Roundup Question!!

pajero12

Does anyone know the difference between normal roundup and roundup bi-active?? is it worth the extra €20??

bbam

I bought the origonal last week, fella in the store said the only difference is a sticking agent in the bi-active.. He said if it rains after application the ordinary one would be affected more, took it anyway..

If there was ANY chance of rain I wouldn't apply any of these products as they're too expensive to take risks with..

Was €28 cheaper here..:o

nilhg

If the target species are difficult to kill with Roundup then it might be worth going for the biactive, other than that I'd say cheap and cheerful is the way to go.

IIRC, at our groups price, biactive is almost twice the price.

padunne

Hi
I put out roundup with a napsack two years ago and followed the instructions as best i could. Just wondering is it better to treat the leaves or roots and would it be better off doubling the quantity or something.
Basically whats the most effective way to put it out and when.

Thanks

Actually i think it was brushwood. Is roundup better or are they the same

sea12

Make sure the grass is growing when you put out the spray. The spray is taken in by the leaves down to the roots but if the leaves are not growing it wont take in the spray.

As for which is worse I dont know. Personally I use roundup. seems to work fine for me.

reilig

For me, the biactive was worth the extra €15 that I paid. i sprayed a meadow for reseeding last friday. All the grass is dead on it today and its ready for tilling. Hopefully tomorrow will be dry and I'll get it in.

Ordinary Roundup takes longer to achieve a kill.

pajero12

reilig wrote: »

For me, the biactive was worth the extra €15 that I paid. i sprayed a meadow for reseeding last friday. All the grass is dead on it today and its ready for tilling. Hopefully tomorrow will be dry and I'll get it in.

Ordinary Roundup takes longer to achieve a kill.

Thanks...What method are you using to till??

reilig

pajero12 wrote: »

Thanks...What method are you using to till??

Its poor land, so as i described on a thread here before, I will go over it 2 or 3 times with a chain harrow to just blacken the top. Plan to spread 2 bags of 10-10-20 and 2 bags of granular lime per acre along with an acre pack of seed, roll it and then cover it with a very thin coat of pig slurry.

It has worked perfectly in the past so there's no reason why it shouldn't work this year

mf690

Round up Bi active gives a better kill I find I use less and now only need to spray twice a year for weeds around the yard etc. So it's cheaper in the long run. Always makesure of some growth and spray in the evening rather than when the sun is beaming down. A shower of rain or evening dew will only help get spray absorbed faster.

pakalasa

Glyphosphate is the active ingredient in Round-Up. Why pay for the Label? These are other products which are Glyphosphate based and a lot cheaper.

These prices from farmers Journal, pg 51, 14 August 2010
All are 20Litres and concentration of 360g/Lt of Glyphosphate.

Prices do not include VAT
Roundup Bioactive €120
Gallup €60
Clinic Ace €54
statis €45
Touchdown made by Syngenta is another one, dont know price

Bit of an eye-opener eh!

dar31

pakalasa wrote: »

Glyphosphate is the active ingredient in Round-Up. Why pay for the Label? These are other products which are Glyphosphate based and a lot cheaper.

These prices from farmers Journal, pg 51, 14 August 2010
All are 20Litres and concentration of 360g/Lt of Glyphosphate.

Prices do not include VAT
Roundup Bioactive €120
Gallup €60
Clinic Ace €54
statis €45
Touchdown made by Syngenta is another one, don't know price

Bit of an eye-opener eh!

mizr .... made by monsanto 360g/Lt of Glyphosphate.
sprayed with mizr, left 8-10 days, tilled, sowed kale, with in 3 weeks had a field of rye grass back, competing with kale
mizr cost e60
saved e60 against round up.....
cost of partial loss of crop in the thousands

just because it is cheaper, dose not mean it is cheap.
(or as i tell Mrs dar31, just because it is on sale dose nt mean it is cheap)

round up bi-active has a sticker agent which makes it rain fast with in 3 hrs, against a min of 6 hrs, recommend 24hrs, with ordinary round up

round up gold is the same as bi active but can be grazed/tilled within 5 days against 7 for bi active
that's my understanding of them, could be wrong though

pajero12

dar31 wrote: »

mizr .... made by monsanto 360g/Lt of Glyphosphate.
sprayed with mizr, left 8-10 days, tilled, sowed kale, with in 3 weeks had a field of rye grass back, competing with kale
mizr cost e60
saved e60 against round up.....
cost of partial loss of crop in the thousands

just because it is cheaper, dose not mean it is cheap.
(or as i tell Mrs dar31, just because it is on sale dose nt mean it is cheap)

round up bi-active has a sticker agent which makes it rain fast with in 3 hrs, against a min of 6 hrs, recommend 24hrs, with ordinary round up

round up gold is the same as bi active but can be grazed/tilled within 5 days against 7 for bi active
that's my understanding of them, could be wrong though

Jesus..beter stay away from that so :P
Thanks for your help everyone!!

just do it

Have you'd ordinary Roundup around the place and I've been disappointed with it. Going to get Roundup Bioactive. If it works better it's cheaper.

Brillig

I am interested in Weed Control for domestic garden. Weedol Roundup & Go has 7.2g/l of Glyphosphate. 5 litre best price Homebase sale is 27€. Typical cost 50€. This works out at 0.75€/g (glyphosphate)

Agricultural supplies appear to have 360g/l. This is 50 times as much active agent.
I saw Homeland (former Connaght Gold) Quays Sligo had 1litre of Biactive Roundup Pro for 20€. That has 360g/l concentration so the cost is 0.06€/g

There seems to be massive difference between Agri and DIY formulations. 0.75 vs 0.06 for 1gram glyphosphate. Am I correct in my calculations.

Where can one buy agri supplies in Dublin or Sligo City.

Muckit

Under SUD (sustainable use directive) you need to be a professional user to apply the concentrated agricultural versions you are talking about. This requires a farmer to have carried out an approved Fetac certified 2 day course.

It is with good reason that an individual cannot purchase strong weedkiller formulations for domestic use. There are many potential health and safety hazards.

Nekarsulm

In local builders store today, I see Roundup Biactive xla is €24 per litre. It has the 360g/litre formulation.
Interestingly, I see that the cap of the bottle is marked as a 15ml measure, so they obviously expect people to be using it in 10 litre sprayers, or even hand held squirters.

have2flushtwice

Muckit wrote: »

Under SUD (sustainable use directive) you need to be a professional user to apply the concentrated agricultural versions you are talking about. This requires a farmer to have carried out an approved Fetac certified 2 day course.

It is with good reason that an individual cannot purchase strong weedkiller formulations for domestic use. There are many potential health and safety hazards.

I spoke to a guy who gives the course for spraying. I complained that I can't buy it. He corrected me and told me I can indeed purchase the product but cannot apply it without the course.
I replied shur ya know what's going to happen there, he agreed and said the lads who make the rule wouldn't know the difference between a thistle and a tractor.