Results 2010 - First look at stats in The Irish Times

dambarude

Switch it on now if you want to hear it!

Diabhal Beag

Did it start yet?

unknown13

I will watch it on the TV3 player later

dambarude

Yep.

All they've said of note so far is that Science and Maths failure rates are still high.

dambarude

Eh, it's over now, they hardly spoke about it at all even though LC was on the front page of the Times and the Independent. I think he said the Indo had something on grade inflation not increasing, but I'm not sure.

frser32

yah i think the headline of the indo is that the points race is off, science and maths failure rate up i think

Cian92

frser32 wrote: »

yah i think the headline of the indo is that the points race is off, science and maths failure rates up i think:mad:

Failure rates up? God I must go to bed, before I worry myself further

Seloth

The bloody failure rates are up high as Oridnary level is too divided while higher lever is made too difficult!

Infact they wished to challenge many of those that dropped from higher level who simply wished for an easy A by making ordinary level quite difficult this year,meanwhile those of us who are atrociouse at maths where in all words "****ed!" for this exam :mad:.

Maths being mandatory for most university subjects is idiotic!I wish to study political science and I see not very much use for algebra in it!

I will more than likely fail this exam,I did work but my mind is simply not mathmatic...I do excellent in my other subjects((but obviously my spelling can be poor ) yet this requirment has dragged me down :mad:

dambarude

I don't think they said that failure rates are up, rather that they are still high. Probably much the same as last year.

frser32

dambarude wrote: »

I don't think they said that failure rates are up, rather that they are still high. Probably much the same as last year.

ah ok i stand corrected. let's pray they aren't anyway

johnmcdnl

failure rates are controlled by the SEC and there marking schemes - they will make a marking scheme to get the bell curve graph they want - it's all a load of ****e basically...

frser32

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0818/1224277072626.html
:mad:

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Any one have a link for that show(on TV3)? Just found this thread now...!

unknown13

I would like Foundation Maths from saving me from the worry of possibly failing Maths.

wonderfulname

frser32 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0818/1224277072626.html
:mad:

wow its a whole article with nothing in it :P chill guys they're scare mongering 4300 people failing math is less than 9% across all levels and says nothing real about the results in general.

Liveit

Anothe pointless page filling article about the leaving cert

BeeJazizWafuls

that made me more nervous

ED E

Article:http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0818/1224277072626.html

SEÁN FLYNN, Education Editor

HIGH FAILURE rates in maths, science and business subjects are the most striking feature of the Leaving Cert results published this morning.

More than 4,300 students failed maths in the exam, while failure rates in science subjects at both higher and ordinary level were far higher than in other subjects.

Failure rates were also relatively high across the main business subjects.

The “honours” or ABC rate for higher-level Irish and maths is down this year by 5.5 per cent and 3 per cent respectively – the first decline since 2005. The drop in grades comes after concerns were raised about grade inflation and a “dumbing down” of the Leaving Cert.

With record numbers seeking college places this year, CAO points for most major courses are expected to increase when the first round of offers is published next Monday.

Minister for Education, Mary Coughlan yesterday ruled out the return of college fees during the lifetime of the Government.

Among the most popular subjects, biology had the highest failure rate (9 per cent) at higher level. Failure rates were also relatively high in chemistry (8 per cent); physics (7 per cent); business (6.5 per cent ); and economics (5 per cent). This compares to failure rates of less than 2 per cent for Irish and English.

The failure rate for chemistry at ordinary level was 18.5 per cent.

In maths, the failure rate at ordinary level declined marginally from 10.4 to 9.8 per cent. But only 16 per cent of students – or fewer than 8,500 – took the higher-level paper. This is about a quarter of the figure taking higher-level English.

On a more positive note, the new more “user-friendly” Project Maths course – examined for the first time this year – attracted a higher percentage of higher-level students (18.7 per cent) from the 24 schools in the pilot programme.

Ms Coughlan promised yesterday to press ahead with her plan to award bonus CAO points for maths, despite concerns raised by UCD and other colleges.

Overall, the Leaving Cert results tend to reflect Ireland’s standing in international league tables.

While Ireland is among the top-ranked Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) nations in reading and literacy, it is ranked only in mid-table in both science and maths.

Last night, the group representing 600 US companies in Ireland called for dramatic reform of the education system.

Joanne Richardson, chief executive of the American Chamber of Commerce in Ireland, said the continuing failure rates in subjects such as maths, chemistry and physics was disappointing “considering the focus on developing a smart economy”.

The employers’ group Ibec said fewer than 50 per cent of maths teachers at second level have their main qualification in the subject.

Fine Gael education spokesman Fergus O’Dowd said Ireland needed high levels of achievement in science and technology, but instead of seeing positive moves in this area, the Leaving Cert results had confirmed disappointing trends. Ms Coughlan also promised yesterday that a report on a series of blunders in this year’s exams would be published shortly.

Results are available from early this morning in schools. Students can also access their examination results from midday today by quoting their Personal Identification Number (Pin) and examination number online at examinations.ie, or by phoning 1530 719 290 for callers in the Republic or 00353 1 6885312 for callers from outside the Republic.

