Who's Andy Lee fighting in September?

Feargal as Luimneach

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=344849&cat=boxer

Andy fighting in Chicago on the 17/910. Anybody know who he might be fighting?

bamboozler

a bum no doubt

Big Ears

bamboozler wrote: »

a bum no doubt

Unlikely as he's headlining on ESPN and they won't allow for the opposition to be too soft. Not saying we'll get a top contender either, on 4 weeks notice it's almost a certainty we won't but Lee will probably find himself in against a hardened gatekeeper.

At best probably guys like Ishe Smith or Ossie Duran.
At worst probably the likes of Michael Walker or George Walton.

magma69

bamboozler wrote: »

a bum no doubt

Yup. :mad:

This is apparently the guy!

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=245909&cat=boxer

bamboozler

Big Ears wrote: »

Unlikely as he's headlining on ESPN and they won't allow for the opposition to be too soft. Not saying we'll get a top contender either, on 4 weeks notice it's almost a certainty we won't but Lee will probably find himself in against a hardened gatekeeper.

At best probably guys like Ishe Smith or Ossie Duran.
At worst probably the likes of Michael Walker or George Walton.

sorry my bad, didnt release it was an ESPN headliner. cant pretend to know those who you have mentioned as possible opponents but noticed 3 of them have fought danny jacobs and 2 went the distance and the other 8 rounds.

i then decided to watch pirog KO jacobs and noticed the jim lampley (prompted by manny steward who i think said lee got the result right butlampley thought said rocked) talking how jacob defeated like big prospects khan, andy lee. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJFzmx50X9Q

lee clearly has some sort of rep over there if he can get some good wins he could get his chance to fight someone like jacobs but not pirog for another while.
if macklin had got his fight against pirog in Jan he could of been well in contention for world title shot now if he isnt already.

bamboozler

magma69 wrote: »

Yup. :mad:

This is apparently the guy!

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=245909&cat=boxer

1 win in your last 6 i suppose isnt exactly good. positives though is BigEars says it will be televised and he is keeping active

Dirty whore!

Boxrec have Andy fighting walker on the 17th in chicago but there has been talk about another fight on october 7th in indiana?
Whats the story does anyone know?

Benny Lava

As someone said, he has one win in his last six fights. It was against a shot-to-death Antwun Echols, the guy who was supposed to fight Lee last year but it fell apart because no one bought tickets for it.

I'm not sure what Lee's management are playing at. They seem to want to keep him more active which is a plus but he can't keep fighting these bums who are on inactive losing streaks. He's 26 now and still hasn't stepped up to top 20 middleweight opposition. That's why it's so annoying hearing Manny Steward going on about his world title ambitions. So he beats a couple of bums and he's ready for Sergio Martinez? It's very frustrating seeing him face this level of opposition. Look at Alexei Acosta, he's 22 and has had just eleven fights and in his next fight is facing a former world title challenger with a respectable record. Lee could have fought former Pavlik opponents like Miranda or even Rubio. Beating them wouldn't even mean he was anywhere near ready for a world title shot but at least he'd be going in the right direction. Lee seems to be going backwards. He fought Willie Gibbs in 2008 and I'd say he's a better fighter than anyone Lee has fought this year.

Andy Lee is going nowhere fast.

Kelly green

Benny Lava wrote: »

As someone said, he has one win in his last six fights. It was against a shot-to-death Antwun Echols, the guy who was supposed to fight Lee last year but it fell apart because no one bought tickets for it.

I'm not sure what Lee's management are playing at. They seem to want to keep him more active which is a plus but he can't keep fighting these bums who are on inactive losing streaks. He's 26 now and still hasn't stepped up to top 20 middleweight opposition. That's why it's so annoying hearing Manny Steward going on about his world title ambitions. So he beats a couple of bums and he's ready for Sergio Martinez? It's very frustrating seeing him face this level of opposition. Look at Alexei Acosta, he's 22 and has had just eleven fights and in his next fight is facing a former world title challenger with a respectable record. Lee could have fought former Pavlik opponents like Miranda or even Rubio. Beating them wouldn't even mean he was anywhere near ready for a world title shot but at least he'd be going in the right direction. Lee seems to be going backwards. He fought Willie Gibbs in 2008 and I'd say he's a better fighter than anyone Lee has fought this year.

Andy Lee is going nowhere fast.

Matvey korobov cant even do 6 rounder without ****ting himself and hes 28 years old and without one decent b level opponent on his record. Gennady golovkin is also 28 and hasnt a decent name on his record and still without a real belt. Hassan ndam njikam best win was against belghecham and still no world title. Matthew macklin is 28 years old with two losses in his career already and still know world title. Rubio wouldnt touch lee with a barge pole and thats a fact, the man has recently won a title eliminator and is one away from another world title shot and doesnt need lee or the risk.
Miranda is a super middle weight and will never make 160lbs again.

I could do this all day but i think i made my point about were lee is compared to the considered best in the division. Oh yea lee called out paul williams a couple of weeks ago so he does want the big fights and from listening to him speak i can see confidence in his words. He not miles behind the rest like you think sir.

