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Anyone using Ethanol/ Maxol E85?

  • 25-08-2010 5:19pm
    #1
    Pablo Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭


    Is anyone using this in your tank?

    Apart from the cost saving per litre compard to unleaded, are there any other benefits/drawbacks?

    Tks
    P


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  • #2
    Matt Simis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    Pablo Sanchez wrote: »
    Is anyone using this in your tank?

    Apart from the cost saving per litre compard to unleaded, are there any other benefits/drawbacks?

    Tks
    P

    Do a search (e85* to get around search engine limitations), discussed loads and loads


  • #3
    Berty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,158 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    Frankly you wont find much useful information on the Internet about E85.

    I was using this MUCK in a Volvo S40 1.8 Bio-ethanol up until March and you would get around 520km or so from a tank of fuel. The Tank on the Volvo was around 52 litres.

    It was normally 99.6 for Bio-ethanol and Petrol was obviously 1.30 right now or so but then again I could get around 120km more from Petrol.

    I worked out at one stage(prices of 6 months ago) that I was spending the EXACT SAME and getting the same spend vs fuel used.

    I was driving between Limerick, Clare and Galway and the only places doing it were Ennis and Limerick. Limerick were out of it for 1.5 months and driving to Ennis when I was low was cancelling out the point of using Bio-ethanol.

    FALSE ECONOMY FUEL WISE
    There are some VRT savings but frankly IT IS NOT WORTH IT


  • #4
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,093 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    "Ethanol / E85 is very corrosive" and other myths

    Bio-Ethanol Conversion

    Converted 2005 Corolla to E85 - Cheaper Option

    Convert petrol car to run on biofuel(E85)?

    Anybody using E85 in a 'normal' car?

    Not your ornery onager



  • #5
    Pablo Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭Pablo Sanchez


    Interesting stuff, some saying their MPG/Kms get better, some worse.

    Il go for a fill for the first time today and see how i get along, currently getting 6l/100kms, il let ye know.


  • #6
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pablo Sanchez wrote: »
    Interesting stuff, some saying their MPG/Kms get better, some worse.

    Il go for a fill for the first time today and see how i get along, currently getting 6l/100kms, il let ye know.

    You cannot run a standard petrol engine on e85, it needs to be converted.


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  • #7
    Matt Simis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    Berty wrote: »
    Frankly you wont find much useful information on the Internet about E85.

    I was using this MUCK in a Volvo S40 1.8 Bio-ethanol up until March and you would get around 520km or so from a tank of fuel. The Tank on the Volvo was around 52 litres.
    You can find mountains of info on e85 on the net!? Have you considered maybe the fuel isnt muck, but the car is?


  • #8
    Pablo Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭Pablo Sanchez


    Louisa Juicy Leaf wrote: »
    You cannot run a standard petrol engine on e85, it needs to be converted.

    I have a new clio thats set up to take either, filled up the tank, just over a tenner cheaper than UL. I know its not really representative but after 10kms of town driving, its giving me 6l/100kms, same as before. Il be able to know if its a runner or not over the weekend.


  • #9
    Matt Simis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    Pablo Sanchez wrote: »
    I have a new clio thats set up to take either, filled up the tank, just over a tenner cheaper than UL. I know its not really representative but after 10kms of town driving, its giving me 6l/100kms, same as before. Il be able to know if its a runner or not over the weekend.

    Really, like this one?
    http://www.hot-hatches.co.uk/2010/01/renault-clio-12-16v-e85.html
    Cool. Check if it feels any faster, E85 fuel generally feels more torque-y.


  • #10
    Pablo Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭Pablo Sanchez


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    Really, like this one?
    http://www.hot-hatches.co.uk/2010/01/renault-clio-12-16v-e85.html
    Cool. Check if it feels any faster, E85 fuel generally feels more torque-y.

    Yep thats the one, il be on the motorway later....lets see if there is any diffference:D


  • #11
    Pablo Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭Pablo Sanchez


    Seem to be using 6.8 litres per 100kms, up 0.8l's.

    With the price differential being so high (c. 25 cent per litre) its seems very woth while to keep running on it.


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  • #12
    Berty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,158 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    Louisa Juicy Leaf wrote: »
    You cannot run a standard petrol engine on e85, it needs to be converted.

    I was assuming the OP has a bio ethanol friendly car.
    Matt Simis wrote: »
    You can find mountains of info on e85 on the net!? Have you considered maybe the fuel isnt muck, but the car is?

    I buy DVD's and Porn on the internet but never FUEL.

    I save that for licensed and bonded fuel stations. :p


  • #13
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    I've been running my car on it for about 2 years. No problems apart from availability.

    It's not much more economical than unleaded, but I get a warm fuzzy feeling from my environmentla credentials.


  • #14
    coylemj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,624 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    ninty9er wrote: »
    I've been running my car on it for about 2 years. No problems apart from availability.

    It's not much more economical than unleaded, but I get a warm fuzzy feeling from my environmentla credentials.

    That's probably the only benefit (warm fuzzy feeling) that you'll get. My reason for using E85 was for the octane boost as my car (Golf 1.4 TSI) will use 98 octane if it can get it but otherwise will get by on 95. It seems that adding bioethanol boosts the octane rating of 95 unleaded but unfortunately there is a trade-off because the ethanol has a lower energy (megajoule/litre) rating so what you gain on the swings you lose on the roundabout. I was looking for a performance boost but didn't notice any so I don't bother looking for E85 anymore.


  • #15
    Matt Simis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    coylemj wrote: »
    That's probably the only benefit (warm fuzzy feeling) that you'll get. My reason for using E85 was for the octane boost as my car (Golf 1.4 TSI) will use 98 octane if it can get it but otherwise will get by on 95. It seems that adding bioethanol boosts the octane rating of 95 unleaded but unfortunately there is a trade-off because the ethanol has a lower energy (megajoule/litre) rating so what you gain on the swings you lose on the roundabout. I was looking for a performance boost but didn't notice any so I don't bother looking for E85 anymore.

    Are you confusing E85 and E5? You dont need 104octane E85 to get a higher octane, E5 is 99.2 Octane and the optimum fuel for your car. E85 would give you likely lower MPG and lean running conditions. To actually get the benefit you were expecting you either need a car with a fairly far reaching internal adaption (which you dont have) or specific tuning for it. For instance, E85 tuning would allow you to greatly increase the boost and timing advance while lowering combustion temps (it would be like having a larger turbo and more efficient intercooler in one).

    However, it really sounds like you are talking about E5, but you dont have to "look for" E5, its in every Maxol station. So Im not really sure what you are doing.


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