Using your club to place the ball on the teeing ground

Su Campu

You're on a Par 3 teebox and want to hit your shot without using a tee. If you throw down your ball and then use your club to position it on the teeing surface, is that a breach of the rules?

stockdam

No.

charlieIRL

Su Campu wrote: »

You're on a Par 3 teebox and want to hit your shot without using a tee. If you throw down your ball and then use your club to position it on the teeing surface, is that a breach of the rules?

2 shot penalty if you are caught not using a tee on a par 3 in my club.

fullstop

What do you think OP?

PhilipMarlowe

The ball isn't in play until you make a stroke at it. A stroke is the forward movement of the club when you have the intention of hitting the ball.

The ball must be played either from the ground or from a (conforming!) tee within the teeing ground.

Su Campu

fullstop wrote: »

What do you think OP?

Not sure, I've seen the odd person do it and was never sure whether to say anything or not. I would imagine that as you have not yet addressed the ball, then it's no breach, the same way as knocking a ball off the tee when addressing it is no breach either.

PhilipMarlowe

charlieIRL wrote: »

2 shot penalty if you are caught not using a tee on a par 3 in my club.

What a dumb rule in fairness. I almost always use a tee but still would intend to take a divot!

Sir Shankalot

charlieIRL wrote: »

2 shot penalty if you are caught not using a tee on a par 3 in my club.

you are not serious are you? that is not a rule of golf and franky is a ridiculous local rule if true

JCDUB

I don't mind somebody placing their ball on the tee with their club, but it does piss me off when I see people belting the face/back of their club into the ground to create a "natural" tee out of the soil.

If you're gonna do that just use a tee and stop damaging the teeboxes!!

charlieIRL

Licksy wrote: »

What a dumb rule in fairness. I almost always use a tee but still would intend to take a divot!

Sir Shankalot wrote: »

you are not serious are you? that is not a rule of golf and franky is a ridiculous local rule if true

Yupp, signs on the Tee boxes. I always presumed it was to prevent players taking a divot on the tee box and cutting the crap outta it. I'll take a pic next time i'm over.

Riskymove

charlieIRL wrote: »

Yupp, signs on the Tee boxes. I always presumed it was to prevent players taking a divot on the tee box and cutting the crap outta it. I'll take a pic next time i'm over.

in fairness I can see the need for a par 3 course in saving on maintenance etc using a local rule

charlieIRL

Licksy wrote: »

What a dumb rule in fairness. I almost always use a tee but still would intend to take a divot!

Sir Shankalot wrote: »

you are not serious are you? that is not a rule of golf and franky is a ridiculous local rule if true

Yupp, signs on the Tee boxes. I always presumed it was to prevent players taking a divot on the tee box and cutting the crap outta it. I'll take a pic next time i'm over.

Myksyk

Licksy has answered it. On the tee box before teeing off the ball is not 'in play'. You must make an actual stroke intending to hit the ball on the tee box for it to be considered to be 'in play'. In fact you can hit the ball a country mile off the tee box by accident during a practice swing and it is not considered a stroke. Obviously, moving the ball with the club in any way once it is in play is considered a stroke.

Su Campu

I remember getting a bollicking from a guy in Hollywood Lakes because I didn't replace my divot on a Par 3 teebox. I told him you're not supposed to replace them, but that just made him madder! I hope it ruined his round for him, nasty old fart! :rolleyes:

staker

Su Campu wrote: »

I remember getting a bollicking from a guy in Hollywood Lakes because I didn't replace my divot on a Par 3 teebox. I told him you're not supposed to replace them, but that just made him madder! I hope it ruined his round for him, nasty old fart! :rolleyes:

Why not replace 'em?

Su Campu

staker wrote: »

Why not replace 'em?

