Sport Scholarship

Junior D

I was just wondering what are the chances of me getting a scholarship for hurling at Trinners.

I've been on my county (Kilkenny) team from Under 14 to 17, but didn't go for minor because of studies.

I've played in schools All-Ireland finals and Leinster finals.

I've played on county championship winning sides, although was usually a sub

I'm starting on the team now at Intermediate grade.

Any info appriciated.

brownacid

as far a i know you join the relevant club and then ask them about applying for it. If I recall the scholarship is only about 500 quid but you get a brown hoody so everyone knows you got a sports scholarship. A mate of mine got one for hurling 2 years ago, not sure if he still has it though.

gearoidof

I think there are also pre-entry sports scholarships. No clue how to get one, email ducac

Plebs

brownacid wrote: »

as far a i know you join the relevant club and then ask them about applying for it. If I recall the scholarship is only about 500 quid but you get a brown hoody so everyone knows you got a sports scholarship. A mate of mine got one for hurling 2 years ago, not sure if he still has it though.

Yeah, it used to be at least double that.

It's hardly going to attract division 1 rugby players. We're lucky that a lot of them come to study here anyway, but if they study at Trinity and get a better deal to play at say Landsdowne (or UCD for that matter), then the oldest rugby club in the world will stay bouncing between division 2 and division 3.

Thankfully people are working to resolve all these issues and I understand there's a state-of-the-art rugby surface on the way.

gearoidof

Good, means they won't have as good an excuse not to let other clubs train on it sometimes

BlueCam

Plebs wrote: »

Thankfully people are working to resolve all these issues and I understand there's a state-of-the-art rugby surface on the way.

Where in god's name did you hear that? DUCAC made a massive loss last year due to Pav renovations and it will be a few years yet before they have any money for a major project like that. In addition, the only "state-of-the-art" solution would be a fieldturf pitch, and I cannot see the hallowed rugby club lowering itself to that (because as mentioned, it would mean they have to share with other clubs, which is not in their vocabulary).

It really does ire me that the rugby team complains about playing in a mudbath by November when it is they who create said mudbath by insisting on training on it every day of the week - go find Santry, like you force everyone else to, and leave College Park for games only (and not just your games).

/rant

Plebs

BlueCam wrote: »

Where in god's name did you hear that? DUCAC made a massive loss last year due to Pav renovations and it will be a few years yet before they have any money for a major project like that. In addition, the only "state-of-the-art" solution would be a fieldturf pitch, and I cannot see the hallowed rugby club lowering itself to that (because as mentioned, it would mean they have to share with other clubs, which is not in their vocabulary).

It really does ire me that the rugby team complains about playing in a mudbath by November when it is they who create said mudbath by insisting on training on it every day of the week - go find Santry, like you force everyone else to, and leave College Park for games only (and not just your games).

/rant

In fairness, the rugby club punch well above their weight, have a rich history and a strong old boy network full of high net worth individuals who contribute serious money to the College on a consistent basis.

The fact that there aren't enough facilities for American football, the ultimate frisbee club and the ladies' amateur football club is not DUFC's problem. Were it not for DUFC, the rugby pitch would have been cemented over years ago.

I'm not in favour of dividing the DUCAC budget into 50 equal segments: that would be egalitarianism gone mad. Some clubs are inherently more costly than others (e.g. the price of a frisbee vs. the cost of a new sailing boat). Also, some clubs have a richer history and are more university orientated. We can't accomodate every sport, so we should prioritise those that contribute most to college's reputation: that means excellence.

If you want to keep fit and have a body beautiful for your two weeks in the sun, Jacky Skelly would be more than willing to accommodate you. I don't see why the taxpayer should fork out.

BlueCam

Plebs wrote: »

In fairness, the rugby club punch well above their weight

Plebs wrote: »

the oldest rugby club in the world will stay bouncing between division 2 and division 3.

Indeed.

gearoidof

Plebs wrote: »

The fact that there aren't enough facilities for American football, the ultimate frisbee club and the ladies' amateur football club is not DUFC's problem. Were it not for DUFC, the rugby pitch would have been cemented over years ago.

I'm not in favour of dividing the DUCAC budget into 50 equal segments: that would be egalitarianism gone mad. Some clubs are inherently more costly than others (e.g. the price of a frisbee vs. the cost of a new sailing boat). Also, some clubs have a richer history and are more university orientated. We can't accomodate every sport, so we should prioritise those that contribute most to college's reputation: that means excellence.

American Football isn't a DUCAC affiliated club. And if more clubs had access to the rugby pitch, it would be even harder to cement it over, surely?

On some clubs needing more money than others, that's completely true. But rugby don't have any massive costs associated with them, so they should get as much as any other club.
Optimally, there should be a transparent funding system, where clubs are given a certain amount of money to cover their current expenditure, and capital expenditure is dealt with on a case by case basis. Rowing are given €50k a year...
That said, I think DUCAC have improved on equality recently.

Plebs

gearoidof wrote: »

American Football isn't a DUCAC affiliated club. And if more clubs had access to the rugby pitch, it would be even harder to cement it over, surely?

