Boy cleared of murdering 'paedophile' school worker

sligopark

A 17-year-old boy who stabbed a "predatory paedophile" school worker at his home in east London has been cleared of murdering him.

'The jury heard the victim had invited the defendant and another boy to his home to smoke shisha pipes and had shown them pornography and had proposed to carry out sex acts on them.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11088841


Excellent stuff - well done young fella

Lets start f_cking them up proper rather than giving them suspended sentences

Perhaps we should think of allowing victims hunt down predatory paedos of whom they were victim and doing away with them post conviction too Personally I would have no sympathy.

PirateShampoo

I can think of better punishments than the easy option of murder.

dlofnep

Hardly a pedo for wanting to ride a 17 year old. That would make half of boards pedos.

But he's certainly a scumbag for trying to rape a 17 year old. Good riddens.

landsleaving

If he's 17, and above the age of consent, what makes the guy a paedophile exactly? The press just love that word don't they?

Still, after reading the whole article, self defense seems reasonable enough a conclusion.

mikom

sligopark wrote: »

A 17-year-old boy who stabbed a "predatory paedophile" school worker at his home in east London

Problem is, he stabbed him with his cock.

stovelid

sligopark wrote: »

Excellent stuff - well done young fella

Sometimes I hate this forum.

landsleaving

The_Minister wrote: »

Mystery post.

For you Minister

Gummy Panda

wait a minute... he went to the house armed cause of fear of being raped yet still went to the house?

That doesn't make sense at all.

sligopark

The_Minister wrote: »

He isn't a paedophile, he's a homosexual rapist.

landsleaving wrote: »

That would make a fantastic sig :pac:

And bring on the ire of those that believe male on male paedophilia is not underage homosexual rape but rather something else like eh I never really understood ...

The_Minister

landsleaving wrote: »

That would make a fantastic sig :pac:

If someone makes that their sig then I will delete the post, leaving future generations incredibly curious about what it was all about.

landsleaving

The_Minister wrote: »

If someone makes that their sig then I will delete the post, leaving future generations incredibly curious about what it was all about.

Oooohh that makes it so much better. I may bite yet...

sligopark

Gummy Panda wrote: »

wait a minute... he went to the house armed cause of fear of being raped yet still went to the house?

That doesn't make sense at all.

Nope not to the likes of me and you but the story of many padeo victims

stovelid

The dead bloke sounds like a nasty piece of work (from the report) but the first things I noticed were that the lunge is the only thing that makes this an attempted rape or "pedo" crime other than an, admittedly dodgy, attempted 'sexually legal' pick-op. Furthermore, we're primarily taking the word of somebody who went to the house carrying a knife that the lunge occurred. If he had reason to believe he could be attacked (that is, he needed a knife), why go there in the first place?

And it seems strange that the "devout" bit was reported unless it was probably brought up in court as an attempt to assign premeditation to the killing.

Not playing down anything or claiming to know what happened, just trying to not accept uncritically what is reported in that piece.

sligopark wrote: »

Nope not to the likes of me and you but the story of many padeo victims

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Dudess

sligopark wrote: »

And bring on the ire of those that believe male on male paedophilia is not underage homosexual rape but rather something else like eh I never really understood ...

The snide, condescending, passive-aggressive wink doesn't add weight to that statement. If you're still trying to ascertain that there's a link between homosexuality and paedophilia, then you presumably also link heterosexuality with paedophilia seeing as there are men who fancy small girls and women who fancy small boys?
17 = above the homosexual age of consent in Britain, therefore the term "paedophile" is not even relevant. I know kneejerk, reactionary types just love finding examples of stuff they deem paedophilia and going on a lynch mob campaign (lady doth protest too much tbh) but the defending QC here unfortunately used an incorrect term (shame a man practising law would stoop to the level of The Sun and abuse the "You can't libel the dead" defence - unless there is evidence that the dead man was preying on/molesting small children).
Even if the lad was 15, it wouldn't be paedophilia. There is a difference between being sexually attracted to teenagers* and being sexually attracted to pre-pubescent kids.



*As plenty of people here are - and there's not always anything wrong with that; a physically developed 15-year-old girl is a young woman capable biologically of being a mother and would have been deemed an adult not terribly long ago. Plenty of underage teenagers consent to sex with older people too - not saying it's right though, it's still breaking the law, but morally it's more ambiguous.

bazmaiden

boner achieved

Royal Irish

sligopark wrote: »

Perhaps we should think of allowing victims hunt down predatory paedos of whom they were victim and doing away with them post conviction too Personally I would have no sympathy.

