Deer rifle for paper

Deerspotter

Will the old deer rifle e.g. 6.5 x 5.5 CZ with Zeiss scope (very average) be any good at competition level shooting?
Norma Balistic tip ammo.

Only used to shooting deer and would never miss with in 200m.

(not me) my naive mate. Thinks he'll get to olympic level.
I don't even own a gun.

tac foley

Deerspotter wrote: »

Will the old deer rifle e.g. 6.5 x 5.5 CZ with Zeiss scope (very average) be any good at competition level shooting?
Norma Balistic tip ammo.

Only used to shooting deer and would never miss with in 200m.

(not me) my naive mate. Thinks he'll get to olympic level.
I don't even own a gun.

Sir - the 6.5x55 has been the Olympic moving target cartridge as well as the most popular 300m match ISSF cartridge for very many years. Only the .220 Russian cartridge - mostly used in the moving target/running boar competition - has ever achieved anything like making a dent in the numbers of 6.5x55 rifles shot in these two types of shooting.

ALL the Nordic shooting comps, including the biathlon, shot by the Nordic countries since the beginning of the last century, has been this calibre - renowned for its built-in accuracy and low recoil characteristics. My biathlon rifle was a 1921-made Carl Gustav. With service ammunition - Swedish, Norwegian or Danish - it shot around MOA all the day long.

tac

Deerspotter

So if he gets his ass down to range and shoots at paper for a few months and is committed, he could be a winner?
Amazing.

Kramer

tac foley wrote: »

My biathlon rifle was a 1921-made Carl Gustav. With service ammunition - Swedish, Norwegian or Danish - it shot around MOA all the day long.

That bad? Really?
Sure you would be at nothing here with it then as most of the posters here shoot .3 moa @ 300 yards off the shoulder with factory rifles & cheap factory ammo .

OP, if he's an anyway half decent shot he'd beat 90% of our best shooters.................with a shotgun :D:P.

Sparks

tac foley wrote: »

Sir - the 6.5x55 has been the Olympic moving target cartridge as well as the most popular 300m match ISSF cartridge for very many years. Only the .220 Russian cartridge - mostly used in the moving target/running boar competition - has ever achieved anything like making a dent in the numbers of 6.5x55 rifles shot in these two types of shooting.

And 6mmBR, which half the european shooters seem to be using (including all the Irish shooters, all five or six of them ).

And .308 once you get outside the top hundred or three in the international circuit, because .308 was cheaper to train with (and at 60 rounds + sighters for a prone match and 120 + sighters for a 3-P match, cost is a factor).

Sparks

The record score is held by a 6.5 though, for what that's worth.

Deerspotter

Not getting the humour and don't know what MOA is.

Sparks

Kramer wrote: »

That bad? Really?
Sure you would be at nothing here with it then as most of the posters here shoot .3 moa @ 300 yards off the shoulder with factory rifles & cheap factory ammo

On a bad stormy day on the range in high wind and dressed in realtree camo

It wasn't me!

Deerspotter wrote: »

Not getting the humour and don't know what MOA is.

Minute of Angle or MOA equates roughly to a one inch group at a hundred yards. That is, that the centres of each bullet strike will be within one inch of one another at that distance. It's taken as a benchmark for a reasonably accurate rifle.

Sparks

Deerspotter wrote: »

Not getting the humour and don't know what MOA is.

Minute of Arc - it's a measure of angle equal to 1/60 of a degree. A good rifle will shoot well enough to be accurate to within this much at the range it's normally used at (ie, aim at a target and your round will land less than 1 minute of arc away from your aimpoint on a perfectly still day with no wind or other external factors). Really good rifles are even more accurate.

(1 MOA is about 1" at 100 yards, 2" at 200 yards, 3" at 300 yards and so on)

Tackleberrywho

Here is what a deer hunting rifle did @ 100yards.(3 Remington MATCH ammo I think 155grain, I can't find the box to confirm) Remington VTR 20" barrel.
I scorched a little mark on cardboard as point of aim and then I squeezed off three shots.

The rounds are .308 and I use it for deer.
However this rifle would only have a chance out to 300yards or so competitively, after that the longer barreled rifles would do better.

Must TARGET .308 rifle shooters prefer the 30" Barrel for mid to long range shooting.

So yer mate could have an uphill battle competing with lads that shoot competitively

Saying that in a sporter class he might have a chance, but he might need a high mag scope to see the hits

tac foley

Sparks wrote: »

The record score is held by a 6.5 though, for what that's worth.

:=)

tac

tac foley

Kramer wrote: »

That bad? Really? Sure you would be at nothing here with it then as most of the posters here shoot .3 moa @ 300 yards off the shoulder with factory rifles & cheap factory ammo .

OP, if he's an anyway half decent shot he'd beat 90% of our best shooters.................with a shotgun :D:P.

Mine is an ex-military service rifle, with a grade 2 condition barrel, open sights and military surplus ammunition. I'm more than happy to let you shoot it and do better than I can if you come over here.

