Chipping help

derra

What do yas think of this tutorial for chipping.
Anyone on here good at chipping recommend it or know another youtube video or something as it's killing my game :rolleyes:

http://video.about.com/golf/Chipping-From-a-Good-Lie.htm

Same scenario as usual yesterday, cracking drive, 8 iron short of green and chipped to other side of green and another bad chip to finish with a 6, same again in light rough etc just off green when flag is close and hitting too far or just a few feet in front of me etc

Tried all, sand wedge,pitching,8 etc, developed a fear of chipping on at this stage, i don't have any gap wedges as yet in my bag.


Ended with a 91 yesterday due to bad chipping and of course not hitting enough greens.
Back playing couple months now, 21 starting off, 18 now and capable of getting lower, just need to improve chipping as well as other things but mainly chipping.

So any tips when your chipping on, the stance and setup in that video good? Anything at all to think about when chipping on to help the cause!
Recommend a wedge or technique that would stop dead for me as i seem to be just chipping to the hole and as i said it goes too far or not enough even though i should be allowing for roll etc

I know there is various situations that need different techniques but the scenario in that video i need to improve on..

Cheers.

ianuss

I used to be in the same boat as yourself, similar handicap etc., but since getting my most recent lesson I've vastly improved my short game. It's probably the strongest part of my game now.

The pro giving the lesson suggested that I try and take each shot as a pitch and run. By and large, all chips should be pitch and run, unless you have a hazard/big bunker between you and the target. He gave me pretty much the same set-up as in the video you posted. Although, he got me to keep my feet together, and to put most of my weight on my left leg (I'm right handed), say 70% on left, 30% on the right. Ball at the back of your stance. Close the club face slighly taking some of the loft off it. Like I said, pretty much like the video clip.

The shot is all in your shoulders. No hands. You should just rock your shoulders back and follow through the same amount. Much like a putt. Consistency in the shot is the key. The movements are all totally repeatable, the only difference is club selection, ie loft required. It has definitely taken shots off my rounds

GorHugh

Struggled with my chipping short game for a while now(60 yards and in ) . It was costing me points every round . chipping wud either go 2 feet away or bone it across the green ..

Went to the range last tuesday and used the pitching area at the front of it , Had 20 balls with me and a 54degree lob wedge , hit about 140 /160 balls over 2 hrs till i was happy with it .

Played 2 rounds since and my short game has improved greatly , Now i don't fear chipping in and am it leaving it close enough to be cursing myself if i 2 putt .. Only prob is my driving has now deserted me ... Theres no winning with this game ........:p:p:p

brun36

If you want a really good DVD to study on short game..Phil Micklesons is the bomb...he makes the short game really easy with his technique "hinge and hold". Ive doing this for the last few weeks and it has transformed my chipping. I wasnt striking my chips well at all before and now its much better. In fact I'm really enjoying missing a green now!

Best of luck

derra

ianuss wrote: »

I used to be in the same boat as yourself, similar handicap etc., but since getting my most recent lesson I've vastly improved my short game. It's probably the strongest part of my game now.

The pro giving the lesson suggested that I try and take each shot as a pitch and run. By and large, all chips should be pitch and run, unless you have a hazard/big bunker between you and the target. He gave me pretty much the same set-up as in the video you posted. Although, he got me to keep my feet together, and to put most of my weight on my left leg (I'm right handed), say 70% on left, 30% on the right. Ball at the back of your stance. Close the club face slighly taking some of the loft off it. Like I said, pretty much like the video clip.

The shot is all in your shoulders. No hands. You should just rock your shoulders back and follow through the same amount. Much like a putt. Consistency in the shot is the key. The movements are all totally repeatable, the only difference is club selection, ie loft required. It has definitely taken shots off my rounds

Cheers for the reply, will definitely spend couple hours working on that tomorrow evening.
Too much wrist action would be something i do, flicking my wrists.
Thats the kind of tips i'm looking for, swing like a putting motion as well as feet together etc to try out and see what works.

GorHugh wrote: »

Struggled with my chipping short game for a while now(60 yards and in ) . It was costing me points every round . chipping wud either go 2 feet away or bone it across the green ..

Went to the range last tuesday and used the pitching area at the front of it , Had 20 balls with me and a 54degree lob wedge , hit about 140 /160 balls over 2 hrs till i was happy with it .

