SRS Bruno .22 Mag

hurley267

Im thinking of buying this gun and before i do i was just looking for someone who has used or has one etc to let me know how they find it?
As regards to accuracy, power, and range. Cheers:D

johngalway

First question you'll be asked, what do you intend to use the rifle for?

Tackleberrywho

johngalway wrote: »

First question you'll be asked, what do you intend to use the rifle for?

Second question, how much money have you to spend!

4gun

I have a Brno 611 .22wmr its simi auto Brno in general make excellent guns the one our looking at is bolt action? not entirly familiar with it
For most the Brno CZ range of rimfire rifles is the first gun that many purchase as their first gun..they're relatively cheap and fairly accuratethey give new shooters a lot of confidence in their own shooting abilities.....
that is unless the gun has been totally abused somake sure its in good condition, observe how polished the bolt and trigger are to get an indication as to how much it has been fired...dont be too worried about marks and nicks to wood work ...these can happen to the most carefully minded guns and finally the gun has to feel comfortable in your hands...hold it for as long as you can before consenting to buy..
Also do an extensive search of te internet to find out what you can about the gun and so on..
best of luck

hurley267

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Second question, how much money have you to spend!

looking to use it for lamping foxes and general vermin really. 400e would be my budget but if i had to go over that for a quailty buy i would go to 500.

Tackleberrywho

hurley267 wrote: »

looking to use it for lamping foxes and general vermin really. 400e would be my budget but if i had to go over that for a quailty buy i would go to 500.

http://www.shoot.ie/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=103

This a little over budget, brand new.

Second hand its a handier rife for a beginner than a .22 mag as it's flatter shooting and will take a fox 80 yards or rabbits at double that

hurley267

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

http://www.shoot.ie/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=103

This a little over budget, brand new.

Second hand its a handier rife for a beginner than a .22 mag as it's flatter shooting and will take a fox 80 yards or rabbits at double that

i was thinking of a 17 already but there seems to be a good drop in the bullet after 100 yards! in college myself so rounds are cheaper for the magnum which i need! beautiful gun in that link!

virminhunter

a .22mag will drop a fair bit after 1ooyards also not sure but if i had to guess i'd say .22mag will drop more than a .17

Tackleberrywho

hurley267 wrote: »

i was thinking of a 17 already but there seems to be a good drop in the bullet after 100 yards! in college myself so rounds are cheaper for the magnum which i need! beautiful gun in that link!

The .22 mag Will drop too my boy!
They all drop.

The .17HMR is relatively cheap.

if you want CHEAP Student prices go .22lr.
The cheapest rifle ammo available.
€20 would get you a good amount off ammo
http://www.shoot.ie/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=56

€5.50 for a box of 50

jap gt

as tac said they all drop, you wont be shooting many foxes past 100 anyway 140max so i wouldn't worry too much about drop, if buying new dont forget to factor in a scope and mounts etc, if you want very cheap shooting go with a 22lr although its not great for foxes. 22mag is around €12 for 50, not sure on the 17

Tackleberrywho

jap gt wrote: »

as tac said they all drop, you wont be shooting many foxes past 100 anyway 140max so i wouldn't worry too much about drop, if buying new dont forget to factor in a scope and mounts etc, if you want very cheap shooting go with a 22lr although its not great for foxes. 22mag is around €12 for 50, not sure on the 17

Hornady .17HMR 20gr XTP
€16.95


The 17HMR XTP™ delivers deeper penetration, less pelt damage and a quick kill. 2375 FPS Muzzle Velocity. Extreme Terminal Performace (XTP)


Trajectory (inches)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd
-1.5 "0.0" -9.9"

With 100 yard zero it's down 9~10" @ 200

Unless you have an expensive scope chances are you will be a 100 yard~ shooter with said rifle

virminhunter

here's a ballistics chart for a .17hmr its 2 1/2 inches low at 150yards from a hundred yard zero, I think a .22mag will drop 5 inches from a 1ooyards to 150 yards

virminhunter

here's one for a .22mag zero'd at 125yards

Tackleberrywho

virminhunter wrote: »

here's one for a .22mag zero'd at 125yards

The .17 would deffo be a better choice for a beginner than the .22mag.

The .22mag drop past 100 is much more pronounced bullet drop.

if you want to hit more than you miss use the .17hmr until you can progress into centrefire.

If in time you like it and can afford it.

If MONEY is a real concern .22lr is the cheapest bang for your buck!
But smallest effective hunting range and a pronounced curve even out to 100 yards

jap gt

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

The .17 would deffo be a better choice for a beginner than the .22mag.

The .22mag drop past 100 is much more pronounced bullet drop.

if you want to hit more than you miss use the .17hmr until you can progress into centrefire.

