Very interesting

cyberwolf77

http://www.cracked.com/article_18683_7-scientific-reasons-zombie-outbreak-would-fail-quickly.html
Raises some very interesting points in my opinion.

Brendog

I love cracked.com




If only it were a real person!

cyberwolf77

Quite a few very interesting articles on there.

.SONIC.

but theyre not denying that the out break is possible

.SONIC.

zombie survival tips( that will get you killed)

http://www.cracked.com/article/126_5-popular-zombie-survival-tactics-that-will-get-you-killed/

deise go deo

Exploding meat bags?

That would be great in a Z flick:D

cyberwolf77

.SONIC. wrote: »

but theyre not denying that the out break is possible

true, they just saying it would be quickly contained. They also seem to be ignoring the Guide completely

Sticky_Fingers

Their comments are valid when dealing with old school shamblers but if it's a (much more plausible IMO) outbreak of 28 days infected than I can't see the government containing it. Admittedly you'd only have to survive about 2 months to see the infection burn itself out but they would be very hairy months and if released in a major population area such as London, New York, Tokyo then the there is a real possibility of the situation spiraling out of control.

cyberwolf77

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

Their comments are valid when dealing with old school shamblers but if it's a (much more plausible IMO) outbreak of 28 days infected than I can't see the government containing it. Admittedly you'd only have to survive about 2 months to see the infection burn itself out but they would be very hairy months and if released in a major population area such as London, New York, Tokyo then the there is a real possibility of the situation spiraling out of control.

They also tend to overlook the possibility of an incubation period of any time. All you need is one infected person flying out of an outbreak site and turning in a major travel hub.

.SONIC.

cyberwolf77 wrote: »

They also tend to overlook the possibility of an incubation period of any time. All you need is one infected person flying out of an outbreak site and turning in a major travel hub.

Everywhere except madagascar!!!

SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING!!

daz801

meh if there is z-day and it isn't old school zombies..........it's infected ima go find a gun and put it to my head..........no way......no surviving infected not for me anyway

.SONIC.

daz801 wrote: »

meh if there is z-day and it isn't old school zombies..........it's infected ima go find a gun and put it to my head..........no way......no surviving infected not for me anyway

did you read the article??

Sticky_Fingers

.SONIC. wrote: »

Everywhere except madagascar!!!

SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING!!

LOL f'cking Madagascar, I can never infect that place, rest of the world is a wasteland and an island home to a Ben Stileresque talking zebra and slightly racist lemurs survive. Damn you Pandemic, damn you to hell.

NOGMaxpower

Interesting read but he's making a lot of assumptions and well he/she seems to think their theory is right when talking about hypothetical situations.

I guess they may be right but imo here's somethings to consider...

There is no way on earth can we be sure that the infected pass on the disease/virus or whatever it will be by way of biting. All too often the Zombie infection could be floating about in our air. THink of movies where if you die from a gunshot or whatever and as soon as you die your body reanimates itself as a Zed = flaw in his theory #1

Also they go on to talk about the affects of elements will have on Zombies. They talk about two extremes, heat and cold. But most in the world live in pretty temperate climates. Which would be perfect conditions for most outbreaks = flaw #2

Talking about how Zeds flesh will rot thus imobilising or inhibitting its movement. Well thats a major assumption. Who's to say the Zed's flesh is actually dead? Or that its heart stops pumping blood? What we know that defines humans is our conciousness when we die thats that we're really losing. Afterall our bodies are merely vessles for the soul. Therefore I propose its plausable that yes we cease to exist but our body lives on. Once the Zed has a steady food supply it will get all the nourishment it needs to keep on living. The term "living dead" springs to mind. = flaw #3

having spotted the flaws they do make some good points on humanities ability to adapt and survive (survive = ability to kill anything). We are naturally stratigists, but strategy goes out the window when faced with extreme situations that are unprecidented. It would involve a lot of people being killed or turned into Zeds before humanity learns to adapt and kill their new foe. by that time would it be too late? Personally I don think it wouldn't be long before someone drops a nuke on an outbreak. But what affect will that have on the virus or whatever it will be? Would it cause it to become airborn as it vaporises and spreads into our atmosphere? Possible yes, likely yes it would depend entirely on the makeup of the infection of course but again we're dealing with the unknown, to assume something means certain death.

I liked the article but I dont think it makes any sense out of the unknown its merely someone attempting sound like they know what they are talking about never mind trying to say they're right but justitfying the unkown with basic science theories.

Valmont

I just looked at all of the pictures outlining the decay of a dead pig- I really wish I hadn't.

cyberwolf77

Valmont wrote: »

I just looked at all of the pictures outlining the decay of a dead pig- I really wish I hadn't.

yeah, that put me off bacon for awhile

cyberwolf77

http://www.zombiephiles.com/
Lot of interesting articles here as well.