Played 2 rounds since and my short game has improved greatly , Now i don't fear chipping in and am it leaving it close enough to be cursing myself if i 2 putt .. Only prob is my driving has now deserted me ... Theres no winning with this game ........:p:p:p

Practice,practice and more practice is the key alright !
Have better idea now in approaching it differently so will give it a bash.
Good luck with sorting out your driving issues now, feels good when ya sort something thats wrong with your game

brun36 wrote: »

If you want a really good DVD to study on short game..Phil Micklesons is the bomb...he makes the short game really easy with his technique "hinge and hold". Ive doing this for the last few weeks and it has transformed my chipping. I wasnt striking my chips well at all before and now its much better. In fact I'm really enjoying missing a green now!

Best of luck

Will have a root around the net for clips of the video, cheers for the suggestion.

jimmystars

ianuss wrote: »

I used to be in the same boat as yourself, similar handicap etc., but since getting my most recent lesson I've vastly improved my short game. It's probably the strongest part of my game now.

The pro giving the lesson suggested that I try and take each shot as a pitch and run. By and large, all chips should be pitch and run, unless you have a hazard/big bunker between you and the target. He gave me pretty much the same set-up as in the video you posted. Although, he got me to keep my feet together, and to put most of my weight on my left leg (I'm right handed), say 70% on left, 30% on the right. Ball at the back of your stance. Close the club face slighly taking some of the loft off it. Like I said, pretty much like the video clip.

The shot is all in your shoulders. No hands. You should just rock your shoulders back and follow through the same amount. Much like a putt. Consistency in the shot is the key. The movements are all totally repeatable, the only difference is club selection, ie loft required. It has definitely taken shots off my rounds

Sounds exactly like a lesson i got a couple of months ago. The best part of my game now. I would seriously recomend this, although you need to figure out what clubs suit you best and it can change from course to course but the technique is pretty straight forward.

derra

jimmystars wrote: »

Sounds exactly like a lesson i got a couple of months ago. The best part of my game now. I would seriously recomend this, although you need to figure out what clubs suit you best and it can change from course to course but the technique is pretty straight forward.

Technique is what i'm gonna concentrate on for next while, embarassed myself yesterday with bad chipping, really messed up my scores :mad:

Need to look at some wedges and get advice off a pro regarding them.

PhilipMarlowe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq4VwkM7Mnc

www.shawnclementgolf.com
Shawn Clement is highly thought of by several people on here and has buckets of youtube videos.. he's always a go-to when I want to figure some issue out.

ianuss

derra wrote: »

Technique is what i'm gonna concentrate on for next while, embarassed myself yesterday with bad chipping, really messed up my scores :mad:

Need to look at some wedges and get advice off a pro regarding them.

to be honest mate, it's got very little to do with your clubs. It's all about the technique you use.

derra

Licksy wrote: »

www.shawnclementgolf.com
Shawn Clement is highly thought of by several people on here and has buckets of youtube videos.. he's always a go-to when I want to figure some issue out.

Great video, cheers.

ianuss wrote: »

to be honest mate, it's got very little to do with your clubs. It's all about the technique you use.

As someone said on here before, blame the indian and not the arrow !
Plenty now to work on and practice with.

Whyner

derra wrote: »

Great video, cheers.



As someone said on here before, blame the indian and not the arrow !
Plenty now to work on and practice with.

Have the ball back in your stance, your weight 65% on the front foot and your hands in front of the ball. These 3 steps should help you create a crisp connection.

Myksyk

I would also recommend Mickelson's short game video. You can get the app on iphone which is great too. The hinge and hold method is a seriously good addition to any arsenal. It doesn't rule out the 'rigid wrist' approach (although Mickelson himself rules it out), I still use the various techniques I've learned but Mickelson's are seriously good.

BoardsMember

Whyner wrote: »

Have the ball back in your stance, your weight 65% on the front foot and your hands in front of the ball. These 3 steps should help you create a crisp connection.

The above are the three basics. It's what I thought I was doing, and could not figure out why I was boning. I was getting worse and worse. The bone shot was my weakness. I worked out two things I was not doing right:

I was releasing the club early, so even though my hands were ahead of the club at address, when I struck the ball they were behind. That is a classic cause of a boned chip. You have to keep your hands ahead of the club.