Benny Lava

Kelly green wrote: »

Matvey korobov cant even do 6 rounder without ****ting himself and hes 28 years old and without one decent b level opponent on his record. Gennady golovkin is also 28 and hasnt a decent name on his record and still without a real belt. Hassan ndam njikam best win was against belghecham and still no world title. Matthew macklin is 28 years old with two losses in his career already and still know world title. Rubio wouldnt touch lee with a barge pole and thats a fact, the man has recently won a title eliminator and is one away from another world title shot and doesnt need lee or the risk.
Miranda is a super middle weight and will never make 160lbs again.

I could do this all day but i think i made my point about were lee is compared to the considered best in the division. Oh yea lee called out paul williams a couple of weeks ago so he does want the big fights and from listening to him speak i can see confidence in his words. He not miles behind the rest like you think sir.

Macklin is a former British and European Champion and has wins over Elcock and Asikainen and should have one over Darren Barker next month. This mightn't be enough to suggest he could beat Dmitry Pirog or anything but it's a much better career path than Andy Lee has taken. Macklin was beaten quite badly by Jamie Moore but he has improved since then. Lee has regressed since his defeat to Brian Vera. As for the fellow middleweights you mentioned, yes Lee's record doesn't look as bad when you consider their level of opposition but it still doesn't hide the fact that he's nowhere near ready for a world title shot. The fact that N'Jikam is highly rated without having faced anyone of note shows how poor the division really is. However, this is no excuse for facing the fighters Lee has faced recently.

Kelly green

Benny Lava wrote: »

Macklin is a former British and European Champion and has wins over Elcock and Asikainen and should have one over Darren Barker next month. This mightn't be enough to suggest he could beat Dmitry Pirog or anything but it's a much better career path than Andy Lee has taken. Macklin was beaten quite badly by Jamie Moore but he has improved since then. Lee has regressed since his defeat to Brian Vera. As for the fellow middleweights you mentioned, yes Lee's record doesn't look as bad when you consider their level of opposition but it still doesn't hide the fact that he's nowhere near ready for a world title shot. The fact that N'Jikam is highly rated without having faced anyone of note shows how poor the division really is. However, this is no excuse for facing the fighters Lee has faced recently.

At age 26 macklin was not a british title holder or a european title holder he was face first down on the canvas thanks to jaime moore.
Whats to say lee wont be a world title holder by 27 nevermind 28?
You do know that lee is on stand by for a world title shot against sturm if lorenzo pulls out right? and is most likely to get his shot straight after if not.

Benny Lava

Kelly green wrote: »

Whats to say lee wont be a world title holder by 27 nevermind 28?

Well his current rate of stepping up would suggest that it is highly improbable that he will be a world champion within the next two years.

Kelly green wrote: »

You do know that lee is on stand by for a world title shot against sturm if lorenzo pulls out right? and is most likely to get his shot straight after if not.

We'll have to wait and see but I really don't think he's ready.

Big Ears

Benny Lava wrote: »

As someone said, he has one win in his last six fights. It was against a shot-to-death Antwun Echols, the guy who was supposed to fight Lee last year but it fell apart because no one bought tickets for it.

I'm not sure what Lee's management are playing at. They seem to want to keep him more active which is a plus but he can't keep fighting these bums who are on inactive losing streaks. He's 26 now and still hasn't stepped up to top 20 middleweight opposition. That's why it's so annoying hearing Manny Steward going on about his world title ambitions. So he beats a couple of bums and he's ready for Sergio Martinez? It's very frustrating seeing him face this level of opposition. Look at Alexei Acosta, he's 22 and has had just eleven fights and in his next fight is facing a former world title challenger with a respectable record. Lee could have fought former Pavlik opponents like Miranda or even Rubio. Beating them wouldn't even mean he was anywhere near ready for a world title shot but at least he'd be going in the right direction. Lee seems to be going backwards. He fought Willie Gibbs in 2008 and I'd say he's a better fighter than anyone Lee has fought this year.

Andy Lee is going nowhere fast.

I agree with most of the points you have made but I assure you Faccio and Walker are pretty much the same level. Now of course you could point on Acosta is at a different(much earlier) stage of his career so to be fighting such a calibre of fighter already is commendable, and you'd be right.

Walker isn't a great fighter, but they're keeping Lee active and he's a huge step up from James Cook. He's also an easy gauge to compare Andy with Guerrero and Jacobs, which is probably one of the many reasons Walker was picked. I'm confident Lee's opposition will pick up for his fight after Walker, unless he's fighting on both the 17th of September and the 2nd of october(very unlikely) in which case it'd probably be a step down.

Lee is being rebuilt as a name in America and almost bizarrely it's started to work already. An easy stoppage win over a low enough level journeyman(Cook) with 20 seconds highlights on ESPN has already been enough to get some people in America talking about Lee as a contender again. While the Walker fight will be treated negatively by Irish fans(for obvious reasons), in America that will register as his most significant fight since Vera.

It may be frustrating to look at Andy lee's career but I reckon we'll be seeing him in some big, dangerous fights in 12 months time, either at or just short of World title level.