Brunteaphile

Great article up on cracked.com

http://www.cracked.com/article_18683_7-scientific-reasons-zombie-outbreak-would-fail-quickly.html

1. They have to many natural predators.

2. They can't take the heat.

3. They can't handle the cold.

4. Biting is a terrible way to spread a disease.

5. They can't heal from day to day damage.

6. The landscape is full of zombie-proof barriers.

7. Weapons and the people who use them.

ShadowGal

Brunteaphile wrote: »

Great article up on cracked.com

http://www.cracked.com/article_18683_7-scientific-reasons-zombie-outbreak-would-fail-quickly.html

1. They have to many natural predators.

2. They can't take the heat.

3. They can't handle the cold.

4. Biting is a terrible way to spread a disease.

5. They can't heal from day to day damage.

6. The landscape is full of zombie-proof barriers.

7. Weapons and the people who use them.

biting can spread rabies quickly enough. in fact many of the people who were accused of being the walking dead from centuries ago had in fact rabies. extreme cases showed people acting really erratic and crazy and foaming at the mouth

SmileyPaul

Brunteaphile wrote: »

Great article up on cracked.com

http://www.cracked.com/article_18683_7-scientific-reasons-zombie-outbreak-would-fail-quickly.html

1. They have to many natural predators.

2. They can't take the heat.

3. They can't handle the cold.

4. Biting is a terrible way to spread a disease.

5. They can't heal from day to day damage.

6. The landscape is full of zombie-proof barriers.

7. Weapons and the people who use them.

1. the piece talks about thinking about small critters, which is completely fair... but the meat is diseased and known to almost scare off animals, if this is untrue then you will only have larger predators eating at it for the first few days and then when the flesh because rotten only certain things which even choose to go near it :P

2. good point! but in Ireland we don't have much of that and even in extreme heat zombies will only stop moving if all of its muscles and rendered completely useless or it has become brain dead.... again... :P

3. another good point! but then again they can thaw out which means even after the cold winters and the threat is almost over we will still find Z's floating about because they wont all thaw out in the same spring

4. nyom nyoming is only one way they spread it :P they can scratch too! and if it is believed that they are now prey for thousands of types of animals even coming down to the housefly which I know you would probably use as an example of a small predator which would love to eat its rotting flesh... then the spread of the virus will be rampant and none of us will be safe... simply said fly would just have to land on some food and KABLAMO thats a whole family zead (zombie-dead... yes I just made up my own word... )

5. much like a leper (no offence actually meant :S) but then again with no pain barrier what would they care? they still continue moving, so a removed arm would really do no harm to a Z while to humans it would be fatal (and lepers too, I really don't know why I mentioned that in the first place now haha!)

6. it's also full of.... non... zombie proof barriers :P especially now with so much suburbia in the world... contractors simply flattening out land for people to live in, lovely terrain for Z's as well

7. now this is true, but the vast majority of people aren't well trained ninja zombie assassins, and are just regular joe soaps with no weapons training whatsoever, so its a few defending.. well... millions :P

now.. my favourite reason why the zombie invasion WILL succeed... quickly

humans are intolerably stupid :P and full of emotion, and human kindness and have a natural want to protect others of their kind so when push comes to shove, most Z cases will be from something stupid, like trying to protect someone against the odds, or not retreating "coz I'm too shmad for those Z's"

ScumLord

The Zombie virus isn't particularly good at spreading due to the close contact needed but the reason the Zombie virus would quickly become a problem is because security forces are not going to start bashing peoples brains in and authorities won't command them to do it easily. So I think we;ll see Zombies brought to central containment camps and public buildings like airports, hospitals could very well be other areas where Zombie numbers soar to unimaginable numbers.

1. They have to many natural predators.
Like paul said Zombie meat is toxic to everything.

2. They can't take the heat.
They also don't decompose properly, because the virus is toxic to just about every living thing the bacteria that breaks down the body can't get a foot hold practically mummifying the Zombie instantly.

3. They can't handle the cold.
They don't need to, they just freeze and reanimate, obviously badly damaged by the cold but perhaps still ticking.

4. Biting is a terrible way to spread a disease.
True, I've always said this, but exposed sharp bones would be twice as effective at infecting others.

5. They can't heal from day to day damage.
True, general wear and tear will quickly do away with Zombies no matter what's happens they will weather.

6. The landscape is full of zombie-proof barriers.
True, and due to gernal wear and tear they won't even remain upright for to much time, most Zombies would more than likely be crawlers within the first few weeks.

7. Weapons and the people who use them.
Irish people don't and won't have access to guns.

I do think the Zombie virus would be a long and drawn out problem, it would bring the international economy to a grinding halt but I don't think it would be able to wipe out large portions of the human population. But if it can interfere with the global economy for long enough the lack of international trade (IE food) would kill twice as many people.

DakotaYoda

A rebuttal to cracked's article brought to you by the fine people of the Zombie Research Society! Join up and become a member!!! Start your own local chapter - I notice there's not ONE in Ireland yet. Yes I am member.

http://zombieresearch.net/2010/08/23/cracked-kills-quickly/


7) They Have Too Many Natural Predators
In reality, zombies don’t have any natural predators. It is commonly theorized that the chemical components of zombiism likely cause their flesh to be toxic. Insects that would normally invade a living human, or rotting corpse, would thereby avoid any contact with the undead. Other animals are concerned with staying safe and sticking to what they know. A grotesque, lurching ghoul would scare them just as much as it scares you.


