New VRT rules

Cookie_Monster

NCT before VRT assesment

How are you supposed to get an NCT test at such short notice considering you have to pay VRT within a day or two?
EDIT: re-read the line I missed

HIGH-powered luxury cars being brought into the country from the North and Britain will be targeted in a new clampdown on Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT) fraud.

It will focus on drivers who bring top-of-the-range cars in and falsely declare them as basic models in order to pay less VRT.

From next week, these imported cars will have to be first assessed by the National Car Test (NCT) service to find out if the documentation matches the cars.

A report will then be sent to the Revenue Commissioners, which will determine the due tax.

Until now the Revenue largely took the word of the owner. This meant drivers could declare a top-of-the-range car as as basic models and save a lot of money illegally.

The changes arise out of warnings by the Road Safety Authority, gardai and politicians about VRT fraud and the misrepresentation of car details.

A spokesperson for the Revenue confirmed that staff do not currently examine all vehicles for registration.

From September 1, all imported vehicles will have to be brought to an NCT centre for a registration assessment, at a cost of €37.36.

The cost can be deducted from the eventual VRT bill.

Car dealers will be exempt from the process as they operate a different system using a car's "birth certificate".

Under the new system, owners will also be given seven days to book an appointment with the NCT and 30 days to complete the re-registration, instead of the current 24-hour deadline.

The Revenue said the new system would minimise the levels of VRT evasion through misidentification or misrepresentation as this would not happen when the NCT carried out pre-registration checks.

It would also ensure full compliance with EU directives on minimum safety rules, emissions and other standards.

Redeployed

Revenue officials working in vehicle examinations are to be redeployed to other duties.

Under the new rules, vehicles over four years old imported into the country must have a valid NCT cert.

Automobile Association spokesman Conor Faughnan said it was important every second-hand car was properly checked.

But he also claimed that VRT was an unfair tax that created an artificial trade barrier in the EU.

He said the AA had also raised concerns before about the level of "clocking" in imported cars. This involves tampering with the mileage clock to give a false lower reading.

Padraig Mor

BS article. Were 'high powered luxury cars' (Audi, BMW, MB etc) not having their VIN sent to the manufacturer anyway to determine the exact level of equipment? The change is more likely to catch people importing high spec 'ordinary' cars (say a Mondeo with leather and sat nav) which were more likely to 'get away with it' up to now. Of cousre that wouldn't make an interesting article....

olewy

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

NCT before VRT assesment

How are you supposed to get an NCT test at such short notice considering you have to pay VRT within a day or two?

"Under the new system, owners will also be given seven days to book an appointment with the NCT and 30 days to complete the re-registration, instead of the current 24-hour deadline."

37 days to get VRT paid AFAIK.

Anan1

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

How are you supposed to get an NCT test at such short notice considering you have to pay VRT within a day or two?

According to the article you posted, it's an assessment not an NCT test, and owners have 7 days to book an appointment and 30 days to complete the rereg.

kildare.17hmr

Any merc, bmw, audi and a few other expensive makes and models thats less than 4 yrs old when your paying VRT is visually inspected by the revenue official and extras charged for leather, alloys, sunroof and sat nav ect, I even had a 2007 Peugeot 307 inspected because as the girl doing the vrt said, the come with lots of extras and you have to be charged for them! people bringing in the top end cars are already getting charged all the extras, I think the 2nd post is right, its gonna affect the higher spec mainstreem cars more

Cookie_Monster

olewy wrote: »

"Under the new system, owners will also be given seven days to book an appointment with the NCT and 30 days to complete the re-registration, instead of the current 24-hour deadline."

37 days to get VRT paid AFAIK.

Anan1 wrote: »

According to the article you posted, it's an assessment not an NCT test, and owners have 7 days to book an appointment and 30 days to complete the rereg.

Sorry musta missed that line, anyway still partially valid. Last time I went for an NCT the nearest one was 6 weeks away or something like that. I highly doubt there is 7 days availability of tests as standard now.

kildare.17hmr

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Sorry musta missed that line, anyway still partially valid. Last time I went for an NCT the nearest one was 6 weeks away or something like that. I highly doubt there is 7 days availability of tests as standard now.

