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ORTF

  • 26-08-2010 11:16pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭


    I have been using ORTF for overheads the last few sessions.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORTF_stereo_technique
    It gives a stronger centre image of the kit than a spaced pair and is wider than standard XY.
    I use 2 Audio Technica ATM450 condensers (Great mics BTW) and sennheiser condensers for hats and ride close miced.
    I don't get a protractor and tape measure out or anything. Just set up so it looks right.
    Getting really good results and also have more control over the hats than when using spaced pair because the left overhead is nearer the middle of the kit rather than over the hats. Rack toms have more punch too.
    Something I always meant to investigate but always forgot about when it came to setting up for recording. Check it out if you haven't already.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 650 ✭✭✭Aridstarling


    +1 on the whole post there. Definitely always worth a shot. Not something I get the chance to do to often these days on the drums but I've always loved the sound.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭danjokill


    another plus one ..... I do it using a pair of 012's , the SM-MSR mount and the MK-012 swivels lets me set it up on a single boom.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    Interesting -

    I was never a fan of the whole crash entirely one side ride entirely the other - it just seems a bit corny to me.

    We did a 'test' drum recording in Middlewalk with Ronan from X-Music doing da beats and found that we got nice results using a pair of C12s close together and adjusting the angle between them (i.e. 'twisting' them in their mic clips for width). Being close together mono was good too.

    I think mono compatibility is important and is often ignored.

    I heard that U2 live at the rosebowl (or where ever it was) gig on a mono TV recently and it sounded totally imbalanced.

    Proper Stereo is often forgotten and is not the same as 2 chan mono !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭danjokill


    alot depends on the kit size and how the drummer sets up .... agree hard right hard left stuff sounds muck . placing mics so that kick and snare are well centred ..... i graphically monitor the image pattern while mics placement is being adjusted to ensure the that kick, snare in the middle on the sum buss. I am recording the two mics on mono channels panned out 55left and 55right into a stereo sum buss out. which I sometimes tweek a little with the imager tool in the mix just to get everthing to sit in the mix.

    Not sure if I am doing it 100% right this way? but it works for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭trackmixstudio


    ORTF used on huge kit today.
    Sounded great.
    These are ATM450 side address mics pointing away from each other.
    Screen%20shot%202010-08-28%20at%2022.03.06.png


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭artvandulet


    Interesting. Never heard of this. Your picture looks like XY just spaced. Looking at the link to ORTF the diaphrams look to be pointing away from each other, not towards...

    500px-ORTF-Stereo.svg.png

    Am I just reading this wrong?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    I did a double take on that too. Then I read that the microphones were side fire.

    Have you tried XY? It should give you even more detail. I've found for distant sources XY is a little too detailed ORTF is a nice balance between XY and the more diffuse spaced pairs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭trackmixstudio


    Oh yeah.
    Should have made it clear. They are ATM450 side address mics.
    Looks odd if you are used to front address SDCs
    Screen%20shot%202010-08-29%20at%2010.29.42.png

    I prefer ORTF than XY over the kit. XY is too narrow for my taste


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭artvandulet


    Oh yeah.
    Should have made it clear. They are ATM450 side address mics.
    Looks odd if you are used to front address SDCs


    I prefer ORTF than XY over the kit. XY is too narrow for my taste

    Got ye. Makes sense now!

    What do you think of Glyn Johns or Recorderman type setups? I've been using this type instead of XY recently and really like it. Gonna try ORTF next though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭trackmixstudio


    Here is a rough mix of the session using the kit above.
    We are tracking an album and have drum tracks and edits done, quad tracked guitars done and guide bass (I always track bass after guitar. Find it easier to find a bass tone that fits in the mix)
    Tiny bit it of trigger mixed with kick and snare but not much.
    Toms are fully live and they REALLY punch with the ORTF overheads.
    Totally smashed mono room mic in there too.
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2133088/Skewred%20ruff.mp3


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭PaulBrewer


    I remember reading an interview with the chap who does Fall Out Boy (not my cup of Darjeeling musically, but I can appreciate the skill involved) who also does the guitars first , leaving the bass after both for tone and tuning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 650 ✭✭✭Aridstarling


    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    I remember reading an interview with the chap who does Fall Out Boy (not my cup of Darjeeling musically, but I can appreciate the skill involved) who also does the guitars first , leaving the bass after both for tone and tuning.

    I'm doing this at the moment with a band in similar musical territory to Fall Out Boy. Definitely seems to be working out for the best.


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