PGCE - Teaching council only recognise 11-18?

cloneslad

I think I'm pretty much going to do the PGCE next year. Based on the points system (1:1 honours degree and a masters) I would easily get into the courses here in Ireland but I just don't think I can afford to do it in Ireland as I don't fancy getting into much or any debt.


So I have a few questions but the main one is:

- Does the teaching council only recognise the 11-18 year old courses, to make me qualified to teach in Ireland (it will probably be 4-5 years by the time I decide to com eback to Ireland and teach but I do want to settle there)

other questions too


***** Is it wise to do the PGCE rather than a PGDE? ******

Here are some of the reasons I have thought of:

I think I will have about 8grand left in savings after I finish working in Korea and travel around S.E. Asia. I would get a £4,000 bursary from the U.K government (business studies) and I think the tuition fees are cheaper too.

I would also have a better chance I would imagine of securing employment over there too.

It might be a hassle to get recognised by teaching council upon my return.

Ireland is probably waaay more expensive rent wise and fees too.

My G.F prob has a better chance of securing employment in England, (she has a masters and degree too)



*****How much would it actually cost me to do a PGDE in Galway (for example), including expenses for the year? Considering I don't drink / smoke / have much fun etc. *******



****anyone know of the best universities to do a Business studies PGCE?*****

Thanks for reading it....if indeed you did read this far

shtopthelights

Having probs posting this...


So I have a few questions but the main one is:

- Does the teaching council only recognise the 11-18 year old courses, to make me qualified to teach in Ireland (it will probably be 4-5 years by the time I decide to com eback to Ireland and teach but I do want to settle there)

They recognise both Primary and Secondary if that's what you mean. Not sure about further education...

other questions too


***** Is it wise to do the PGCE rather than a PGDE? ******
Depends on what yuo mean by wise.... Most of the points on financing yourself and the fact that your g/f may gain employment more easily in UK too make it very wise. Can't comment on the quality of the PDGE as I didn't do it, but PGCE courses tend to be very well organised, you have to meet a comprehensive list of Qualified Teacher Status standards in your PGCE year, in your induction year and throughout your teaching. Teaching placements are a lot longer than they are in Ireland, mine amounted to 25 weeks. As i say, I can't compare, but I do believe teacher ed. in the UK is very good. If you're not meeting the standards, you don't pass, simple as. you are very well monitored and supported throughout your teaching career, inspections of your lessons don't stop once qualified, they carry on even when you're the head of department or faculty. as for Teaching Council, see below

Here are some of the reasons I have thought of:

I think I will have about 8grand left in savings after I finish working in Korea and travel around S.E. Asia. I would get a £4,000 bursary from the U.K government (business studies) and I think the tuition fees are cheaper too.

You will probably have no tuition fees, or have your tuition fees covered. I managed to live on the £6000 (when i did it) bursary I got. -you will find you will have no time to spend it and if you don't drink or smoke and have savings, you should manage just fine.

I would also have a better chance I would imagine of securing employment over there too.
Yes, most likely. i'm not sure how in demand teachers of Business Studies are, but in general it's easier to secure employment than in Ireland

It might be a hassle to get recognised by teaching council upon my return.
Keep your course handbook, booklists etc and get what you need for registration while you are there -it's all on the TC website. Try to start the process before your course finishes, as it will be much easier. I recently had to go in person to my unis to get what I needed, because I spent over two yrs on and off trying to get the stuff over telephone and e-mail, to no avail. Of course, if you're planning to teach over there for a few years, you'll have completed your induction and should therefore be recognised straight away on your return, under the relevant EU directive.... Check the TC website as there is some new priviso regarding the registration of teachers who do a PGCE in 2011 and beyond



****anyone know of the best universities to do a Business studies PGCE?*****
Ofsted is the name of the educational inspection body that inspects courses and it should be easy to find the inspection reports online and access league tables for the best university ITT courses in specific subjects. Most will require an interview so if you're abroad, keep this in mind. Some also require you to do a presentation and/ or another task , like marking a GCSE strudent's work, so thay have an idea about what standard you're presently at in terms of subject knowledge etc [/QUOTE]

cloneslad

^^^^^

Legend!!

So no tuition fees? wow, I knew they gave you a bursary but I didn't know the fees were waived too.

shtopthelights

Well, they were waived when I did my course in '03/'04, hopefully they're still waiving them!

Aisling23

shtopthelights wrote: »

Well, they were waived when I did my course in '03/'04, hopefully they're still waiving them!

Hey i have a friend that wants to do a business studies pgce. How did you go about applying/getting this bursary? Sounds amazing!

Thanks!

smeedyova

Does teacher training in the UK have to be based on the bachelor degree subjects (as in ROI) or can it be a master's subject (when different from the bachelor subject)?

SeanAnthony

Just to let you know Cloneslad that there is no longer a bursary for the PGCE in Business Education. Business Studies has been one of the subjects scrapped for the Bursary for the acadmic year 2011/12. There is £9000 available for chemistry, physics, mathematics and engineering and £6000 available for modern foreign languages, biology, and general or combined science. This PGCE Bursary for Business was down to £4000 this year. There is a lot of cutbacks in education in the UK at the minute. See link from TDA which confirms this.
http://www.tda.gov.uk/training-provider/itt/funding-allocations/training-bursaries.aspx

cloneslad

I decided against going back to university. Not sure what I'm going to end up doing, but it's not going to be another year of university or becoming a teacher.

Thanks for the information though, I'm sure it will be helpful for others who are searching on the topic in the next couple of months

ConCoBar

If you study at Edge Hill University like I did then the Irish Teaching Council have pre-approved their PGCE's. All I did was send over my parchment and I was automatically registered no assessments needed. It's the only one in mainland UK who have their teaching qualifications pre-approved. Thats why I went. Plus, their business is 11-18 anyways.

http://www.teachingcouncil.ie/_fileupload/TC_Publications/Autoquals_updated_29th_March_2011_52986072.pdf

Search Edge Hill. There straight teaching degree of 3 years however is not recognised you have to do boosters in Limerick!