Cornette and Eric discuss Drawing~!

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I was meant to post this last week, some of ye will have seen it but others won't.:)

It all began when Eric Bischoff on his Bookface account asked people about who draw and what draw these days. He didn't take kindly to some responses.:pac::pac:

Eric Bischoff made some posts on Facebook in response to the recent Hulk Hogan/Twitter controversy:

"Can anyone name "new, young" talent that has drawn money (thats the real barometer in the business of the wrestling business" over the last 10 years?"

"Interesting resonses. Clearly the majority of people here have NO IDEA what drawing money is. ROH is not making money on TV, PPV or arena shows. Its a backyard vanity project for marks. No disrespect to the talent who are working hard, but NUMBERS DONT LIE, THEY DONT HAVE OPINIONS AND THEY DON'T HAVE AGENDAS."

"Talent that 'draws money' sell out major arenas, they set PPV records that they main event in, they sell millions of dollars of merchandise and migrate into mainstream media. It takes time. No top talent that has ACTUALLY DRAWN MONEY has been in the biz for less than 8 years with only two exceptions."

"IMO social media has become the fly paper for the most vocal and the smallest percentage of fans. Most of the people who are the most active are losers/uneducated miscreants whose only validation of self comes from readng their own comments. 90% of the viewing audience have a completely differect pov (based on REAL research)."

Basically he was saying the IWC was out of touch etc, grouch Eric much?:pac:


Cornette replied however it was much more thoughtful and fascinating article than I expected it to be. The cheap shots were kept to a minimum.

OMMENTS ON THERE BEING NO 'DRAWING' TALENTS IN THE LAST DECADE, BISCHOFF CALLING ROH A 'BACKYARD VANITY' GROUP AND MORE
By Mike Johnson on 2010-08-14 21:48:42 Jim Cornette responded to a fan question on his official website at www.JimCornette.com asking him his take on Eric Bischoff's comments on talents not drawing in the last decade, Ring of Honor and more:
Traditionally, a guy who "draws money" means a guy who, when you have put him in main events or important programs, sells more tickets (or PPV buys these days) than other people who have been in a same/similar spot, and has done this not just once or twice but on a consistent basis. There used to be dozens and dozens of top guys who "drew money" in the territory days. Now, there are a few, and they ARE all in WWE. The problem is, as Bischoff either doesn't want to admit or is too clueless to know, is that the way people like him have changed the business is the reason, not lack of talent on the young guy's parts.

In the territory days, the promoters didn't care WHO drew as long as someone did, they would push anyone they thought could draw, all their businesses were reasonably healthy, and they hadn't exposed everything/given people such bad booking and silly **** so that when angles were shot, they actually increased business. Now, these young guys are seldom put in the spot to draw to begin with because the "stars" have guaranteed contracts, and if you're paying someone main event money you keep them in the main event, so few get the CHANCE to prove they can draw money (It happens some in WWE, and rarely in TNA)--it doesn't apply in TNA to begin with as some of the biggest draws of the past 20 years work/have worked there and still haven't sold tickets/PPV's/increased ratings, because the booking and company structure itself is incompetant.

Does that mean those guys "can't draw" because the company they work for has lost tens of millions and still doesn't make a profit of any real size? Also, since it's been 10 years since anyone in pro wrestling drew BIG money, not because of the talent but because of the ****ty booking and poorly run companies, as well as the fact that WWE and TNA have made angles/big matches mostly meaningless by doing them too often, badly, and telling people they're all phony to begin with, someone has to be blamed--are these companies going to blame themselves, or their children or families, or "writers"? No--they blame the talent. Companies like ROH struggle because WWE and TNA have made LESS people, not MORE, interested in wrestling.

He also shows his ignorance of his current residence in a glass house--if ROH is a "backyard vanity project for marks", what is TNA, since TNA has lost tens of millions MORE than ROH has lost in the exact same time in business, doesn't that mean that ROH is behind WWE but ahead of TNA? Do we grade by gross revenue or total profit? WWE has created an environment where WWE draws as a show, like the Harlem Globetrotters or Holiday on Ice, and the stars on a particular card mean less than they ever have.

To truly have guys in the business who "draw money" again, we would have to pitch out the dreck like Bischoff and others who don't respect or understand wrestling, who think they are Emmy award winning "real" TV producers, ditch the comedy writers like Russo and Stephanie McMahon's comic reading college kids, and push wrestlers who win, lose and chase championships. People will watch what wrestling is now on TV for free, and a few hundred thousand might buy the pPV's, but ticket sales for wrestling will NEVER approach what they once were without taking those steps.

That is why all the guys today who are actually draws, who sell live event tickets and PPV's in big numbers, almost all work for Dana White, the most successful pro wrestling promoter in the world. He just calls it UFC. Bischoff sees no similarity bewtween MMA/UFC and pro wrestling, which is why he is doomed to be a guy that was successful for 2 years out of a 20 year career. BTW, what other executive in any company actively dislikes, disagrees with, ignores and insults the 10% of people who are most dedicated to/spend the most money on their product or service?

All of his "crossover to mainstream culture" bull**** is because people like him, Hogan, McMahon, Russo, etc are all embarrassed to admit they are in the wrestling business (and the business hates to admit it has them) and they all want to be "real" stars--only the Rock has done that, but I wish all I named would leave our business to try!

This is just my offhand impression of this nitwit's comments, but I think you're wasting time trying to quiz Eric Bischoff on anything other than a good hair dye, a nice tanbed, a well-fitting set of dentures and the current price of a 3 way at the Gold Club. Feel free to repost any/all of this if you want.

Jim Cornette

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=49973

Eric you just got served.:)

CMpunked

Anyone ever see bishoffs fb page?
It's an insane place, anyone who disagrees with ANYTHING that EB says, gets booted and blocked.

So the place is just full of his marks. So weird.

Gerard.C

There's only so many times I can listen to/read one of Jim Cornettes rants. He's a bit of an eejit

Machismo Fan

Gerard.C wrote: »

There's only so many times I can listen to/read one of Jim Cornettes rants. He's a bit of an eejit

They're both eejits really. I still don't get why people still pay attention when they say anything.

Gerard.C

Machismo Fan wrote: »

They're both eejits really. I still don't get why people still pay attention when they say anything.

Ya tis true alright. Bischoff doesnt seem as agressive and OTT as Cornette though. That fella is never happy, he's always ranting or having a go at someone

Wompa1

I love listening to Cornette but probably because I've been watching wrestling since the late 80's at this stage. I relate to his ideas about wrestling more so than the entertainment side of things. That and he use to have his rant promos on Raw which his interviews always remind me of.