NCT Con ?

Discodog

I have just noticed that the NCT are highlighting something. The back of the envelope has the following message:

"There is no advantage in delaying your NCT .......as the Test Certificate is valid for two years from the car's registration anniversary date .......regardless of when you take the NCT !"

So even if you have been out of the Country or not used your car, that time still counts regarding your NCT.

To quote their example a car first registered on 5th Jan 2006 gets NCT'd on the 26 March 2010. The new cert will only be valid to 4th Jan 2012.

Seth Brundle

Thats always been the case with the NCT!

kildare.17hmr

what do you not agree with?? i dont see the con!

Seth Brundle

Its not a con but it is unfair that a car could do a test and the ticket only lasts six months.

Twin-go

Also, that car first registered on 5th Jan 2006 could be NCT'd in Oct 2009 and be valid to 4th Jan 2012.

No Con here.

Discodog

If, for safety reasons, cars are tested every two years & a car passes a test, the cert should be valid for 2 years. I am amazed that no one has challenged this legally.

kildare.17hmr

Twin-go wrote: »

Also, that car first registered on 5th Jan 2006 could be NCT'd in Oct 2009 and be valid to 4th Jan 2012.

No Con here.

It could actually be done in july 2009, first test can be done 6 months in advance and subsiquent tests 3 months in advance

Discodog

Twin-go wrote: »

Also, that car first registered on 5th Jan 2006 could be NCT'd in Oct 2009 and be valid to 4th Jan 2012.

No Con here.

The only reason that happens is to try an avoid the current three month delays.

kildare.17hmr

Discodog wrote: »

The only reason that happens is to try an avoid the current three month delays.

no its not!!! its to get people to do there tests on time and make sure every1 has a valid test on there car when the old one is up

Discodog

The UK MOT is valid from when you take the test not according to registration date. It is totally wrong that you could have a roadworthy car that has passed a test & then have to NCT it again six months later. Irish motorists are amazing in the amount of crap that we will take.

I do not propose to reignite the NCT waiting time argument but suffice to say that they are now even worse than when I raised it before. By accepting early tests the government are saying that it is OK for a car to go more than two years between tests & also saying that you may need one after only six months. No wonder motorists are taking chances & ignoring the NCT.

kildare.17hmr

It putting the onus on the owner to keep a valid test on their car, it rewards you if you obide by the rules and punishes you if you dont, its simple really, if you get your car tested when your supposed to it really wont affect you!

Discodog

Not true. If because your car is off the road or because you are away, you get the car tested "late" then you are penalised by getting less NCT.

Are you suggesting that someone should return from abroad or miraculously make their broken car, that they are not using, better just to get the two years NCT that they are entitled to ?. If so then why do we get a road tax rebate ?. The tax office recognises that you don't need tax.

And yes I do know that the government are proposing vehicle tax even if the car is off the road.

kildare.17hmr

it is true! but for people who are using their cars all the time

I do agree with ya tho about the car being off the road or not being used, i dont think it would be hard to implement something like the current way of taxing a car thats been off the road and apply it to the nct

mickdw

Its only an issue if you are out step with the system. For practically everyone, this is 100% fair & it is also useful in that it stops people trying to gain by leaving the test for a month or 2.
What some people would do if they were only going to get a valid cert for a few months is forget about the test until the registration date of the car passes & then apply, thereby getting a full 2 years.

Discodog

My neighbour was stopped at the weekend at a checkpoint. He had put his NCT booking letter in the NCT slot on his screen. The Guard asked when is the NCT. My neighbour said mid October. The Guard replied that he had done well to get such an early date !.

Given the current huge delays the government would suffer a loss of revenue if they played fair & gave us our entitled two years. If everyone claims their free test then the NCT company will go bankrupt,

Discodog

mickdw wrote: »

Its only an issue if you are out step with the system. For practically everyone, this is 100% fair & it is also useful in that it stops people trying to gain by leaving the test for a month or 2.
What some people would do if they were only going to get a valid cert for a few months is forget about the test until the registration date of the car passes & then apply, thereby getting a full 2 years.

You cannot make law on the idea of it being fair to the majority & totally unfair to the rest.

stevenmu

The counter-argument is that the point isn't for cars to get tested for the next two years, it's to get them tested every two years.

