Slopping out

MidlandsM

I don't want the practice to slopping out to end in the new state of the art soon to be built prison. I think it should be rmaintained as part of the prisioners daily chores forever.

Thoughts?


http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/new-prison-will-end-practice-of-slopping-out-470588.html

Wertz

Yeah piling criminals high in cells and then forcing them to live like animals beside their own excrement for upwards of 12 hrs a day is really going to make them more balanced and socially concious individuals upon their eventual release, isn't it...

You seem to be suggesting that slopping out should be part of the punishment for the crime they're locked up for...isn't taking their liberty for a period of time punishment enough, without the need to treat them like farm animals?

I would suggest that prisoners need structure to their day and "chores" to try and break the monotony; something more constructive that gives something back to society would be far more preferable than having them turf a bucket of their own sh*te down a communal toilet twice a day...we've had plumbing to do that for us since the Romans...if we strive to live in a civilised society then we need to be civilised about our attitude to everyone, criminals in jail included...

DazMarz

23-hour lockdown... lights out at 8:30pm... etc. I agree with harsh, unrelenting treatment in prisons. It is meant to be a punishment.

But God, to still have to use buckets for toilets?! That's a bit much, IMO.

kylith

Surely a bucket full of excrement is a weapon, in the right hands.

smokie2008

Mate cop the Fu*k onto yourself there isn't a person in the whole entire justice system that wants to see people 'slopping out'. Explain why you don't want to see the practice stopped??? Ignorant is all you are.

Gummy Panda

That's horrible and the bucket cab be a weapon against prison guards. There is health reasons why this shouldn't be happening.

Nijmegen

The issue with the slop bucket is that it makes it difficult to storm a prisoners cell to look for contraband.

Not that we do it, US style, in this country.

If we want to give them jobs to do as punishment, chain gangs cleaning the streets, painting walls, that sort of thing, would be my preference.

starbelgrade

EAT DA POO POO

Gummy Panda

starbelgrade wrote: »

EAT DA POO POO

Like ice-cream
Like ice-cream

Nijmegen

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Like ice-cream
Like ice-cream

2 prisoners, 1 bucket.

Wertz

I hadn't read the linked article before initialy posting...this is about Thornton Hall. The OP would like us to spend millions (and millions have already been pissed into the wind in the land aqcuisition alone) in building a new prison but keep the victorian era "plumbing is for the rich" attitude that makes Mountjoy the hellhole it is...
To me that makes absolutely no sense, no matter how conservative your views on such matters...
Why bother wasting all that money on state of the art prisons when we have a host of gaols over from the British occupation where we could house prisoners in such conditions?

As an aside, I'd personally like to see Thronton Hall finished and under budget and several of our TDs, senators and senior bankers residing there for a period....and we couldn't possibly have them shovelling their own sh*te could we?

kylith

Nijmegen wrote: »

If we want to give them jobs to do as punishment, chain gangs cleaning the streets, painting walls, that sort of thing, would be my preference.

I agree, cleaning up roads and dragging trolleys and other yuck out of the rivers would be a good use of their time.

Ash.J.Williams

kylith wrote: »

Surely a bucket full of excrement is a weapon, in the right hands.

It can be a chemical weapon of the highest quality in the right hands. (according to a lads mag i read in the 90's!)

starbelgrade

kylith wrote: »

I agree, cleaning up roads and dragging trolleys and other yuck out of the rivers would be a good use of their time.

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mickydoomsux

I'd be happy if their only punishment was to serve the actual full lenght of their sentence.

mathie

kylith wrote: »

Surely a bucket full of excrement is a weapon, in the right hands.

Macgyvturd?

Brendog

Wasn't arsed reading the thread so I'll just ****ing post something that made me laugh.







mama always said, "Laugh is lak a bawx of chawk-lates. You never know whut you're gowna geat."

stovelid

MidlandsM wrote: »

Thoughts?

Does this topic require any?

Wertz

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I'd be happy if their only punishment was to serve the actual full lenght of their sentence.

Stop being unreasonable...where would we house the debt defaulters, road tax/TV license fee avoiders and petty drug offenders?

As for chain gangs and the like, could we honestly handle letting a load of prisoners out for the day to clean up, dig ditches or whatever? I could see that as being logistically very expensive to operate...and we'd need to arm prison officers or marshals to oversee.
Stuff like that is far better suited to community service (which itself should keep people out of jail for lesser offences).

I think in-house industries like laundry services for public hospitals, sorting of recyclable waste and the like could be feasible cost wise (and might cut down on service costs for the HSE/local councils etc)...it would probably need some sort of carrot & stick approach to get prisoners to take it up, but the benefit of instilling some regime and a work ethic for the duration of their stay might do them some good upon release...

kylith

starbelgrade wrote: »

Another man done gone
Another man done gone
Another man done gone
An´unaccounted for
Another man done gone
I didn't know his name
I didn't know his name
I didn't know his name
I didn't know his name
I didn't know his name
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He had a long chain on
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De capt´n don´t know where
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That's why they'd have the exploding neck braces. Get out of range, or try tamper with it, and instant decapitation.

mathie wrote: »

Macgyvturd?

MidlandsM

stovelid wrote: »

Does this topic require any?

Don't post then Stovelid.

Look, the week before last there was a media circus over the ralease of the scumbag Larry Murphy.....boards here was hopping with discussion about him, the media was chock full of stories on him .....but to me its the likes of that walking scum that would get to mount the throne or a morn and have a dump in the privicy and comfort of his own cell whilst reading the paper, then just pull the handle and flush............. after what he and his fellow scummers do or did to society and their victims.

It's too good for them. The can continue to slop out as far as I'm concerned.

BigBrownBear

I don't think anyone should have to get up and sh!t in a bucket during the night with three other people in the room. I'm not a 'do-gooder' by a long stretch, but where's the dignity for the person going to the toilet or the others having to listen and smell the deed.

My name is URL

Who's gonna slop out this thread?

Wertz

MidlandsM wrote: »

Don't post then Stovelid.

Look, the week before last there was a media circus over the ralease of the scumbag Larry Murphy.....boards here was hopping with discussion about him, the media was chock full of stories on him .....but to me its the likes of that walking scum that would get to mount the throne or a morn and have a dump in the privicy and comfort of his own cell whilst reading the paper, then just pull the handle and flush............. after what he and his fellow scummers do or did to society and their victims.

It's too good for them. The can continue to slop out as far as I'm concerned.

Whether Larry Murphy or scumbag rapists like him sh*t in a porcelain bowl or a plastic bucket won't change what they did, what they are nor how it affected their victim...if that's your concern then start a thread on chemical castration or enforced counselling/treatment and properly monitored release, tagging etc.

Also lumping in everyone that's locked up with the most extreme of prisoners is a little OTT...why should the harshest of punishments be imposed on all within the system simply to pacify the public's desire for retribution against the most extreme of criminals such as Murphy?

stovelid

I can take the cushy methods of fecal disposal, but it's the ermine triple-ply jacks roll that gets me.

Is that what my taxes go on? Well, even though I don't know exactly where my taxes are appropriated, I like sanctimoniously intoning about them as if they were a magnanimous gift to society on my behalf.