How can we stop Junkies And Drunks On Our Luas Getting Free Transport ?

ChuckNorrisgod

I get the Luas ever day of the week and ever day and pay on the luas like ever other normal customer.

Now ever day junkies and drunks get on for free from heauton Station too abbey street free transport from there and town all day ever day.

They scream at us push us out of the way.

Some ever beg at the luas machines and have mobile phones new runners and new tracksuits some of them are better dressed them I am.

Some are just out of work and just ask us for money for drink and pretend that they are asking for luas fare.

The inspectors don't hassle them at all.

How can we stop this it is going on too long.....

Your thoughts too stop this

eightyfish

I have to agree. I live on the red line and have a smartcard. The inspectors are on there regularly and catch people often. Most people, including tourists and foreign students, get issued fines if they don't have a fare. However if it's some drunk track-suited scowling skanger who has no ticket, the inspectors ALWAYS let them off. Not once have I seen one of them get a ticket. It's so annoying.

Cuddlesworth

Why complain about them begging. The solution is for people to stop giving them money.

The solution for free rides is making note of the stops where they get on. Then having a Gardai presence at the next stop with a ticket inspector. Leave to Gardai custody anybody who can't provide identification until they do and fine them. Work with Social welfare to dock the Dole of any repeat offenders.

Once you hit their pocket and give them some level of fear the repeat offenders will stop. As it stands at the moment, they don't care and they don't pay because they know they can and will get away with it.

trellheim

threadmerge please with the Luas Junkie and Wino Bus thread ?

Cookie_Monster

Hire inspectors that have spines and back them up with security and/or a proper transport police. Fine these individuals regardless and if it remains unpaid drag them to court and jail. Most can be done for possession or drinking in public charges at the same time aswell...

angel01

I use the green line and I see the same two begging for money at Stephens Green every single day and of course no inspectors anywhere to be seen. I also see people getting away with fines (usually teenagers) and the likes of regular work going folk or tourists issued with a fine.

I just ignore these people begging but it appears that the Luas management are doing nothing to stop them or make life a bit harder for them.

La Haine

In fairness, I travel to town in and out from Tallaght on the LUAS every day - and I haven't noticed much in the way of begging, apart from at the ticket dispensers. But it sickens me from about Inchicore - to Connolloy - the amount of freeloaders that hop on - hop off all the way. Nothing worse than on your way home from work, you're sitting on a packed LUAS - and there's a load of Junkies whacked out of it; either on gear or methodone taking up space. No point in inspectors dishing out fines - or taking them to court for that matter. Most of them have upwards of 20 previous convictions already and couldn't give a phuck. The thing to do is to have them man-handled off the LUAS. And I don't mean Joe Public having to get involved - should be down to those big security blokes. Or failing that - every single stop should be manned by inspectors/security and they should simply be prevented from getting on. Job done.

Iago

I think Chuck Norris should be hired to provide security on the LUAS. He'd sort it all out quick smart.

Gang of Gin

ChuckNorrisgod wrote: »

I get the Luas ever day of the week and ever day and pay on the luas like ever other normal customer.

Now ever day junkies and drunks get on for free from heauton Station too abbey street free transport from there and town all day ever day.

They scream at us push us out of the way.

Some ever beg at the luas machines and have mobile phones new runners and new tracksuits some of them are better dressed them I am.

Some are just out of work and just ask us for money for drink and pretend that they are asking for luas fare.

The inspectors don't hassle them at all.

How can we stop this it is going on too long.....

Your thoughts too stop this

You might need to rethink your dress sense:pac:

tombliboo83

Trick the scumbags into getting them onto a fake tram with the promise of really white runners and drugs etc. Then when they're inside the 'luas' fill the tram with rats and hungry lions..junkie problem sorted

Mr. Presentable

A lot of these "junkies" have free travel passes.

mickydoomsux

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

A lot of these "junkies" have free travel passes.

I'd say all. Drug addiction is considered a disabiltiy by the state as near as i can tell. This just shouldn't be.

We need transport police. Simple as.

Stonewolf

Transport Police, we needs them.

Cookie_Monster

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I'd say all. Drug addiction is considered a disabiltiy by the state as near as i can tell..

I wonder if I can claim disability due to my boards addiction?

eightyfish

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I wonder if I can claim disability due to my boards addiction?

Or the cookie addiction. This has been mentioned to you before buy you are still in denial.

corktina

tombliboo83 wrote: »

Trick the scumbags into getting them onto a fake tram with the promise of really white runners and drugs etc. Then when they're inside the 'luas' fill the tram with rats and hungry lions..junkie problem sorted

I dont think that would work...where would you get an endless supply of hungry lions from and when they all go to sleep on the seats when they eaten enough Junkies, where will we all sit. ALso, if they eat Junkies , isn't there a danger they will get high or addicted to junkies? You haven't thought this through have you!!!

dermo88

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There is a solution to the heroin addicts and the dealers. Its staring Ireland in the face. Its a win-win situation for Ireland, Europe and Asia, with enough commitment.