Another thing I have concentrated on is how gently to grip the club. you have to let it release by itself. It is ok to cock the wrists on the way back, but you have to be totally relaxed quiet grip to let it release naturally on the way through.

Hope you have improved. As everyone says, practise is everything. An hour or two twice a week, and then look forward to the challenges of each chip on the course rather than dreading it. I still bone the odd one, but much less, and I dont get so stressed now, because I know it is the exception, and I know I'm going to miss the odd one. Just like the short putss. Miss one, make you mind up to get the next one!

derra

BoardsMember wrote: »

The above are the three basics. It's what I thought I was doing, and could not figure out why I was boning. I was getting worse and worse. The bone shot was my weakness. I worked out two things I was not doing right:

I was releasing the club early, so even though my hands were ahead of the club at address, when I struck the ball they were behind. That is a classic cause of a boned chip. You have to keep your hands ahead of the club.

Another thing I have concentrated on is how gently to grip the club. you have to let it release by itself. It is ok to cock the wrists on the way back, but you have to be totally relaxed quiet grip to let it release naturally on the way through.

Hope you have improved. As everyone says, practise is everything. An hour or two twice a week, and then look forward to the challenges of each chip on the course rather than dreading it. I still bone the odd one, but much less, and I dont get so stressed now, because I know it is the exception, and I know I'm going to miss the odd one. Just like the short putss. Miss one, make you mind up to get the next one!

Have improved on the technique a great deal, spent 4 hours since last Friday evening practicing and playing in between.
As you say, not gonna get them all right but am giving myself a chance now in 70% of them, running them up to within a few feet as opposed to going across the green back and forth !

The technique is becoming more comfortable and natural to do and not dreading them now really though still alot of work to be done and to maintain that by continuing to practice. Will keep in mind the loosened grip you pointed out and gain a better feel of each chip.

Coupled with the fact i used to play and was expecting too much in my game i am realising i am essentially a beginner again
Enjoying the challenge all the same.

fonda

This is the set up I have written down in notes, think the follow through at the bottom is a very important point as you dont want to de-accelerate into the ball, also use a lighter grip than a normal shot and just let the club do the work.

Ball back in stance (no further than right ankle)
60 – 65% weight on left side
Narrow stance 4 – 6 inches
Hands ahead of ball
No wrist cock
Smooth pendulum like swing
Follow through about 20% longer than backswing

ankles

My chipping has got pretty good. My one rule. hold the club as light as you possibly can. Everything else is just tech stuff. But if you set up, hold the club nice and light and let it flow, then you can practice fiddling round with where you put the ball in your stance and how you release through to hit it low or high. But if you hold it light and let it release then you will always get a nice soft chip.

Let the club just lie in your hand and flow. head down til the ball is gone. I almost never use a lob wedge now.

BoardsMember

ankles wrote: »

My chipping has got pretty good. My one rule. hold the club as light as you possibly can. Everything else is just tech stuff. But if you set up, hold the club nice and light and let it flow, then you can practice fiddling round with where you put the ball in your stance and how you release through to hit it low or high. But if you hold it light and let it release then you will always get a nice soft chip.

Let the club just lie in your hand and flow. head down til the ball is gone. I almost never use a lob wedge now.

Great advice, working hard on it myself

billy3sheets

Something I've found has greatly helped me in this is taking my right hand out of it almost completely. For practice I take my right hand off the club and cover my left hand with it. This seems to free up the head of the club to do the work. I get a nice contact with the ball even from rough.
The set-up I use is as posetd by fonda. If I want the ball to fly higher, I just poistion it more in the middle of the stance.

derra

Much improved chipping today with all the advice given.
Gave meself a chance on alot of holes to make par and ended with a 87 (45,42) to nett a 69, delighted with that.
Usual couple bad holes to make the card look bad but overall delighted with chipping and running the ball up.

gerrycorrigan

I normally use a pitching wedge for chips, and they are normally go askew. Am now going to try the advice given here. The question I have is that would one always use a pitching wedge style club for chip and run shots?

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gerrycorrigan wrote: »

I normally use a pitching wedge for chips, and they are normally go askew. Am now going to try the advice given here. The question I have is that would one always use a pitching wedge style club for chip and run shots?