6) They Can’t Take the Heat
Despite Cracked’s claims, putrification is not the first concern when it comes to zombie decay theory. In fact, it’s likely that zombies only live through the Fresh Stage of decay, which is well before any putrification occurs. But it’s commonly believed that their decomposition is substantially slowed, and the level of toxicity in their bodies could kill most normal bacterial processes.


6)* They Can’t Take the Cold

If zombies do in fact freeze in cold weather (and there are many solid scientific theories that suggest they may not), this is no help to people living in much of the world. A zombie outbreak in places like Los Angeles, Miami, Mexico City, Mumbai or Madrid wouldn’t be slowed in the slightest. Even northern regions have long stretches of warmth, and you’ll die of dehydration, malnutrition or worse waiting for winter.


5) Biting is a Terrible Way to Spread a Disease
To assume that zombiism can only be spread through a bite is reckless. Ask the tens of millions of people who have HIV, or the half billion with malaria, how difficult it is to spread a blood borne disease. The sickness could be transmitted by mosquitoes. It could infect municipal water systems, making your kitchen sink as deadly as any raving zombie. There are dozens of logical possibilities of how an outbreak could take hold.


3)* They Can’t Heal from Day-to-Day Damage
Zombies may not heal when injured, but the living aren’t so hot at healing from day-to-day damage either. That’s why we have a hospital infrastructure that will unfortunately collapse when the dead rise, leaving us on the same footing as them. And because zombies probably don’t need to constantly rehydrate like we humans do, they will have a marked advantage in the game of survival.


2) The Landscape is Full of Zombie-Proof Barriers
Inhospitable landscape is as difficult for humans to survive in as the undead, and because the overwhelming majority of us live in cities, the urban landscape it our battleground. Cracked suggests hiding in upper floors of a building and waiting for the outbreak to pass. If you’re not killed by hostile humans desperate for your supplies, you’ll likely die of dehydration in a matter of days. Unless you’re very prepared, the waiting game is no answer.


1) Weapons and the People Who Use Them
Cracked points to the 14 million licensed hunters in the United States, less than 4% of the total population, as proof of our insurmountable combat superiority. ZRS has done extensive research on gun ownership rates across the country, and the number varies greatly from State to State. But the real issue is the lack of access that most will have to ammunition. Once you’re out of bullets that gun is just a stick, and not a very good one at that.

ScumLord

I don't know about many of the points in that rebuttal.

DakotaYoda wrote: »

5) Biting is a Terrible Way to Spread a Disease The sickness could be transmitted by mosquitoes.

That kind of fly's in the face of the first rebuttal in that the virus is supposed to be toxic to these critters.

3)* They Can’t Heal from Day-to-Day Damage
Zombies may not heal when injured, but the living aren’t so hot at healing from day-to-day damage either. That’s why we have a hospital infrastructure that will unfortunately collapse when the dead rise, leaving us on the same footing as them. And because zombies probably don’t need to constantly rehydrate like we humans do, they will have a marked advantage in the game of survival.

The living are extremely good at healing especially in comparison to Zombies, so we're nowhere near on level footing. Even without hospitals we have the knowledge to carry out allot of first aid. It's really micro biology and medication that we'll lose not basic mechanical care. The fact Zombies can't rehydrate could be a huge disadvantage, it takes these liquids to lubricate joints, without lubrications joints will fall apart extremely rapidly, like within hours.

2) The Landscape is Full of Zombie-Proof Barriers
Inhospitable landscape is as difficult for humans to survive in as the undead, and because the overwhelming majority of us live in cities, the urban landscape it our battleground. Cracked suggests hiding in upper floors of a building and waiting for the outbreak to pass. If you’re not killed by hostile humans desperate for your supplies, you’ll likely die of dehydration in a matter of days. Unless you’re very prepared, the waiting game is no answer.

Expect cities to be close to uninhabitable within a year. First of all the dead will make cities toxic, second without constant maintenance nature will reclaim cities within months.

komodosp

First they say " assume zombies are real" but then they don't. If zombies are real they must have protection from bacteria andaggots and all the rest. In the same way, someone who didn't believe in humans would be wrong to use bacteria and maggots to back up their point.

Secondly, they assume it starts with a single person and spreads from there. But what if all the buried corpses in the world rose from their graves? If hell is indeed full, it's reasonable to assume that any new deaths of all but the righteous
will reanimate.

cyberwolf77

komodosp wrote: »

But what if all the buried corpses in the world rose from their graves? If hell is indeed full, it's reasonable to assume that any new deaths of all but the righteous
will reanimate.

I've always found this version a bit odd anyway. Seems like in the movies everyone who gets bit reanimates. Therefore the righteous are either already dead or die off screen