Because they would lead to unstable footing for others. You can imagine how many there'd be on a Par 3

GreeBo

Myksyk wrote: »

Licksy has answered it. On the tee box before teeing off the ball is not 'in play'. You must make an actual stroke intending to hit the ball on the tee box for it to be considered to be 'in play'. In fact you can hit the ball a country mile off the tee box by accident during a practice swing and it is not considered a stroke. Obviously, moving the ball with the club in any way once it is in play is considered a stroke.

Also important to note that after a fresh air the ball is in play and cannot be touched/moved etc.

GreeBo

Su Campu wrote: »

Because they would lead to unstable footing for others. You can imagine how many there'd be on a Par 3

Exactly, there should be a bucket of sand to fill divots on tees...though this seems to be too much work for some people :mad:

staker

GreeBo wrote: »

Exactly, there should be a bucket of sand to fill divots on tees...though this seems to be too much work for some people :mad:

I've never seen them tbh.
And I've been replacing divots as I don't use a tee on the par 3's.

/Line him up against the wall lads!

Suspicious Dave

Su Campu wrote: »

the same way as knocking a ball off the tee when addressing it is no breach either.

Did not know this. Always assumed it counted as a shot. Do I feel silly.

BUACHAILL

On another note !

Friend of mine playing in comp the other day, was waiting 4-5 mins to tee off, so was just on edge of tee box with his iron chipping ball forward and back killing time, was not lined up at the target nor was ball tee'd up etc, his playing partner tried to say his ball was in play and do him for all his strokes.

Went into club pro and cleared it up, pro said that there was no breach of the rules, anyone confirm or dent this????

What a d.ick in my opinion but if its a rule he was entitled to say something

PhilipMarlowe

You are allowed to practice putting & chipping on the green that you have just finished playing and also allowed practice putting & chipping on/around the tee box of the next hole to be played so long as you don't delay play and can't practice from a hazard.
The committee could bring in a rule against allowing practice putting alright but it's not common (It's not allowed on tour).

BUACHAILL

No its not a local rule in this club I dont think.
My mate in question was on a pretty good score as was this other guy so he thinks it was just all mind games, worked unfortunately !!

Cheers

PhilipMarlowe

Rule 7-2 (Practice) During Round
A player must not make a practice stroke during play of a hole.
Between the play of two holes a player must not make a practice stroke, except that he may practise putting or chipping on or near:
a. the putting green of the hole last played,
b. any practice putting green, or
c. the teeing ground of the next hole to be played in the round, provided a practice stroke is not made from a hazard and does not unduly delay play (Rule 6-7).
...
Note 2: The Committee may, in the conditions of a competition(Rule 33-1), prohibit:
(a) practice on or near the putting green of the hole last played, and
(b) rolling a ball on the putting green of the hole last played.

danthefan

There really are so many people out there who will try to penalise you without knowing the rules themselves.

dnjoyce

Myksyk wrote: »

Licksy has answered it. On the tee box before teeing off the ball is not 'in play'. You must make an actual stroke intending to hit the ball on the tee box for it to be considered to be 'in play'. In fact you can hit the ball a country mile off the tee box by accident during a practice swing and it is not considered a stroke. Obviously, moving the ball with the club in any way once it is in play is considered a stroke.

You sure about this? I would think if your swing was sufficient to hit it "miles" then practice or not, it would consistute an attempt to hit the ball, and therefore the ball would be in play from wherever it finished up. (assuming this practice swing was with the ball teed up and part of a pre-shot build up)

danthefan

dnjoyce wrote: »

You sure about this? I would think if your swing was sufficient to hit it "miles" then practice or not, it would consistute an attempt to hit the ball, and therefore the ball would be in play from wherever it finished up. (assuming this practice swing was with the ball teed up and part of a pre-shot build up)

Exactly what I'm talking about in my previous post.

When your ball is sitting on the tee it is not in play. The ball comes into play when you make a stroke intending to hit the ball. If you do not intend to hit the ball it is not in play, therefore there is no penalty.

If you hit the ball anywhere else with a practice swing it's different. You must replace the ball and take a 1 shot penalty.

Rule 18-2a/19.

bigguy086

my dear god