:

Cookie_Monster

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What do you expect when you only have to pay them €8.00 for the fc*king ticket. :rolleyes:

+1

even with the fee I paid only 2/3rd of what Aer Lingus wanted return to London there the other day. Can't argue with that.

Milan Cobian

Picture the conversation:
O'leary: ****in nordies wont fly with us, stupid bastards, numbers are ****e, pull out and blame someone else.
lackey: we could always move to Belfasts other airport, a longer runway than Dublin and miles from anywhere, like everywhere else we fly to.
ol: you stupid c**t, its not about the ****ing runway, the scrotes wont fly with us, tight nordie ****ers.
lackey: ...but its so far from anywhere, the perfect fit.
ol: **** off and blame travel taxes. The stupid ****ers still haven't copped on that most "taxes" go into our ****in pockets.

Cookie_Monster

Milan Cobian wrote: »

Picture the conversation:
O'leary: ****in nordies wont fly with us, stupid bastards, numbers are ****e, pull out and blame someone else. .

the 800,000 people who flew with the last year alone don't count, do they?

Milan Cobian wrote: »

lackey: we could always move to Belfasts other airport, a longer runway than Dublin and miles from anywhere, like everywhere else we fly to.
ol: you stupid c**t, its not about the ****ing runway, the scrotes wont fly with us, tight nordie ****ers.

the fees they charge will probably be too high for Ryanair to be bothered considering it.

Milan Cobian wrote: »

lackey: ...but its so far from anywhere, the perfect fit.
ol: **** off and blame travel taxes. The stupid ****ers still haven't copped on that most "taxes" go into our ****in pockets.

None of the taxes do, the fees might but the taxes don't and they are very clear about you being charged for each different thing when you are booking with them.

Ryanair don't have to give anyone (except shareholders) a valid reason to pull out of Belfast if they don't want, same as any other company. There are other airlines so its no like Belfast is stuck with an un-used airport and no links...

Slice

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What do you expect when you only have to pay them €8.00 for the fc*king ticket. :rolleyes:

I have never got a flight with Ryanair for €8 ...or are you talking about the price exclusive of unavoidable taxes and charges?

Cookie_Monster

Slice wrote: »

I have never got a flight with Ryanair for €8 ...or are you talking about the price exclusive of unavoidable taxes and charges?

they do 1c flights all the time. Plus €5 online booking fee is €5.01 if paid by whatever the free method is at the moment.

Itys not easy, but is do-able

Milan Cobian

the 800,000 people who flew with the last year alone don't count, do they?

The number is irrelevant when viewed in isolation. More pertinent facts would be, what was the yield and what was the load factor?

the fees they charge will probably be too high for Ryanair to be bothered considering it.

But not too high for Easyjet or Aer Lingus. What you really mean is that at the price level required to make BFS work (and I've no idea if the fees are higher there, that's just speculation on your part), passengers would not be prepared to tolerate ryanairs brand of "service."

None of the taxes do, the fees might but the taxes don't and they are very clear about you being charged for each different thing when you are booking with them.

Really? So explain how airlines with identical airport pairings charge less taxes for the same route.

Obviously Ryanair can (and do) blame anyone from God to a tramp on O'Connell Bridge for any reverses, such is their right, regardless of the ethics involved (none). However, that doesn't mean you have to believe any of it. As Judge Kelly said recently, "ryanair and truth make strange bedfellows."

Bluetonic

Milan Cobian wrote: »

Picture the conversation:
O'leary: ****in nordies wont fly with us, stupid bastards, numbers are ****e, pull out and blame someone else.
lackey: we could always move to Belfasts other airport, a longer runway than Dublin and miles from anywhere, like everywhere else we fly to.
ol: you stupid c**t, its not about the ****ing runway, the scrotes wont fly with us, tight nordie ****ers.
lackey: ...but its so far from anywhere, the perfect fit.
ol: **** off and blame travel taxes. The stupid ****ers still haven't copped on that most "taxes" go into our ****in pockets.

Seriously what sort of a rubbish unfounded post is that?

Run_to_da_hills

Slice wrote: »

I have never got a flight with Ryanair for €8 ...or are you talking about the price exclusive of unavoidable taxes and charges?

I have booked return flights all in to Gatwick for less than €35 and anyone can do the same provided you are not stuck to strict schedual. The only "rip off" part of travelling to London regional airports are the rip off train charges. Luton is not too bad with Easybus if you play your cards right and book in advance.

When I was living in Ennis it was cheaper and quicker for me to fly to London and enjoy a weekend with mates than it was to travel up to Dublin.