We don't all shoot 5000 euro custom target rifles with high-powered scopes.

tac

Tackleberrywho

tac foley wrote: »

:=)

tac

Very impressed with Smilie face semi colon minus and closed bracket

; - )

I had a Swedish Mauser 6.5x55 and a sako.
With the same ammo Lapua 108 grainers they would group identicle at 200!

One made in 1910, one made in 2001

tac foley

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Very impressed with Smilie face semi colon minus and closed bracket

; - )

I had a Swedish Mauser 6.5x55 and a sako.
With the same ammo Lapua 108 grainers they would group identicle at 200!

One made in 1910, one made in 2001

Ah, semi-colon, EQUALS sign and closed bracket, Sir.

Swedes is good for ya. My cousin Olli says so.

tac

Tackleberrywho

tac foley wrote: »

Ah, semi-colon, EQUALS sign and closed bracket, Sir.

Swedes is good for ya. My cousin Olli says so.

tac

Swedes,if yuou mean tall blone women then "yes " BIG SMILING FACE

Kramer

tac foley wrote: »

We don't all shoot 5000 euro custom target rifles with high-powered scopes.

I can't believe Tackleberry paid €5000 for his Remmington .
AFAIK Tack has a standard factory Remmington rifle in .308 & it's quite apparent from his attached picture that he can shoot < 0.2 MOA with that
I'm not sure if he reloads though - he might be in the UK or in NI . If not, even better shooting with factory ammo .

Tackleberry, sir, fine shooting :cool:

Just for the record, I regularly shoot 0.002" groups with my trusty .22lr (@ 100 yards). I won't say how much smaller my groups are with my .243 as I don't want to embarrass anyone :P:p:D

PS. Tackleberry, if you did pay €5k for the Remmy, you got screwed . You must PM me with the dealer's details immediately :pac::pac:

Kramer

tac foley wrote: »

Mine is an ex-military service rifle, with a grade 2 condition barrel, open sights and military surplus ammunition.

Not a bother m8. I know not everyone can afford quality new gear but is the recession that bad over there that you can't even afford a cheap chinese scope of some sort?
Man, you can't even buy decent factory ammo - that sucks Truth be told, I'm up to my ankles in brass here most days burning through Lapua factory stuff @ €2 a pop (we can't reload here )
Upside is brass is quite valuable these days & I get a few hundred €uros back from the local scrapyard for my used brass a couple of times a month .

I'll decline the offer to travel over to shoot your 2nd hand rifle but thanks for that.
If you ever feel the need to shoot a good quality new target rifle with attached scope, I'm not sure what to advise other than work harder or get a better job .

Tackleberrywho

Kramer wrote: »

I can't believe Tackleberry paid €5000 for his Remmington .
AFAIK Tack has a standard factory Remmington rifle in .308 & it's quite apparent from his attached picture that he can shoot < 0.2 MOA with that
I'm not sure if he reloads though - he might be in the UK or in NI . If not, even better shooting with factory ammo .

Tackleberry, sir, fine shooting :cool:

Just for the record, I regularly shoot 0.002" groups with my trusty .22lr (@ 100 yards). I won't say how much smaller my groups are with my .243 as I don't want to embarrass anyone :P:p:D

PS. Tackleberry, if you did pay €5k for the Remmy, you got screwed . You must PM me with the dealer's details immediately :pac::pac:

Remington VTR .308
€950
Reflex Moderator €260
Nightforce scopes and Rings €1500
Harris Bipod €127
Total €2737

Ammo was Rmington MATCH Factory Ammo.
I'd love to try Hornady TAP but I am out of it currently, I'm collecting some HPS ammo soon to see if I can improve any more

I've got smaller groups with my .223, but that is a smaller round

Mr Foley. i did Modify my rifle a bit, a serious re-crown was done, and I free floated it DIY style, pics on "The rifle Pimping Thread"

However, the Nightforce scope I bought second hand & I will keep it for a long tim,e as it serves me well.

Tackleberrywho

Here is my VSSF II Remington .223
Its a hunting rifle, with a little bit of pimping

3 shot Hornady 55grain 100yards

Both of these are hunting Rifles with Factory Ammo!

tac foley

In response to Mr Kramer - we were also discussing long-range targetty-type rifles in esoteric 6 and 6.5-ishy- calibres.

A custom FT rifle plus a suitable scope can easily bust 500 euros.

tac

tac foley

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Remington VTR .308
€950
Reflex Moderator €260
Nightforce scopes and Rings €1500
Harris Bipod €127
Total €2737

Ammo was Rmington MATCH Factory Ammo.
I'd love to try Hornady TAP but I am out of it currently, I'm collecting some HPS ammo soon to see if I can improve any more

I've got smaller groups with my .223, but that is a smaller round

Mr Foley. i did Modify my rifle a bit, a serious re-crown was done, and I free floated it DIY style, pics on "The rifle Pimping Thread"

However, the Nightforce scope I bought second hand & I will keep it for a long tim,e as it serves me well.

Good stuff, Sir. I'd sure like to own it.

tac