But its not an NCT its just a pre reg inspection. if it did come into affect there would have to be an agreement with the NCT to accomidate it

Cookie_Monster

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

But its not an NCT its just a pre reg inspection. if it did come into affect there would have to be an agreement with the NCT to accomidate it

but this:

Under the new rules, vehicles over four years old imported into the country must have a valid NCT cert.

is also stated, which makes it sound like a full NCT to me before registration.

kildare.17hmr

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

is also stated, which makes it sound like a full NCT to me before registration.

"From September 1, all imported vehicles will have to be brought to an NCT centre for a registration assessment, at a cost of €37.36."

I know i saw that too but thats the case anyway with any 4 yr old car. They cant test a car without having a registration number so i think looking at it logicly you will have to get the pre inspection done, pay your VRT and then book your car in to be tested immediatly.

tobsey

Would I be right in thinking that there are a lot of cars, especially jap imports, being imported as bog standard models when in fact they were high powered turbo versions? When I read the article I assumed that's what they were targetting. People getting insured on what seems a small low power car which in fact is extremely high powered.

kildare.17hmr

You are right that was going on but this is about your luxury cars, ie merc bmw audi ect

Example, a BMW 320i with no extras, bargain basment inteerier ect would be worth alot less than a 320i with full leather, big alloys, parking assist, bluetooth ect. they want to adjust their open market selling price to reflect the differance spec of the same cars and get more money through one of the most rediculas taxes in this country

Padraig Mor

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

You are right that was going on but this is about your luxury cars, ie merc bmw audi ect

Example, a BMW 320i with no extras, bargain basment inteerier ect would be worth alot less than a 320i with full leather, big alloys, parking assist, bluetooth ect. they want to adjust their open market selling price to reflect the differance spec of the same cars and get more money through one of the most rediculas taxes in this country

That's the point I made earlier. They were ALREADY doing this. If you turned up to the VRT office in your 320i, they didn't even look at it. They took the VIN and forwarded it to BMW who let them know the exact equipment on the car and the OMSP was adjusted accordingly. I believe this arrangement was in place for BMW, Audi, Merc and VW. Maybe some others too.

yop

So you now have to pay 37 euro to get them to see how much VRT you have to pay.... I love this country.

kildare.17hmr

Iv never heard of them sending off the vin to a dealer before, iv VRTd plenty of high class cars and a visual inspection by the revenue official is enough to see what equipment a car has

Padraig Mor

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

Iv never heard of them sending off the vin to a dealer before, iv VRTd plenty of high class cars and a visual inspection by the revenue official is enough to see what equipment a car has

It's been well covered here before; I believe they're doing it since early 2008 or so. Unless you were VRTing older cars (no VRT on extras after 4 yrs) or were just lucky?

tobsey

yop wrote: »

So you now have to pay 37 euro to get them to see how much VRT you have to pay.... I love this country.

see the article:

"From September 1, all imported vehicles will have to be brought to an NCT centre for a registration assessment, at a cost of €37.36.

The cost can be deducted from the eventual VRT bill."

kildare.17hmr

Padraig Mor wrote: »

It's been well covered here before; I believe they're doing it since early 2008 or so. Unless you were VRTing older cars (no VRT on extras after 4 yrs) or were just lucky?

Must of been lucky! last yr i did quite a few 320D bmw, 06 and 07 and in 2008 we sold heaps of new enough audi bmw and mercs. Al were inspected at the time in the vrt office and note taken of extras and price adjusted accordingly.

EDIT: thats not to say they did not contact a main dealer looking for info but if they did i never knew about it.

bazz26

They don't contact dealers. The local VRO office contact the VRO head office in Rosslare who have access to a database with details of the car's original factory specification. They only query BMW, Audi, Merc, etc that are 4 years or younger as extras are depreciated over a 4 year period by Revenue afaik.

kildare.17hmr

bazz26 wrote: »

They don't contact dealers. The local VRO office contact the VRO head office in Rosslare who have access to a database with details of the car's original factory specification.QUOTE]
Thats exactly what i was told by the VRO before

nice_guy80

tobsey wrote: »

see the article:

"From September 1, all imported vehicles will have to be brought to an NCT centre for a registration assessment, at a cost of €37.36.