If in time you like it and can afford it.

If MONEY is a real concern .22lr is the cheapest bang for your buck!
But smallest effective hunting range and a pronounced curve even out to 100 yards

thats true, but i started with a 22mag and i think it will make you a better shot, judging how a bullet will drop, sure if it was easy hit everything you would learn nothing

Tackleberrywho

jap gt wrote: »

thats true, but i started with a 22mag and i think it will make you a better shot, judging how a bullet will drop, sure if it was easy hit everything you would learn nothing

You still have Wind and shot placement.

I learned with a .22lr

I was using hyper velocity which were very inaccurate and you would never improve, just get frustrated.
Since i got my first centrefire my shooting has improved dramatically my grouping and my success rate.
It's always nice to go shooting with a mate and be able to hit what they miss 1/2 a second later;)

My mate bought a .22lr semi auto lately and the groups are dreadful 1 & 1/2" @ 100

I'd get Roger Federar with a tennis ball

I do think, Given the choice (I remember the first .17HMR in the country) the OP would be best off with the .17HMR over a .22Mag

Or best off with a .22lr to hone a craft

elius

range 00 speed Energy(ft/lbs)
Type 22wmr
33 Remy acc v 00 2014 297.2
40 Remy hp 00 1879 313.5
30 Hornady v-max 00 2142 305.6


Type 17hmr
Hornady 17 v-max 00 2519 239.5
Hornady 20 hp 00 2352 245.8

If you ask me the higher energy on the 22 wmr make it a far better on the spot fox buster.

I also read somewhere that the 22wmr had enough energy behind it at 150yrds to easily drop a fox. They did some calculation between a 22a air rifle used to dispatch fox's caught in urban area's of the uk and the energy need to kill it at point blank.. the 22 wmr still had the same energy at 150 yards.

Tackleberrywho

elius wrote: »

range 00 speed Energy(ft/lbs)
Type 22wmr
33 Remy acc v 00 2014 297.2
40 Remy hp 00 1879 313.5
30 Hornady v-max 00 2142 305.6


Type 17hmr
Hornady 17 v-max 00 2519 239.5
Hornady 20 hp 00 2352 245.8

If you ask me the higher energy on the 22 wmr make it a far better on the spot fox buster.

I also read somewhere that the 22wmr had enough energy behind it at 150yrds to easily drop a fox. They did some calculation between a 22a air rifle used to dispatch fox's caught in urban area's of the uk and the energy need to kill it at point blank.. the 22 wmr still had the same energy at 150 yards.

.17HMR is more accurate than a .22mag AFAIK

If I wanted a 150 yard foxer a mag would not be what i was going for.
Hornet or .223 .17Rem or .204 .220 swift

OP you will have to make a choice on what best suits YOU.

As i remember back in my college days I could barely afford ammo by times!

virminhunter

I found this very interesting the .22 mag has an advantage in ft. pounds up until around 150yrds where the .17 then overtakes it!!!

"Here is the energy of our comparison loads, in foot-pounds at the muzzle, 50 yards, 100 yards, 150 yards (when available), and 200 yards (when available):

.17 HMR, 17 grain V-Max = ME 245 ft. lbs., 185 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 136 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 99 ft. lbs. at 150 yards, 72 ft. lbs. at 200 yards.
.17 HMR, 20 grain XTP = ME 250 ft. lbs., 187 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 137 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 99 ft. lbs. at 150 yards, 72 ft. lbs. at 200 yards.
.22 WMR, 30 grain TNT = ME 325 ft. lbs., 200 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 120 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 80 ft. lbs. at 150 yards.
.22 WMR, 40 grain JHP = ME 324 ft. lbs., 230 ft. lbs. at 50 yards, 162 ft. lbs. at 100 yards.
Here we see a different story. The .22 WMR starts with about a 75 ft. lb. advantage in kinetic energy at the muzzle. At 50 yards the 40 grain .22 bullet is carrying about 45 more ft. lbs., and at 100 yards the 40 grain .22 bullet still has a 25 ft. lb. advantage over the .17 bullets. At 150 yards the .17 HMR has an energy advantage of about 20 ft. lbs. over the 30 grain .22 bullet, and we have no figures for the 40 grain bullet beyond 100 yards."
By Chuck Hawkes

link to where i got info
http://texaspredatorposse.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13537

not really relavent i suppose its just at the limit of both calibers if not above

elius

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

.17HMR is more accurate than a .22mag AFAIK

If I wanted a 150 yard foxer a mag would not be what i was going for.
Hornet or .223 .17Rem or .204 .220 swift

OP you will have to make a choice on what best suits YOU.

As i remember back in my college days I could barely afford ammo by times!