They could put the pedo's in one of these ghost estates with massive fencing keeping them in, then send in the victims with guns to hunt them. Channel4 could send in a camera crew and use the footage to replace Big Brother.

sligopark

Dudess wrote: »

The snide, condescending, passive-aggressive wink

do you mean the only wink available on this forum?

The definition of a 17 yr old as a child or adult is subjective to arena.

My post and wink alluded to other threads and arguments probably not best re-brought up not any allegation of such.

Apologies.

Royal Irish wrote: »

They could put the pedo's in one of these ghost estates with massive fencing keeping them in, then send in the victims with guns to hunt them. Channel4 could send in a camera crew and use the footage to replace Big Brother.

Yes proper padeos but rather than a ghost estate I would propose a ghost island off the mainland of Ireland and a wider audience than Ch4 with all proceeds toward victims (rather than invite them to the trauma of killing/murder)

The_Minister

The_Minister wrote: »

If someone makes that their sig then I will delete the post, leaving future generations incredibly curious about what it was all about.

Challenge accepted.

sligopark

Where's the sig?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

sligopark wrote: »

The definition of a 17 yr old as a child or adult is subjective to arena.

No, it's pretty clear cut when it comes to the law. 17 is legally a consenting adult.

Yes proper padeos but rather than a ghost estate I would propose a ghost island off the mainland of Ireland and a wider audience than Ch4 with all proceeds toward victims (rather than invite them to the trauma of killing/murder)

Why are we still talking about paedophilia? Thread has nothing to do with paedophilia.

OutlawPete

Pity the lad wasn't stopped and searched by the police on the way to the man's home and charged with possessing an offensive weapon.

kincsem

A crime to solve a crime. Oh, wait. It was "not guilty".

Do we need more of this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/901723.stm

sligopark

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

No, it's pretty clear cut when it comes to the law. 17 is legally a consenting adult.

Why are we still talking about paedophilia? Thread has nothing to do with paedophilia.

Ah gaysus must be something to do with then original BBC news thread

kincsem wrote: »

A crime to solve a crime. Oh, wait. It was "not guilty".

Do we need more of this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/901723.stm[/QUOTE

you are right - a person wishing to medically treat a child shouldn't be confused with a person using a treat to sexually abuse a child

perhaps better education in regards to spelling is the answer

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

sligopark wrote: »

Perhaps we should think of allowing victims hunt down predatory paedos of whom they were victim and doing away with them post conviction too Personally I would have no sympathy.

sligopark wrote: »

And bring on the ire of those that believe male on male paedophilia is not underage homosexual rape but rather something else like eh I never really understood ...

sligopark wrote: »

Nope not to the likes of me and you but the story of many padeo victims

sligopark wrote: »

Ah gaysus must be something to do with then original BBC news thread






you are right - a person wishing to medically treat a child shouldn't be confused with a person using a treat to sexually abuse a child

perhaps better education in regards to spelling is the answer

A little punctuation wouldn't go amiss, either, my friend... ;)

Cavehill Red

Is this the new perfect murder?
Go to someone's gaff with a knife, stab them to death and then claim, contrary to all public knowledge about them, that they were a paedophile rapist?
Only works for the underage obviously (or in this case, the slightly overage), but if I was an angry teen with issues and a grudge, I wouldn't be opening up the semi-automatic on Maths class.

*Predicts sudden downturn in kids going postal and equivalent upsurge in paedo murders*

sligopark

sorry punctuation cop

please no points

Terry

Here's the article. Now can someone tell me if I'm reading this correctly, please?

A 17-year-old boy who stabbed a "predatory paedophile" school worker at his home in east London has been cleared of murdering him.

The boy stabbed Muhammad Amirul Haq, 27, at his home in Poplar last November fearing the student support officer may rape or kill him, the Old Bailey heard.

The victim, known as Amir, was married and "outwardly religious" but was secretly bisexual, the jury heard.

The boy, who cannot be named, has been cleared of murder and manslaughter.
Continue reading the main story
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I genuinely thought that he would either rape me or if I refused he would kill me”

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Tower Hamlets Council said it would now look into further allegations against Amir, who worked at St Paul's Way Community School.

Judge Jeremy Roberts said: "It was tragic for everybody that it happened in these circumstances."

The jury heard the victim had invited the defendant and another boy to his home to smoke shisha pipes and had shown them pornography and had proposed to carry out sex acts on them.

The defendant said he was armed in case the victim forced him into "sexual acts" and had asked the older man to "back off".
'Signs of respectability'

The knife fatally injured the school worker when he "lunged" at the "devout, humble Muslim" teenager, the court heard.