Some people try to use the same club for all & vary the position of the ball in the stance, and how hard you hit it etc; some would tend to use the club right for the specific shot, i.e. repeat the same stroke, but change club. The rule of thumb is to get the ball rolling on the short grass, whether you can do that with more confidence using the same club, or prefer to change club and keep all else as much the same as possible, is up to you.

MrDerp

gerrycorrigan wrote: »

I normally use a pitching wedge for chips, and they are normally go askew. Am now going to try the advice given here. The question I have is that would one always use a pitching wedge style club for chip and run shots?

I'm a beginner who has yet to break 100, so take this with a pinch of salt, but I was also using the PW/SW for everything until recently.

I've had a bit of success recently with breaking out the 8 iron for chips where I'm quite close to the putting surface. That said, the reason I'm doing this is that I'm trying to keep constant setup and varying only the length of my swing, the club, and the amount I choke down on the grip.

I've read a few places that the best thing to do with chip and run is to get the ball onto the putting surface at the earliest possible time.
- On flat ground, a PW chip should cover 1/2 of its distance in the air, then roll 1/2
- 8I should do 3/8 and 5/8
- 6I should do 1/4 and 3/4

So, close to the green, I've started to hit a soft 8I chip, choked well down on the club. Nearly had my first chip in with this recently. And it's giving me more control for these chips - I hit a lot of chips within 8 feet last time out*


*badly need to work on my putting from 5-8ft!

SARZY

it seems that for pros its the turning of the shoulders and quiet hands that does the trick on the short shots.
if you try that you will notice that the clubface opens naturally on the way back and returns to square at impact.
if you are not turning your shoulders and are using your hands, then you must open the clubface on the backswing.
just as hooding the clubface wont work on the long shots, it wont work on the short ones either.

gerrycorrigan

MrDerp wrote: »

I'm a beginner who has yet to break 100, so take this with a pinch of salt, but I was also using the PW/SW for everything until recently.

I've had a bit of success recently with breaking out the 8 iron for chips where I'm quite close to the putting surface. That said, the reason I'm doing this is that I'm trying to keep constant setup and varying only the length of my swing, the club, and the amount I choke down on the grip.

I've read a few places that the best thing to do with chip and run is to get the ball onto the putting surface at the earliest possible time.
- On flat ground, a PW chip should cover 1/2 of its distance in the air, then roll 1/2
- 8I should do 3/8 and 5/8
- 6I should do 1/4 and 3/4

So, close to the green, I've started to hit a soft 8I chip, choked well down on the club. Nearly had my first chip in with this recently. And it's giving me more control for these chips - I hit a lot of chips within 8 feet last time out*


*badly need to work on my putting from 5-8ft!

Mr Derp, that sounds like good advice, thanks. I, like yourself am trying to break 100. I can drive with the best of them, but around the green I am disastrous, and I just feel that if I could focus on one area, i.e. chipping, I will break that mythical barrier, because I am amazingly consistent - 102, 104 etc. Once I went out in 48, but came back in 52! Thnks again for advice, and if, sorry, when, I get into the nineties I'll come back on here.

Webbs

I found that when I was having real trouble with my chipping that for a good few rounds I would not even think about the flag, all I would do is go for the fat of the green even if it meant being a long way away for my putt.
It felt a bit strange at first not going for the pins but it just took all the pressure off.

As I got the confidence up and I was getting the chips safely on and into the right area I would then start to go after the area of the green where the pin was, again though not really thinking of the pin more a 20foot circle.

Chipping like putting is a real confidence thing and once i had cut out the duffed chips, or chipping back and forth across the green I found I was able to visualise and execute chipping reasonably well and really noticed my scores come down.

derra

Played in a singles matchplay on Saturday (h18), led for most of the round till 16th and i went 1 down.
The other lad (h15)hits his drive down the middle on the 17th and i blasted mine way right, no view of green whatsoever with view blocked from trees, used a mast on a mountain for a line and hit the back of the green with a 6 iron.
Chip and run to within 4 feet and holed out, he got a 5, so all square on the last.

Then he hit his drive to the right on the 18th into the bushes and i hit the middle of the fairway, anyway had a pitching wedge to the green on 3rd shot and with adrenaline pumping i went too far onto a high mound on back of the green,the kind of chip and run i dreaded when out playing and again played a super chip and run to within two feet. Ended up i had two putts to win it, but the chipping practice paid off big time when it really mattered and won me the match !

Two of us are good mates too, so bragging rights was the bonus