Is this a record

SARZY

Nenagh Golf Club qualifying 18 holes of captains prize last weekend;
75 to qualify from 350 entrants; par 72; Only those on 71 or better qualified; So nobody who played to their handicap got through.
This must be some kind of record fo amateur golf.

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SARZY wrote: »

Nenagh Golf Club qualifying 18 holes of captains prize last weekend;
75 to qualify from 350 entrants; par 72; Only those on 71 or better qualified; So nobody who played to their handicap got through.
This must be some kind of record fo amateur golf.

Have you looked in the Guinness book of world records?

Gophur

SARZY wrote: »

Nenagh Golf Club qualifying 18 holes of captains prize last weekend;
75 to qualify from 350 entrants; par 72; Only those on 71 or better qualified; So nobody who played to their handicap got through.
This must be some kind of record fo amateur golf.

Par 72, and only those on 71 or better qualify?

My club, it's normal, and common, for the qualifying to be better than Par.

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Gophur wrote: »

Par 72, and only those on 71 or better qualify?

My club, it's normal, and common, for the qualifying to be better than Par.

Exactly, there were 350 entrants so only around 1 in 5 qualified.

GreeBo

Gophur wrote: »

Par 72, and only those on 71 or better qualify?

My club, it's normal, and common, for the qualifying to be better than Par.

Really? Normal for the Cut to be under par?
Wow. Typically in mine I would say +5 gets in.

jimmystars

SARZY wrote: »

Nenagh Golf Club qualifying 18 holes of captains prize last weekend;
75 to qualify from 350 entrants; par 72; Only those on 71 or better qualified; So nobody who played to their handicap got through.
This must be some kind of record fo amateur golf.

Captains prize. Bandit country. Cant say im shocked to see a score like that. Expect at least 10 under handicap to win. Would be more suprised to see par win one of these comps.That might make the Guinness book of world records.

Gophur

We have a "client" who is leading after Day 1, a man who is now returning scores 10 shots better than were on his three cards for handicap.

In any event, he has not enough cards in for the year to qualify for first prize.

BoardsMember

Gophur wrote: »

Par 72, and only those on 71 or better qualify?

My club, it's normal, and common, for the qualifying to be better than Par.

That is just ridiculous. I'm not doubting your word, but if this is the case then there are some serious issues with peoples' handicaps in your club. I'd go further to say that people are cheating, there is no way that a qualifying score can be better than par if everyone is playing off a fair handicap, it just cannot happen.

In my club, if you took the winning score of the captains prize over the last 5 years, it would probably be an average of 38 points. Last year I was sixth with 37 points. If you take it that the course is generally set up at its most difficult/challenging for the biggest comp of the year, there is something seriously amiss if that many people are shooting that far under their handicap.

There are always whispers about lots of clubs taking a very relaxed approach to handicapping, normally to improve their chances at inter club competitions. I think the GUI has taken a more active stance in recent years, and banned some clubs, but it seems like it is still a big issue if this thread is anything to go by. Bascially, individuals, or clubs, are cheating.

Gophur

Standard Scratch is 38 points, I don't see what the issue is.

PhilipMarlowe

For our Captain's 120 played (18 hole strokes):
11 beat par
14 beat the CSS which was one over par (equal to the SSS at the time).
The SSS has since increased by 1 so if the CSS had been 1 higher then 20 would have beaten it.
The day was benign and the pins weren't overly difficult so I'd say the course was reasonably there for everyone.

75/350 under par seems high alright... what was the CSS though?

BoardsMember

I just re-read the post, one in 5 about right!

f22

Jaysus, that seems a bit ridiculous alright, we had only 10 players out of 302 that beat par over two days in qualifying, 8 on day 1 with a CSS of 72 (+1) and 2 on day 2 with a CSS of 75 (+4).

SARZY

BoardsMember wrote: »

I just re-read the post, one in 5 about right!

Just so I can understand, are you saying that 1 player in every 5 should return a score Net Under par.

PhilipMarlowe

Forget about under par. What was the CSS? What is the SSS?

DonkeyPokerTour

Lads u have to remember that if the wind is blowing in a certain direction it can make a course a lot harder or a lot easier. On my home course, Wicklow Golf Club, if the wind is behind you on the 2nd the course plays about 3-4shots easier than if the wind is into your face on the 2nd. When the wind is behind you on the 2nd (the index 2 hole) it is also behind you on the 6th,10th,12th,13th,15th which are the index 4,1,5,7,15 hole. And its only against you on the 8th, 14th and 16th 6,3,17.

With wind behind the 2nd is a simple driver, maybe a 3 wood if your a big hitter, and a wedge even from the back sticks. From the back sticks with wind into you it can be a driver and then either a wood or a lot of people play it as a short par 5 because there are so many dangers to going to that green with a wood! That's a massive difference. Wind behind its an outside birdy chance (its a tricky green), wind into face I'll happily write down a 5 and move on!

The 15th with wind behind is almost reachable in 1 with a good drive from a big hitter. With wind against its a good drive and maybe a 8-9iron.

So I'm sure its plausible that could be the case with another course.

SARZY

Licksy wrote: »

Forget about under par. What was the CSS? What is the SSS?

SSS 72-CSS71

PhilipMarlowe

Seems a bit mad that that proportion of the field could shoot CSS or better. I do know that the CSS can only go as low as 1 under the SSS so maybe the SSS is generous or the day was easier than usual?
Just checking Kilkenny, they had ~310 entrants, Par 71, CSS 70
53 players shot CSS or better, 71 players at par or better so maybe your 75 from 350 isn't so unusual?

BoardsMember

Licksy wrote: »

Seems a bit mad that that proportion of the field could shoot CSS or better. I do know that the CSS can only go as low as 1 under the SSS so maybe the SSS is generous or the day was easier than usual?
Just checking Kilkenny, they had ~310 entrants, Par 71, CSS 70
53 players shot CSS or better, 71 players at par or better so maybe your 75 from 350 isn't so unusual?

I had a look into this earlier. It is actually about right, one in five.

Check out this article, quite interesting: http://www.ayewonder.com/2007/07/03/golf-and-handicap-nonsense/