Cookie_Monster

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I have booked return flights all in to Gatwick for less than €35 and anyone can do the same provided you are not stuck to strict schedual.

indeed. 111 return for two people Dublin to Stansted is what I got, or 27.75 for each person each way The trip from Stansted to the city is more expensive than that!

KevR

I have got return flights for 2cent, €2, €8, €10 and €20 all inclusive in the past. Obviously you have to be flexible in relation to travel dates/times and I didn't have any checked baggage or any other optional extras. I also avoided the credit card charge by using a Visa Electron (although, I think there is now a charge for Visa Electron and Mastercard Prepaid is the free payment method).

If you have strict travel dates/times, want to bring checked baggage, need travel insurance....etc then it is going to cost more. These are optional extras and not 'hidden charges' as so many people often claim. Also, note that there are no taxes and airport landing charges for some promotional fares (i.e. - the fares I listed above had no taxes or charges).

Milan Cobian

Seriously what sort of a rubbish unfounded post is that?

Humour. Parody. Seriously.
With an undertone of presumption which you would understand if you understood the workings of Ryanair.

parsi

I get a vibe that Barry Kenny was somehow involved in this in order to boost the Enterprise.

Ryanair's main problem these days is that with the recession folk are less likely to jet off for a long weekend. Travel taxes , baggage fees make no real difference if folk just don't have the money for their hotel, their booze etc.

Terrontress

I have flown the BHD - STN route several times for £5stg each way including all taxes, fees and charges.

The Stansted Express train costs three times the flight!

dowlingm

Terrontress wrote: »

I have flown the BHD - STN route several times for £5stg each way including all taxes, fees and charges.

The Stansted Express train costs three times the flight!

How much was the flight including APD, taxes and charges?

Cookie_Monster

dowlingm wrote: »

How much was the flight including APD, taxes and charges?

Terrontress wrote: »

I have flown the BHD - STN route several times for £5stg each way including all taxes, fees and charges.

The Stansted Express train costs three times the flight!

Terrontress

dowlingm wrote: »

How much was the flight including APD, taxes and charges?

£10 return. Got a Post Office prepaid debit card in London. Can't remember what that cost but it was less than one credit card fee for Ryanair to top it up.

Didn't buy a scratchcard, Bullseye Baggie, Saile and Sagba coffee or a panini.

dowlingm

But I thought one of FR's complaints was Air Passenger Duty both ways on a UK internal? Not disputing you Terrontress just trying to work out how it was only a tenner.

KevR

dowlingm wrote: »

But I thought one of FR's complaints was Air Passenger Duty both ways on a UK internal? Not disputing you Terrontress just trying to work out how it was only a tenner.

Ryanair usually sell some seats on each flight where they don't pass on taxes/charges/duty to the passenger. The £5 each way (£10 total) fare that was mentioned by the poster above was probably one of these 'special fares' that don't have any taxes/charges.

Terrontress

KevR wrote: »

Ryanair usually sell some seats on each flight where they don't pass on taxes/charges/duty to the passenger. The £5 each way (£10 total) fare that was mentioned by the poster above was probably one of these 'special fares' that don't have any taxes/charges.

That's it. There are some fares with all extras to be paid, some with only the check in fee and some with nothing to be paid, just the headline rate.

I think this is bad news for Belfast in general.

A Dub in Glasgo

I regularly fly Prestwick to Dublin for prices from £6 return, my next set of flight are below. See this thread about the up and coming sales

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2597811&page=2

GOING OUT

From Glasgow (Prestwick) (PIK) to Dublin (DUB)
Thu, Sep10 Flight FR 777 Depart PIK at 22:25 and arrive DUB at 23:15

COMING BACK

From Dublin (DUB) to Glasgow (Prestwick) (PIK)
Tue, Sep10 Flight FR 778 Depart DUB at 21:10 and arrive PIK at 22:00

PASSENGERS

1. MR  ADT 2. MRS DT 3. MSTR  CHD 4. MSTR  CHD

PAYMENT DETAILS

********24.00 GBP Total Fare

*********0.00 GBP Taxes, Fees & Charges

********24.00 GBP Total Paid

KC61

I think that it would be fair to say that there are certainly indications that Ryanair does seem to be losing some market share and basic volumes have fallen due to the recession. It would also be my opinion that Michael O'Leary is (as he is very good at) coming up with all sorts of reasons for this that involve someone else taking the blame other than Ryanair themselves!

lord lucan

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/rival-airline-increases-belfast-flights-as-ryanair-quits-472136.html

BMI step in to fill some of the breach.