People who kill themselves by jumping in front of cars

SugarHigh

Just going on from the other thread. Isn't this a really ****ed up way of killing yourself.

The poor bastard who hits you will be scarred for life and that's only if you don't cause him to die in the crash.

It's also not guaranteed to finish you off.

Tar.Aldarion

'I bet you a million euro it will!'

Win win for the jumper

My name is URL

I don't think rationale is at the front of a suicidal person's mind, most of the time

SugarHigh

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't rationale is at the front of a suicidal person's mind, most of the time

Yea but still, surely they could think of an easier way that doesn't involve ****ing someone else up and that wouldn't be so painful if it goes wrong.

Overheal

Again though, suicide is not a rational act. It's unrealistic to expect rational forward thought from someone irrational enough to commit suicide.

Mrmoe

I think insurance could be an element in choosing this suicide method. They might want to make it look like an accident so that their family could receive some compensation from either motor insurance or some other life insurance policy. It is a terrible thing to happen to a driver, something they probably never recover from.

Lust4Life

Just Natural Selection taking its course.

SugarHigh

Overheal wrote: »

Again though, suicide is not a rational act. It's unrealistic to expect rational forward thought from someone irrational enough to commit suicide.

A lot of people manage it. David Kelly just took and few painkillers and then headed into the woods with a razor blade. That's not too messy, no one had to clean up his house like those people who blow their head off with a shot gun in the family living room.

minidazzler

Worse for train drivers, happens them all the time! People are cnuts, some peopel are cnuts even in death!

SugarHigh

Lust4Life wrote: »

Just Natural Selection taking its course.

No more than any other death.

ancapailldorcha

Never heard of this. In the US, I know that "death by cop" is common.

Overheal

I see where this thread is going:

"People if you're going to commit suicide, please please please do it somewhere it's going to be easy clean up after you."

My name is URL

Lust4Life wrote: »

Just Natural Selection taking its course.

It really isn't, unless suicide is an inheritable trait.. which is a bit of a paradox really

Morbo the Annihilator

http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Suicide_booth

mikemac

I do reckon a lot of single vehicle fatalities are suicidies.

Straight road, no other cars, just went off the road, no seatbelt

No way to prove it though.
The family doesn't have a corner declaring it a suicide and insurance pay out

bobblepuzzle

SugarHigh wrote: »

Just going on from the other thread. Isn't this a really ****ed up way of killing yourself.

The poor bastard who hits you will be scarred for life and that's only if you don't cause him to die in the crash.

It's also not guaranteed to finish you off.

Linky to the other thread?

ejmaztec

SugarHigh wrote: »

A lot of people manage it. David Kelly just took and few painkillers and then headed into the woods with a razor blade. That's not too messy, no one had to clean up his house like those people who blow their head off with a shot gun in the family living room.

That's the official version anyway.

SugarHigh

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Never heard of this. In the US, I know that "death by cop" is common.

Death by guard probably wouldn't work too well. You'd probably just accumulate a bunch of fines instead.

SugarHigh

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

Linky to the other thread?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055999668

ancapailldorcha

SugarHigh wrote: »

Death by guard probably wouldn't work too well. You'd probably just accumulate a bunch of fines instead.

Very fair point. It's a horrible thing to do with your final act though, scarring another human being for life.

My name is URL

SugarHigh wrote: »

Yea but still, surely they could think of an easier way that doesn't involve ****ing someone else up and that wouldn't be so painful if it goes wrong.

How many suicides end with nobody being scarred because of it? How about when a kid finds their dad hanging in a shed.. Or when families are put through the agonizing wait after someone overdoses on paracetamol.. That's pretty scarring too I'd imagine.

Only a tiny % of suicides are in any way rationally thought out beforehand

PeterIanStaker

Morbo the Annihilator wrote: »

http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Suicide_booth

If they had them in this country it'd be another E-Voting machine type farce. Nobody'd get to use them.

ColeTrain

My name is URL wrote: »

How many suicides end with nobody being scarred because of it? How about when a kid finds their dad hanging in a shed.. Or when families are put through the agonizing wait after someone overdoses on paracetamol.. That's pretty scarring too I'd imagine.

Only a tiny % of suicides are in any way rationally thought out beforehand

That's family members being scarred though. What the OP is getting at is bringing random members of the public into it. I can only imagine how it would feel if someone threw themselves in front of my car like that.

sponsoredwalk

Lust4Life wrote: »

Just Natural Selection taking its course.

Aside from unwittingly eugenecist comments like this if you could get a
person who was planning to commit suicide by jumping in front of a car to
think about the impact their action would have on the person they've jumped
in front of then maybe you'd be able to get them to think about what
they're actually doing.

You're dealing with irrationality & passionate abandon to the extreme here,
I think there's a lot more to worry about that the driver.
At least if the driver finds out the person was willingly committing suicide
it would ease the conscience of the driver - it would certainly ease mine.

My name is URL

ColeTrain wrote: »

That's family members being scarred though. What the OP is getting at is bringing random members of the public into it. I can only imagine how it would feel if someone threw themselves in front of my car like that.

I know.. but really it's not about you, or the families, or the people who are tasked with going out to search for your corpse.