1. A reality TV show.
2. The worst offenders, the most violent, vicious scum in Irish society get "persuaded" to take 1 Million Euro worth of heroin/cocaine/hard drugs to Asia.

via: Dubai, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok.

3. If they survive, they get to keep the cash, and the drugs.

4. EXCEPT, the contest is 'rigged'. The nicest of them get through every so often with no stash, and the cash only. The rest.....well.....they get a nice "holiday" at the Bangkok Hilton.

Or Dubai, or Singapore, or Malaysia.

As Joe Stalin said, no more person, no more problem.

And........it may help subsidise RTE in the process. Jeremy Kyle and Tricia will be nothing on this.

foggy_lad

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

A lot of these "junkies" have free travel passes.

a lot more ordinary non-junkies have free travel also as well as other benefits

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I'd say all. Drug addiction is considered a disabiltiy by the state as near as i can tell. This just shouldn't be.

We need transport police. Simple as.

no it is not, the mental psychosis created by years of drug addiction is but this is usually caused by an underlying condition, most junkies will have had some degree of mental illness before their addiction which may have went undiagnosed.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I wonder if I can claim disability due to my boards addiction?

not with that post count:D

corktina

A lot of these guys would be causing trouble on the Luas even if they werent junkies. Having said that , there is something to be said for classing junkies as victims.Theres little point in keep fining and jailing them, its the pushers the gards should be concentrating on.

foggy_lad

corktina wrote: »

A lot of these guys would be causing trouble on the Luas even if they werent junkies. Having said that , there is something to be said for classing junkies as victims.Theres little point in keep fining and jailing them, its the pushers the gards should be concentrating on.

i think giving money to beggars should be an offence as it only facilitates them

mickydoomsux

foggy_lad wrote: »

no it is not, the mental psychosis created by years of drug addiction is but this is usually caused by an underlying condition, most junkies will have had some degree of mental illness before their addiction which may have went undiagnosed.

I'll remember to say that to the next paying customer i have to help out because some junkie scumbag who was travelling on his freebie ticket has lifted their case off the train because the poor flower needed his fix.

I'm sick and tired of everyone supposedly having something 'wrong' with them that causes them to be a scumbag. Sometimes a scumbag is just a scumbag.

foggy_lad

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I'll remember to say that to the next paying customer i have to help out because some junkie scumbag who was travelling on his freebie ticket has lifted their case off the train because the poor flower needed his fix.

I'm sick and tired of everyone supposedly having something 'wrong' with them that causes them to be a scumbag. Sometimes a scumbag is just a scumbag.

cant you as a representative of a transport company request the offending junkies leave the train or bus you are working on if you feel they are a threat to other passengers safety or comfort?

mickydoomsux

foggy_lad wrote: »

cant you as a representative of a transport company request the offending junkies leave the train or bus you are working on if you feel they are a threat to other passengers safety or comfort?

I work in a station so unfortunatlely, no.

Also the all too often times i've have had to ask people to leave trains i've been told to **** off and threatened with physical violence and once i was even threatened with a screwdriver.

So then the Gardai have to be called and paying customers are held up and have their safety threatened because some savage, who's travelling for free mind, can't control himself like a normal human being.

As i've said before, the only people we have this kind of trouble with are free travel pass holders. The abuse of the system is rampant and the Dept of Social and Family Affairs or whatever it's called this week don't care because i've personally dealt with people who've gotten new passes issued to them after i've confiscated them and rang the DSFA about abuse of the system. Their stock answer is that the offending person 'is entitled to free travel'.

These things are handed like flyers for a car-boot sale.

foggy_lad

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I work in a station so unfortunatlely, no.

Also the all too often times i've have had to ask people to leave trains i've been told to **** off and threatened with physical violence and once i was even threatened with a screwdriver.

So then the Gardai have to be called and paying customers are held up and have their safety threatened because some savage, who's travelling for free mind, can't control himself like a normal human being.

As i've said before, the only people we have this kind of trouble with are free travel pass holders. The abuse of the system is rampant and the Dept of Social and Family Affairs or whatever it's called this week don't care because i've personally dealt with people who've gotten new passes issued to them after i've confiscated them and rang the DSFA about abuse of the system. Their stock answer is that the offending person 'is entitled to free travel'.

These things are handed like flyers for a car-boot sale.

i am sorry you feel this way about all free travel pass holders because of a few that you were unable to control and who were going to cause you grief regardless of their free travel status

but it is also more likely that people causing this kind of trouble will not have a travel pass or will not have paid any fare as they do not feel obligated like the rest of society to pay their way or respect anything with any kind of authority.

also with your general attitude towards free travel pass holders in general i do hope you are not in a customer facing role as your apprarent hatred of anyone with a travel pass will be noticed by passengers

corktina

those of us entitled to these (although I havent got one) are more often than not the unlucky ones with no job through no fault of their own. Anyone with a nice safe hereditary job like a CIE one would do well to thank their lucky stars rather than look down on Social Welfare recipients. These things are handed round like flyers because , in case you didn't realise, theres one hell of a lot of us on the scrapheap just now.

mickydoomsux

foggy_lad wrote: »

but it is also more likely that people causing this kind of trouble will not have a travel pass or will not have paid any fare as they do not feel obligated like the rest of society to pay their way or respect anything with any kind of authority.

also with your general attitude towards free travel pass holders in general i do hope you are not in a customer facing role as your apprarent hatred of anyone with a travel pass will be noticed by passengers

Oh they have travel passes alright because the cops usually use those to get their name and address because most of them won't co-operate.