I suspect a lot of the reason for this is to discourage people from not bothering with the test and then getting one when it suits them to have a two year NCT on it (like when they go to sell etc). It's true this doesn't really take into account people who've had their car off the road etc, but I think trying to implement something like this would just leave loopholes that would be taken advantage of.

mickdw

Discodog wrote: »

You cannot make law on the idea of it being fair to the majority & totally unfair to the rest.

But the system works reasonably well. You still pay for the same number of tests as if the car was on the road full time.

djimi

Discodog wrote: »

You cannot make law on the idea of it being fair to the majority & totally unfair to the rest.

Isnt that the basis of how all laws work? Speed limits for example are fair to those who choose to abide by them but unfair to those who prefer to drive at 90mph+. Its an unfair to lazy people to have parking laws but thats how it works.

I agree with the point that if a car is registered as being off the road then the NCT should only take effect from the time that it is back on the road again, but for a car that is in constant use then I really dont see what difference it makes. You get two years between tests. The only way you would get less time on one test is if you have made up more time since the previous test, ie if your previous test was in Jan 08 and you test the car again in Apr 10 then you have had 27 months on the previous test and as a consequence will only have 21 months on the next test. It still adds up to 4 years.

Discodog

Just don't go to the UK for 22 months !. I would be a bit upset if I had to have two NCT's in the space of a couple of months.

The NCT company & the government know that we will acquiesce to anything. If the thousands that are due a free NCT actually claimed it then the waiting times would drop dramatically. Even the AA have become government spokesmen rather than campaigners for motorists - & to think that they used to warn motorists of speed traps !

2 stroke

A fairer system would be for the test to become due on the anniverary of change of ownership, for second hand cars.

Discodog

Discodog wrote: »

.........t then the waiting times would drop dramatically.

I rang the NCT folk to book a car in last Friday, got a test for Friday 24th. Gearbox went on Saturday though so I cancelled it. Anyone who wants a test soonish can get one.

P1ss poor thread really, one for ranting and raving maybe ?

Fishtits

I could never figure out if this was to raise maximum revenue or just due to some admin hiccup that was deemed to much hassle to overcome.

I'm sure the Politicos will claim it was an intentional incentive to get tested when due...

kasper

a high percentage of cars are registered in the first three months of the year so the most tests will be due then , very badly thought out seeing a reasonable test date can not be had this late in the year

Senna

I do think the date should be from when the car is first registers in Ireland, as if you buy a car abroad you could be unlucky and the registration anniversary could be in 6 months time. meaning you either get one now that expires in 6 months or drive for 3 months without a test and get the maximum 27 months.

hellyeah

off topic here but dont use the online system for booking as you will wait months. if your flexable with ur times just ring them and you will get a test date. i waited just 2 weeks. got an evening time. deansgrange test center.
busy spot.

Discodog

RoverJames wrote: »

I rang the NCT folk to book a car in last Friday, got a test for Friday 24th. Gearbox went on Saturday though so I cancelled it. Anyone who wants a test soonish can get one.

P1ss poor thread really, one for ranting and raving maybe ?

Or maybe a thread to discuss a stupid situation. Out of interest I phoned the NCT centre. Earliest appointment for Galway was early November.

cjt156

FFS its 50 Euro once every two years - I'd bet most of you would pi$$ that much away on a saturday night without thinking twice. Just pay the fecking thing and get on with it. Some people have to see conspiracy in every little thing - shower of whinging maggots!

alias no.9

Discodog wrote: »

I would be a bit upset if I had to have two NCT's in the space of a couple of months.

So this is all hypothetical, you're having a right good bitch and moan about something that's not even a problem for you.

mickdw

mickdw wrote: »

But the system works reasonably well. You still pay for the same number of tests as if the car was on the road full time.

If you go the full two years without the nct, then you can get a fresh nct for two years. You wouldn't have to back date it.

Discodog

alias no.9 wrote: »

So this is all hypothetical, you're having a right good bitch and moan about something that's not even a problem for you.

So by that logic we don't need to worry about the starving or those that suffer injustice. Just because something doesn't affect you it doesn't mean that it won't affect others.

I find amusing that this forum will always contain those that defend road tax, think that the NCT people are angels etc etc. I wonder if some work for the DOT & are the one's who say feck the motorist.

L1011

2 stroke wrote: »

A fairer system would be for the test to become due on the anniverary of change of ownership, for second hand cars.

Would result in some cars NEVER being tested.