The boy told the jury: "I genuinely thought that he would either rape me or if I refused he would kill me.

"I produced the knife. As he was holding my arm I brought it out and held it in front of me.

"He said 'help me this time and you can leave'. I told him to back off and let me go.

"He said 'what are you going to do?, there is nothing you can do, no-one will believe you'. He lunged towards me."

Defence QC Brian O'Neill said: "Amir displayed all the outward signs of respectability.

"He had an arranged marriage, he wore a religious hat and sported a beard. He went to mosque and prayed and encouraged others to do the same.
'Vengeful' claim

"But all of that was a sham.

"The truth was that Amir was a predatory paedophile who preyed on young boys in his own community and groomed them in order that he might sexually assault and rape them."

Victor Temple QC, prosecuting, argued the boy was being "vengeful" and "knew full well what he was doing".

Tower Hamlets council said: "Prior to this court case, neither the council or the school had received any allegations of improper conduct.

"We will now be looking into the allegations that have come to light during this court case.

"We can confirm that all appropriate checks were in place prior to Mr Haq's employment."

Let's start here:

The boy stabbed Muhammad Amirul Haq, 27, at his home in Poplar last November fearing the student support officer may rape or kill him, the Old Bailey heard.

The victim, known as Amir, was married and "outwardly religious" but was secretly bisexual, the jury heard.

So is Amir or Muhammad the victim?

I'm tired. Just look at the story and look at the inconsistencies in who can and cannot be named.

The_Minister

Deleted User wrote: »

Challenge accepted.

Deleted my post at the cost of 7 Thanks.

If people who have quoted post could edit, that would be great.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Terry wrote: »

Here's the article. Now can someone tell me if I'm reading this correctly, please?


Let's start here:

So is Amir or Muhammad the victim?

I'm tired. Just look at the story and look at the inconsistencies in who can and cannot be named.

The boy stabbed Muhammad Amirul Haq, 27, at his home in Poplar last November fearing the student support officer may rape or kill him, the Old Bailey heard.

The victim, known as Amir, was married and "outwardly religious" but was secretly bisexual, the jury heard.

Both. The stabber cannot be named for legal reasons (which, ironically, is because he's probably too young)

ascanbe

sligopark wrote: »

do you mean the only wink available on this forum?

The definition of a 17 yr old as a child or adult is subjective to arena.

My post and wink alluded to other threads and arguments probably not best re-brought up not any allegation of such.

Apologies.





Yes proper padeos but rather than a ghost estate I would propose a ghost island off the mainland of Ireland and a wider audience than Ch4 with all proceeds toward victims (rather than invite them to the trauma of killing/murder)

I commend myself for resisting the urge to fix that post.

ascanbe

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Is this the new perfect murder?
Go to someone's gaff with a knife, stab them to death and then claim, contrary to all public knowledge about them, that they were a paedophile rapist?
Only works for the underage obviously (or in this case, the slightly overage), but if I was an angry teen with issues and a grudge, I wouldn't be opening up the semi-automatic on Maths class.

*Predicts sudden downturn in kids going postal and equivalent upsurge in paedo murders*

Yeah. Judging from what i've read about it, in the link provided, the verdict seems bizarre.

It doesn't actually say in that news story that the victim (the guy who got stabbed) forced himself on the boy. The quote the OP put up states that he proposed sexual acts. Asking doesn't sound like the work of a rapist to me.

seamus

Terry wrote: »

So is Amir or Muhammad the victim?

Both. The dead man's name was Muhammed Amirul. The vast majority of Muslim boys are given the first name "Mohammed", so generally go by their second name in everyday use.

Much like in Ireland 50 years ago, it appears as though everybody was referred to by their second name because they all shared the same first name of John, Peter, Mary, Paul, etc.

Deleted User wrote: »

It doesn't actually say in that news story that the victim (the guy who got stabbed) forced himself on the boy. The quote the OP put up states that he proposed sexual acts. Asking doesn't sound like the work of a rapist to me.

The killer claimed that he was restrained and was not going to be allowed to leave.

However, the article doesn't indicate anywhere that the victim had attempted to force himself onto the boy, just that he had vaguely indicated that he wouldn't let the boy leave until he got something out of him. He hadn't used violence on the boy.

Very odd verdict alright. I imagine he kid is something of a wayward teen and the man a bit similar. They all went back to get high and mess around, and then the victim brought up the notion of sex. Far from being a "devout, humble Muslim", no doubt the boy was routinely armed with a knife because he was constantly getting into rows with other boys. Why else would go to someone's house to get high and bring a knife "just in case"?