It's about the the 'me' that decided that the only possible answer is death. Can you imagine the stuff going through their minds when that seems like the only way to help themselves? If someone was going to take into consideration the reactions of other people then they're more likely to take into consideration the effect of removing themselves from the frame completely.. I mean they see being dead as an improvement!

It just is not rational.. and logic simply cannot be applied to it, imo

RMD

AFAIK it's not a popular suicide method compared to others, the odds of it succeeding are about 50/50 and if it doesn't, you're often pretty ****ed as a result.

Much worse for train drivers, it happens a hell of a lot more often to them. My uncle was a Dart driver for about 5-8 years I think and in that time he had about 2-3 people try it.

Terry

My name is URL wrote: »

It really isn't, unless suicide is an inheritable trait.. which is a bit of a paradox really

It's not a paradox.
Depression is an inherited trait, and depression can lead to suicide.

feelingstressed wrote: »

I do reckon a lot of single vehicle fatalities are suicidies.

Straight road, no other cars, just went off the road, no seatbelt

No way to prove it though.
The family doesn't have a corner declaring it a suicide and insurance pay out

I'd imagine some of them are. That was my first attempt. As you can see though, it didn't really work.

What you need to take into account is that people suffering from depression will often plan their suicide well in advance. Because of the shame associated with depression (people being institutionalised and being declared insane and whatnot), many people are unwilling to talk about depression for fear of being shunned by society.

Then again, you do have instances where people just snap and will look for the easiest and quickest way out.

Depression is very hard to explain to people who have never suffered from it.
The most basic way I can think of explaining it is to imagine the worst hangover you have ever had (think a mix of alcohol and coke or speed) and multiply that feeling by 1,000. Then you're close to feeling how a depressed person feels all the time.

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My name is URL

Terry wrote: »

It's not a paradox.
Depression is an inherited trait, and depression can lead to suicide.

It's not natural selection either though. Depression is a cause.. suicide is a remedy. Most people suffering from depression don't kill themselves.. even though most of those who commit suicide are suffering from depression.

If it was natural selection then those likely to kill themselves would not get the chance to procreate..

death isn't a sign of discontinuation

ldxo15wus6fpgm

My name is URL wrote: »

It's not natural selection either though. Depression is a cause.. suicide is a remedy. Most people suffering from depression don't kill themselves.. even though most of those who commit suicide are suffering from depression.

If it was natural selection then those likely to kill themselves would not get the chance to procreate..

death isn't a sign of discontinuation

It is natural selection... it's an undesirable trait, which (sometimes) results in the carrier's demise.

cooltown

It's a very hard thing. The people who do it are just in a certain state of mind that they re not thinking of anybody but themselves.

Terry

My name is URL wrote: »

It's not natural selection either though. Depression is a cause.. suicide is a remedy. Most people suffering from depression don't kill themselves.. even though most of those who commit suicide are suffering from depression.

If it was natural selection then those likely to kill themselves would not get the chance to procreate..

death isn't a sign of discontinuation

Suicide is not a valid remedy in this day and age.
Councelling and, if needed, medication are the valid remedies.

I never agreed to the point that it was natural selection.

Louis High Salad wrote: »

It is natural selection... it's an undesirable trait, which (sometimes) results in the carrier's demise.

No, it's not natural selection.
If it was, then cures for depression would not have come about. People would not seek help.
Suicide rates would be far higher if it was natural selection.

Shame about how you feel due to how you were treated as a child is natural, but it is not part of natural selection.

A genetic predisposition to depression can now be, in most cases, dealt with because we have evolved far enough to understand the causes of depression.
If you are going to play the evolution card, then perhaps you should take this into account.

My name is URL

Louis High Salad wrote: »

It is natural selection... it's an undesirable trait, which (sometimes) results in the carrier's demise.

Yeah.. like driving.

If there's a chance you might die, will you still buy a car? You're missing my point I think.. about death not being a sign of discontinuation.

ldxo15wus6fpgm

Terry wrote: »

No, it's not natural selection.
If it was, then cures for depression would not have come about. People would not seek help.
Suicide rates would be far higher if it was natural selection.

Shame about how you feel due to how you were treated as a child is natural, but it is not part of natural selection.

A genetic predisposition to depression can now be, in most cases, dealt with because we have evolved far enough to understand the causes of depression.
If you are going to play the evolution card, then perhaps you should take this into account.

Having a gene which dictates a psychological illness such as depression is the same as having a gene which will eventually cause any other kind of illness. A cure being developed doesn't change the fact that it's natural selection; we have developed treatments for countless diseases and disorders which could potentially cause the death of those affected.
Also, while I was not talking about depression brought on by traumatic experiences, the consequences of an outside influence can also be said to be natural selection, as the organism is susceptible to this influence.
For example, a number of birds of a certain species (I cannot remember which) had offspring with a red patch on their breast, due to being exposed to radiation around Chernobyl. The red patch was an unattractive trait to the rest of the birds of that species, and this trait eventually died out. This was given as an example of natural selection.

My name is URL wrote: »

Yeah.. like driving.

If there's a chance you might die, will you still buy a car? You're missing my point I think.. about death not being a sign of discontinuation.

Well we'll put it simply then. Picture this:
Two attractive looking women. One of them has a great personality, easy to get along with etc.
The other suffers from depression and has deep rooted psychological issues.

Who am I going to pick? :pac:

Also, how is driving a trait? And how is it undesirable?