On some clubs needing more money than others, that's completely true. But rugby don't have any massive costs associated with them, so they should get as much as any other club.
Optimally, there should be a transparent funding system, where clubs are given a certain amount of money to cover their current expenditure, and capital expenditure is dealt with on a case by case basis. Rowing are given €50k a year...
That said, I think DUCAC have improved on equality recently.

Your equality ideology isn't something that everyone aspires to.

gearoidof

Plebs wrote: »

Your equality ideology isn't something that everyone aspires to.

I can't imagine that anyone getting more than their fair share would.

Mountain_Surfer

gearoidof wrote: »

American Football isn't a DUCAC affiliated club. And if more clubs had access to the rugby pitch, it would be even harder to cement it over, surely?

On some clubs needing more money than others, that's completely true. But rugby don't have any massive costs associated with them, so they should get as much as any other club.
Optimally, there should be a transparent funding system, where clubs are given a certain amount of money to cover their current expenditure, and capital expenditure is dealt with on a case by case basis. Rowing are given €50k a year...
That said, I think DUCAC have improved on equality recently.

Yes Dublin University Boat Club may receive a large amount of funding each year, but the majority of that funding comes from their tightly knit network of old boys and not directly from DUCAC.

The Boat club is an extremely expensive club to run as the cost of a new scull (the smallest type of boat, for one person, the club uses) is a few thousand, let alone any of the big boats.

When I was an oarsman we had to pay for all of our accommodation and travel ourselves as we received no funding form DUCAC. We had no problem doing this as we loved the sport and loved the fact that we could represent Trinity at the highest level in Irish rowing.

Basically what I'm saying that throwing in that highlighted sentence in your comment was unnecessary and misleading.

Back to the issue at hand.. Have you researched the Cadburys u21 GAA scholarships? Dont know much about them though but I know they put students through college, would definitely be worth a look. A good friend of mine was on the Trinity Sport Scholarship for 2 years for hockey and received 2 installments of about 500 (can't remember exactly) quid each per year.

As earlier posters said your best bet is to talk to DUCAC about the issue as they will be in a better position than any of us to advise you.

It is a fantastic honour to be awarded one of these scholarships so I wish you the best of luck for it.

P.S. Come on Tipp!:D

Groinshot

First of all, OP it's tough to get a scholarship for any sport in college, but you never know.

gearoidof wrote: »

Optimally, there should be a transparent funding system, where clubs are given a certain amount of money to cover their current expenditure, and capital expenditure is dealt with on a case by case basis. Rowing are given €50k a year...
That said, I think DUCAC have improved on equality recently.

Not true. Rowing were given under 40k last year, ask DUCAC for the books if you care enough (they argue, but you're entitled to see it) most of DUBC's funding comes from alumni (as has been said already) and it costs us ****loads to travel to events. We pay for our own transport to blessington (works out at 2-3 euro a week each during the winter, a tenner during summer) we pay for our own transport to regattas, pay for our own accommodation- we're doing a training camp in a few weeks, we pay for it ourselves. All our coaches are voluntary, and the boats cost thousands to buy. a decent quality single scull (one person) is about 7500, a set of oars is about 600 euro, taht'sone person. For an 8, the average cost is about 35-40000 new, along with about 750-800 euro an oar (multiplied by 8 gives you about 6300 euro ish) and the boats get used 7 days a week, transported all over the country. Insurance bills are colossal too... (know about this from committee meetings from my own home club, for about 12 boats, never mind about the amount of private boats in isladbridge belonging to DUBC alumni)

As for the equality funding, that is how it's done. Each club, like a govt department, sends in its books every year, and rquests funding from DUCAC, who grant it on a case by case basis. Croquet for instance last year applied for €0 so got €0.

Also, the committee is made up of members of certain clubs so of course there's going to be favoritism played to those clubs (and to the successful clubs too.) You'd know that seeing as you were at the agm, wouldn't you?

gearoidof

Ok, I apologise for the 50k a year comment, though I had originally intended it as an example of a club that do need the money. I know you guys also do bagpacking to fundraise too.
On Croquet, they get €3k allocated, they just don't spend it.

And on favoritism, obviously it's going to happen, but that doesn't make it ok.

Groinshot

gearoidof wrote: »

Ok, I apologise for the 50k a year comment, though I had originally intended it as an example of a club that do need the money. I know you guys also do bagpacking to fundraise too.
On Croquet, they get €3k allocated, they just don't spend it.

And on favoritism, obviously it's going to happen, but that doesn't make it ok.

Apology acepted, misinformation is a devil, and so are assumptions... It's a bit like local councils, they spend money on crap cos if they don't spend it all, they won't get anywhere near as much the following year. We do charity stuff throughout the year, and split he funding between us and them,r aised over 500 for ourselves just before christmas doing carol singing on grafton street and the same fr charity (bless aren't we great )
Croquet applied for 0 funding last year, but got none officially, but may have appealed it, I do remember the joke aout it at the AGM, and tlaking to the captain about it...

TrinityGAA

Junior D I've pm-ed you.

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