Vietnam?

jobee

General Vo Nguyen Giap

General Giap.
Who defeated the French at Dien Bien phu
and forced a political defeat on combined
forces in the Vietnam War

In fairness to the combined forces [largely American]
they won every major land battle that was fought
in the Vietnam War including the Tet Offensive.

They were indeed military victorious but lost the
political initative.

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A small village in North Vietnam,
Is where the great Generals life began,
In village huts with muck packed floors,
The French commanded, made the laws.

An Xa village was quite unknown,
For hundreds of years rice was grown,
Goats, animals moved around,
Muck, dung, covered the ground.

But young Giap wasn't the same,
Inside his head was an excellent brain,
He didn't like the French in command,
It wasn't their culture, it wasn't their land.

Off to Hoa to school he went,
On intellectual progress he was bent,
At just 13 his nationalist mind,
Was causing trouble a mature kind.

This precocious child the French noticed,
The Surete added him to their list,
Not knowing then he would bid them adieu,
At the battle of Dien Bien Phu.

A degree in economics he would attain,
His countries freedom, his earnest aim,
Military tactics he studied with zeal,
The intelligence to master, turn for real.

At Dien Bien Phu he made his name,
A place in government he did attain,
With Directive 15, the North made its claim,
Unification was their ultimate aim.

So General Giap was placed in command,
The mandate, to unite and free his land,
Political adventure the stuff of dreams,
Only unification by military means.


All through the sixties the battle raged.
To setpiece battles the North rarely engaged,
A guerilla campaign Giap wanted, got,
Time was irrelevant in his little plot.

But time was important on the American scene,
American dead on the TV screen,
After Tet they knew it was lost,
Giap had won at enormous cost,

Vietnam is free as ever its been,
Whether its better remains to be seen,
The best laid plans of mice, men,
They did put humpty together again.

Jobee 3 para.

marcsignal

you know this is the ww2 forum op ?

jobee

marcsignal wrote: »

you know this is the ww2 forum op ?

Please explain,Vietnam was nothing to do with world war 2.
Nam finished 30 years after the 2nd world war.

Mahatma coat

I think what mark meant to say is

this particular Forum is designated specifically for World war two related discussions,

Now the whole story of the french in Diem Ben Phu has its origins in the aftermath of WW2, so I can see why you might have thought it relevant to this forum.

However the vietnam conflict would be one of a series of 20th century conflicts that falls under the Umbrella of 'The Cold War' and as such it might not be a bad idea to enquire with one of the mods as to whether or not it can be shuffled over to that section.

jobee

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I think what mark meant to say is

this particular Forum is designated specifically for World war two related discussions,

Now the whole story of the french in Diem Ben Phu has its origins in the aftermath of WW2, so I can see why you might have thought it relevant to this forum.

However the vietnam conflict would be one of a series of 20th century conflicts that falls under the Umbrella of 'The Cold War' and as such it might not be a bad idea to enquire with one of the mods as to whether or not it can be shuffled over to that section.

I did not post it on this forum, it was moved here. Also, the title was changed
in spite of copy rights. Thank you for your info.

cyrusdvirus

jobee wrote: »

I did not post it on this forum, it was moved here. Also, the title was changed
in spite of copy rights. Thank you for your info.

Copy rights??

You think you OWN something you put up here?? HA!!

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jobee

gatecrash wrote: »

Copy rights??

You think you OWN something you put up here?? HA!!

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HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHAAAHAHAAAAA

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No, i thought copyright meant copyright,what is your version of copyright.

jobee

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I think what mark meant to say is

this particular Forum is designated specifically for World war two related discussions,

Now the whole story of the french in Diem Ben Phu has its origins in the aftermath of WW2, so I can see why you might have thought it relevant to this forum.

However the vietnam conflict would be one of a series of 20th century conflicts that falls under the Umbrella of 'The Cold War' and as such it might not be a bad idea to enquire with one of the mods as to whether or not it can be shuffled over to that section.

marks computer would have told him that military action didn't start till 1965 in Nam, this is 20 years after Hitlers death.

Could the post be removed, thank you, john

U.S. combat units were deployed beginning in 1965. Operations spanned borders, with Laos and Cambodia heavily bombed. Involvement peaked in 1968 at the time of the Tet Offensive. After this, U.S. ground forces were withdrawn as part of a policy called Vietnamization. Despite the Paris Peace Accords, signed by all parties in January 1973, fighting continued.
The Case-Church Amendment passed by the U.S. Congress prohibited use of American military after August 15, 1973 unless the president secured congressional approval in advance.[22] The capture of Saigon by the North Vietnamese army in April 1975 marked the end of the Vietnam War. North and South Vietnam were reunified the following year.

jobee

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I think what mark meant to say is

this particular Forum is designated specifically for World war two related discussions,

Now the whole story of the french in Diem Ben Phu has its origins in the aftermath of WW2, so I can see why you might have thought it relevant to this forum.

However the vietnam conflict would be one of a series of 20th century conflicts that falls under the Umbrella of 'The Cold War' and as such it might not be a bad idea to enquire with one of the mods as to whether or not it can be shuffled over to that section.

With all due respect, the Vietnamese had been trying to get the French out for at least 100 years. This is way before WW2 or the cold war.

By the way Giap has just turned 100 years of age.





Aug 27th, 2010 - 9:26 AM
Quote Reply Winner in Nam, 100 years old.

General Vo Nguyen Giap’s daily photos

' 25/08/2009

(GMT+7)
VietNamNet Bridge – Though nearly 100 years old, top-ranking General Vo Nguyen Giap still reads books and newspapers and visits the old battlefield.

On the occasion of his 99th birthday, we would like to introduce photos of the famous general taken by journalist Tran Hong.

jobee

jobee wrote: »

With all due respect, the Vietnamese had been trying to get the French out for at least 100 years. This is way before WW2 or the cold war.

By the way Giap has just turned 100 years of age.





Aug 27th, 2010 - 9:26 AM
Quote Reply Winner in Nam, 100 years old.

General Vo Nguyen Giap’s daily photos

' 25/08/2009

(GMT+7)
VietNamNet Bridge – Though nearly 100 years old, top-ranking General Vo Nguyen Giap still reads books and newspapers and visits the old battlefield.

On the occasion of his 99th birthday, we would like to introduce photos of the famous general taken by journalist Tran Hong.

General Giap took no part in the second world war, he was in Nam
throughout it. Please remove my post from this WW2 site.
I'm interested in historical 'fact'.

jobee

jobee wrote: »

gatecrash wrote: »

Copy rights??

You think you OWN something you put up here?? HA!!

Haaahahahahaaaaa


HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHAAAHAHAAAAA

QUOTE]
No, i thought copyright meant copyright,what is your version of copyright.

Im getting rave revues on here.

http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/general/

What's your problem with 'informative poetry'