Results: main points

Only 16 per cent of students sat the higher-level maths paper while 4,300 failed the subject across all levels.
The honours rate declined by over 2 per cent in higher-level accounting. Key sections of this paper were omitted when the paper was first distributed in 16 south Dublin schools.
The number of A, B or C grades in higher-level English grades rose by 0.6 per cent – despite the surprise omission of poet Eavan Boland in the June exam.
Concerns over grade inflation may be having an impact – the honours rates dipped this year in Irish and maths.
Among the most popular subjects, music and Irish have the highest honours or ABC rate at higher level. Biology and business have the lowest.

Compton

Thanks.

corkman123

doesthis mean the points wont shoot up as first thought?

GVNDNN

Woah thats alot of maths failures...thank god i passed it last year...

And surprised with Biology to be honest

ED E

Well, courses like mine(Computer Science) might get away easier, but overall they will still jump I'd wager.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Second thread with the exact same story...

corkman123

ne1 applied 4 arts in ucd?

Vurnon San Benito

Ah well.
We can only wait and see.
Thank God I don't do Biology, Business or and Sciences.
A failure more than likely still in store for me with Accounting though

sjacob

This is bad man... so bad. :eek:

Professional Griefer

THFC wrote: »

Second thread with the exact same story...

in fairness to the OP, the other threads original topic was about TV3 talking about it, and the link was put up later.

MyHair

Hoping to christ I'm not one of those maths failures:pac:

Seloth

Biology had stuff hasnt come upsince before they revised the course!

The amoba ffs :eek:

Professional Griefer

I think its interesting that more people got a A1 in HL maths than people who failed the higher paper.

But the 1 in 10 for OL, ouch.

ED E

MyHair wrote: »

Hoping to christ I'm not one of those maths failures:pac:

I'm on that boat for English(H) and Irish(O)....if I pass them I should get the points for at least my third though. So its either crash and burn or home in one.

Kersmash

Well that has me ****ing bricking it now.

spurious

Threads merged.

ayumi

failer rates are high this yr bec probably the way they structured the papers and the unusual qs asked

Ruski

ayumi wrote: »

failer rates are high this yr bec probably the way they structured the papers and the unusual qs asked

What do you mean? The papers were structured the same way as any other year!

ayumi

Ruski wrote: »

What do you mean? The papers were structured the same way as any other year!

th ord maths paper was not structured like any other yr and some qs were diffcult and biology had qs where u had to apply ur knowlege of biology to the question

monaghanman10

just got my results there.english a2 maths b2 irish a1 accounting a1 business a1 economics b2 chemistry b3 and french b1

eoin_mulhern

monaghanman10 wrote: »

just got my results there.english a2 maths b2 irish a1 accounting a1 business a1 economics b2 chemistry b3 and french b1

fair play

can't get mine till mid day and am in bloody work

ayumi

eoin_mulhern wrote: »

fair play

can't get mine till mid day and am in bloody work

why cant u go to ur school

eoin_mulhern

ayumi wrote: »

why cant u go to ur school

I repeated this year after four years,
The results get sent to my house but they are available online at 12.

i didnt do it in my old school either

Ian Beale

I'll take a wild guess he's in work :pac: good luck to you all, more luck to you on Monday though. That's when the nerves really kick in

lemansky

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

I think its interesting that more people got a A1 in HL maths than people who failed the higher paper.

Lots of people drop HL maths when they realise maths isn't their strongest point, even when they could easily pass it, probably due to the reputation it has. In many other subjects once you're passing you don't feel so inclined to drop down from HL. What this means is that within the group that ultimately sits HL maths, you have a much higher concentration of high achievers than in other subjects so the A1 rate is skewed in the unusual way that you pointed out.

RoRoCullen

Ruski wrote: »

What do you mean? The papers were structured the same way as any other year!

Higher Level Business and Geography had new layouts. Ordinary Irish and French had new layouts also. That threw me off completly!

Brendog

frser32 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0818/1224277072626.html
:mad:

We can take from this that the Irish population isn't the best with theory. Something needs to be implemented because if the Leaving cert is dumbed down anymore we will lose our credability as one of the most well educated work forces in the world.

During the boom time if you applied for a job anywhere in the world and had, "Nationality: Irish", on your CV you had the job. Ireland has a reputation for its dedicated, hard workers. Our image of a drunken pig farmer is finally slipping away as we have made huge advances in the fields of Computer technologies and medical research.

The Leaving Cert needs to be brought back up to the standard it was at 40 years ago. All students are simply too lazy too work and the teachers are too lazy to teach. I know, because in my school if the majority of the class was talking the teachers didn't try. They never did one on ones with students who actually wanted to learn, but instead ****ed a ton of notes at us 2 weeks before exam time....

Today, parents have to pay the equivelent of college fees to ensure their child is actually taught something in school. Not that they get a good education...Just to make sure they are taught!

If we make big changes to our education system now, we will definitly see the benefits within the next 6 years.
I know it sounds corny, but children are the future, and if they aren't motivated now.....


When are they going to be?