Also, i have no problem with free travel pass holders who deserve their passes and can act like actual normal human beings. Some of the nicest people i encounter daily are free travel pass holders. It's just an unfortunate situation that they are so heavily abused and loosely controlled that they are in the hands of all the wrong people and we're powerless to do anything about it.

mickydoomsux

corktina wrote: »

those of us entitled to these (although I havent got one) are more often than not the unlucky ones with no job through no fault of their own. Anyone with a nice safe hereditary job like a CIE one would do well to thank their lucky stars rather than look down on Social Welfare recipients. These things are handed round like flyers because , in case you didn't realise, theres one hell of a lot of us on the scrapheap just now.

You do realise that you don't get one just for being umemployed, right?

R1221

Just have the Gardai and the Inspector waiting at various stops around the city. Arrest anyone without a ticket and make an example of them to warn others that this type of behaviour will not be tolerated.

corktina

mickydoomsux wrote: »

You do realise that you don't get one just for being umemployed, right?

Dunno Ive never asked for one, but Im gonna now... I imagine anyone who is a social welfare recipient can apply for free travel if they have a need to travel, to a job interview or hospital appointment perhaps. I don't think it's your job to be deciding who is entitled to them and who isn't. If they have one, then they get to travel.

mickydoomsux

corktina wrote: »

Dunno Ive never asked for one, but Im gonna now... I imagine anyone who is a social welfare recipient can apply for free travel if they have a need to travel, to a job interview or hospital appointment perhaps. I don't think it's your job to be deciding who is entitled to them and who isn't. If they have one, then they get to travel.

Prepare to be disappointed......

westtip

OP Zero tolerance, Singapore style policing, get rid of nandy pandering lawyers who defend these scumbags, bring back the stocks, put them in a cell for three nights with a concrete shelf for a bed hosed out once a day - a slice of bread and cup of water to keep them alive then kick them out on streets stop their benefits, and if they re-offend double the time in tough routine.

Many of us would agree unfortunately it won't happen.

foggy_lad

You have to be getting a social welfare pension like disability or blind pension or if you suffer from certain proscribed illnesses you will also qualify. Unemployment is not a qualifying condition.

corktina wrote: »

Dunno Ive never asked for one, but Im gonna now... I imagine anyone who is a social welfare recipient can apply for free travel if they have a need to travel, to a job interview or hospital appointment perhaps. I don't think it's your job to be deciding who is entitled to them and who isn't. If they have one, then they get to travel.

corktina

Maybe I am one of those things...its not up to you guys to decide. If they have a free pass then they have it.End of.

foggy_lad

corktina wrote: »

Maybe I am one of those things...its not up to you guys to decide. If they have a free pass then they have it.End of.

completely agree with you here! It is not the job of any transport employee to decide who is or is not entitled to a travel pass but it is their job to make sure people travelling have the correct tickets or have a valid pass which is legible and they can ask for the holders signature to check their identity as the pass is supposed to be signed by the user.

Oliver1985

Just get rid of the free travel scheme its has to be the biggest scam going!!! And ban junkies from public transport or anyone whos voice sounds like a hair dryer you know the type "Ehhhhhhh yeeee going down the barcode saturday night , savage buzz ehhhh wahhhhh wahhh"

trellheim

Correct. But as we said in the other thread on this topic if they could not produce a smartcard pass with their photo on then they should be thrown off ( assumes DSFA have rolled out smartcards, which they haven't)

AlekSmart

Trellheim posted:-

But as we said in the other thread on this topic if they could not produce a smartcard pass with their photo on then they should be thrown off ( assumes DSFA have rolled out smartcards, which they haven't)

Sadly Trelheim,I would not hold out much hope of Smart anything from this particular set of administrators...except perhaps a smartass comment or two......

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/notsosmart-bus-and-rail-cards-2301148.html

Its mindnumbing stuff.....how to market a new Ticketing Initiative in one easy step....

This is because a €55m project to develop a one-size-fits-all Smartcard for bus, train and Luas in the capital is still not ready, despite being first promised in 2002.

In a letter to customers, the company said that annual bus and rail passes would no longer be on one ticket. Instead, there will be two.

The company warned commuters to carry both cards at all times, or run the risk of having the pass taken by inspectors.

I can`t see many Car Driving ordinary folks being encouraged to make the modal switch by this gentle entreaty.....which oddly enough is something which does not bother those mentioned in the Heading of this thread