The cost can be deducted from the eventual VRT bill."

Ah, and the VRT bill will magically be increased by €40

this is just generating more revenue for the company that holds the contract for NCT testing. they must be well connected to have lobbied for this change!!

blingrhino

bazz and padraig are 100% correct

PSol

I can't believe this :mad:.

Was planning to import my other half's old car from the UK before Christmas. It's a 2005 but it has a nice few gadgets and now I'm worried it's going to cost us more to register .

Stupid government seem to have just let this slip out quietly grrrr. Just happened to see it in a 2 inch column in the newspaper today.

I've been checking the revenue website and I found this though as one of the requirement documents for used cars:

For vehicles over 4 years old, an unexpired roadworthiness certificate confirming that an equivalent to the NCT test has been passed. Where this documentation is not available, the vehicle may be called for an NCT roadworthiness test shortly after registration.

Does anyone know if this means it won't need an NCT if it has an MOT? I thought previously it had to have an NCT irrespective of whether it had an MOT or not. Maybe some 'faint' light at the end of the tunnel although I would be very surprised.....

REDLAD123

Thread resurrection time

My mate his selling his July 1980 Merc. Its on UK plates at the moment.. I know the VRT on it will be €50.. Will I have to do this "pre-reg check" thing with the NCT for that car?? PS I know the car will NOT be NCT exempt as it was 1st registered after Jan 1st 1980..

VolvoMan

Why don't our government focus on real motoring issues like clocking and how easy it is to flog a Category B car in this country rather than matters that concern their own pocket?

corktina

VolvoMan wrote: »

Why don't our government focus on real motoring issues like clocking and how easy it is to flog a Category B car in this country rather than matters that concern their own pocket?

their pocket is our pocket....:D

corktina

REDLAD123 wrote: »

Thread resurrection time

My mate his selling his July 1980 Merc. Its on UK plates at the moment.. I know the VRT on it will be €50.. Will I have to do this "pre-reg check" thing with the NCT for that car?? PS I know the car will NOT be NCT exempt as it was 1st registered after Jan 1st 1980..

He will have to take it to an NCT centre (not all of them do this so check) having made an appointment within 7 days of import. He will need to show a receipt with date of purchase and proof of date imported. Car will need to have a stamped number on the chassis rather tahn a VIN plate.

(sounds to me as if he's had the car a while, in which case he has a problem. My guess is they will be looking out for cars re-registered just after they reach 30 yrs old....)


As I had pionted out to me by a Gard the other day, he is not entitled to sell a UK (or other forign) reg car in this country...

VolvoMan

corktina wrote: »

their pocket is our pocket....:D

As far as I'm concerned our pocket goes mostly towards subsidising those involved in the government, not the government itself.

corktina

VolvoMan wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned our pocket goes mostly towards subsidising those involved in the government, not the government itself.

i dont get it...the VRT is still €50....wheres the increase to line their pockets?

Basil Fawlty

If you have to pay NCTS €37 euro to inspect the car then revenue only gets €13. Sounds good to me they dont deserve a penny.

Grimreaper666

yop wrote: »

So you now have to pay 37 euro to get them to see how much VRT you have to pay.... I love this country.

So yet another tax so on top of an illegal one, unf*cking believable...........

The Guvnor

It seems a bit silly tbf the whole thing but then it usually is.

How much of an actual difference will it make?

Next year I plan on importing a v6 tdi se touareg which has a few extras over basic which might be electric seats but the basic spec is high anyway.

Basically all they are saying is they will not commit to giving you a VRT price until you actually have the car in the country.

VolvoMan

corktina wrote: »

i dont get it...the VRT is still €50....wheres the increase to line their pockets?

So you're trying to tell me that VRT on all cars, new and used, is only 50 euro

corktina

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

So yet another tax so on top of an illegal one, unf*cking believable...........

the €37 is deducted from the VRT payable....and give over with the illegal tax, it isnt ....

corktina

VolvoMan wrote: »

So you're trying to tell me that VRT on all cars, new and used, is only 50 euro

did I say that?

VolvoMan

corktina wrote: »

did I say that?

i dont get it...the VRT is still €50....wheres the increase to line their pockets?

corktina

in the case under discussion...