Well my mag is perfectly accurate thanks very much. Note picture of rabbit shot in the eye at 100yrds. The 22 wmr has been around for years and the brand has shot many a vermin in its day. Ill continue to use it till the day i feel the need to change to a cf. In the mean time im more than happy with it.

op
If you want to buy a flat shooting rifle straight out of the box buy the 17 hmr

If you want to learn about shooting the way i have and countless other boards members have buy gauging drops windage and alike buy the 22 mwr.

:cool:

virminhunter

elius wrote: »

Well my mag is perfectly accurate thanks very much. Note picture of rabbit shot in the eye at 100yrds. The 22 wmr has been around for years and the brand has shot many a vermin in its day. Ill continue to use it till the day i feel the need to change to a cf. In the mean time im more than happy with it.

op
If you want to buy a flat shooting rifle straight out of the box buy the 17 hmr

If you want to learn about shooting the way i have and countless other boards members have buy gauging drops windage and alike buy the 22 mwr.

:cool:

yeah, I started with an air rifle I traded that for a .22hornet and then traded the hornet for a .223, if I had of started with a .22lr or .22wmr I know wholeheartedly that it would still be in my gunsafe, a friend of mine got a .22lr about a month ago and I have to say their the funnest caliber on the go he's shot four foxes with it so far all under 50yrds, 9 out of 10 of any fox I've ever shot with a .223 has been under 100yrds, overkill, plus you can shoot all day and not worry about what the ammo's costing ya, 10 out of 10 for .22 rimfires...:)

hurley267

thanks for the info on the bullet drop!i wasnt sure really which gun would be more severe!
i have been shooting rifles for a few years tho we have a bruno 243 and a rem 270 in d house(for deer) under my old mans name and ive done a nice bit with a 22 swift aswel i just wanted to get something alot lighter for the lamping and things because from a safety point of view a 270 or 243 arnt really good around a countyside! a mountain is ok because you have a good background but like i said around d cbackroads and things the high power gun just isnt safe.

Tackleberrywho

hurley267 wrote: »

thanks for the info on the bullet drop!i wasnt sure really which gun would be more severe!
i have been shooting rifles for a few years tho we have a bruno 243 and a rem 270 in d house(for deer) under my old mans name and ive done a nice bit with a 22 swift aswel i just wanted to get something alot lighter for the lamping and things because from a safety point of view a 270 or 243 arnt really good around a countyside! a mountain is ok because you have a good background but like i said around d cbackroads and things the high power gun just isnt safe.[/QUOTE]

You do KNOW that you are not allowed to shoot from the road or a vehicle?

And a backstop for a .270 is the same as for a .17!
All firearms require a safe Backstop;)

noodle650

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

http://www.shoot.ie/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=103

This a little over budget, brand new.

Second hand its a handier rife for a beginner than a .22 mag as it's flatter shooting and will take a fox 80 yards or rabbits at double that

so will my .22! best bet is to get a hornet if you can afford the ammo

The Big Fella

A hornet costs €50 for a box of 50 while a .223 costs €12 for a box of 20. Could someone please explain the high price of reloading a hornet.

Tackleberrywho

The Big Fella wrote: »

A hornet costs €50 for a box of 50 while a .223 costs €12 for a box of 20. Could someone please explain the high price of reloading a hornet.

The .223 is one of the most common rounds in the world. Brass chambered in Millions, The brass is the dearest part of the round.

The cheapest way to make something is on mass. Hornet is an old and relatively inaccurate calibre in comparison to .223 .204 .220swift

If you want a foxer/headshot bunny rifle .223 all the way I say

The Big Fella

I was looking at a 2 year old cz527 chambered in hornet with a price tag of €750. I'd get a new remington 700 sps for that price I thought and the ammo price difference.:rolleyes:

hurley267

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

hurley267 wrote: »

thanks for the info on the bullet drop!i wasnt sure really which gun would be more severe!
i have been shooting rifles for a few years tho we have a bruno 243 and a rem 270 in d house(for deer) under my old mans name and ive done a nice bit with a 22 swift aswel i just wanted to get something alot lighter for the lamping and things because from a safety point of view a 270 or 243 arnt really good around a countyside! a mountain is ok because you have a good background but like i said around d cbackroads and things the high power gun just isnt safe.[/QUOTE]

You do KNOW that you are not allowed to shoot from the road or a vehicle?

And a backstop for a .270 is the same as for a .17!
All firearms require a safe Backstop;)

Sure step inside the ditch and its all good!

Tackleberrywho

hurley267 wrote: »

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Sure step inside the ditch and its all good!

Once you understand that

locum-motion

hurley267 wrote: »

Sure step inside the ditch and its all good!

Actually, about 20 steps (60 feet) inside the ditch is what you need for it to be all good!