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thelongfellow

Disappointing showing from Ireland to finish bottom of the table. Not much sign of any standout talent coming thru at the minute

http://www.golfbox.dk/livescoring/poolinfo.asp?pool={BC23E1F7-D986-487D-B8B6-4D8159A4F82B}&clubOnly=1&color=1Latest&lang=1033

Fair play to the two Irish lads who got thru to the Q/F of the British boys.

http://www.randa.org/en/Championship%20Golf/Amateur%20Championships/Boys%20Amateur/DrawScoringResults.aspx?view=match&round=5

f22

I know Jeff Hopkins, great talent and a name you'll hear lots more of in the future. One of the longest off the tee I've seen in a very long time.

thelongfellow

f22 wrote: »

I know Jeff Hopkins, great talent and a name you'll hear lots more of in the future. One of the longest off the tee I've seen in a very long time.

He's thru to the semi's now.

uptheroyals

thelongfellow wrote: »

Fair play to the two Irish lads who got thru to the Q/F of the British boys.

yeh fair play to the lads that are being brought in front of disciplinery committee!!

thelongfellow

uptheroyals wrote: »

yeh fair play to the lads that are being brought in front of disciplinery committee!!

Care to elaborate-your talking about the two under 18's who got through to the Q/F's of the British boys yeah?

Probably just fishing.

uptheroyals

thelongfellow wrote: »

Care to elaborate-your talking about the two under 18's who got through to the Q/F's of the British boys yeah?

Probably just fishing.

not sure if they got through or not. im talking about 3 of the lads who were paid to go over to the internationals and british boys by the gui (out of our subs) then decided to sneak out of the hotel (even though under strict orders not to) and go on the beer. Now they are being brought infront of the disciplinary committee by the gui!!

thelongfellow

uptheroyals wrote: »

not sure if they got through or not. im talking about 3 of the lads who were paid to go over to the internationals and british boys by the gui (out of our subs) then decided to sneak out of the hotel (even though under strict orders not to) and go on the beer. Now they are being brought infront of the disciplinary committee by the gui!!

OH NO.... I thought you were on about cheating or something serious.

gorfield

thelongfellow wrote: »

OH NO.... I thought you were on about cheating or something serious.

Your wrong, cheating isnt serious anymore...the gui encourage it nowadays.;)

The problem with the few lads going out is that because they are under 18 they are the responsibility of the gui when away from home, so god forbid if something happened to any of them it would fall on the gui as their fault....

thelongfellow

gorfield wrote: »

Your wrong, cheating isnt serious anymore...the gui encourage it nowadays.;)

The problem with the few lads going out is that because they are under 18 they are the responsibility of the gui when away from home, so god forbid if something happened to any of them it would fall on the gui as their fault....

I think most of us who went on school trips, club excursions when under 18 got up to some stuff.

Maybe they don't deserve to play for Ireland anymore as they can't be that bright if they got caught sneaking out for a few beers. It's an essential life skill nowadays.

bigguy086

the guys were not drinking. the three of them are all 18. they had no golf the next day as it was in between the homes and the british. stuck in a hotel room for two weeks with no activities. gorfield is right. you can change your scorecard and get away with it but staying out till 2am drinking sprite and you get banned. the GUI are nothing short of a disgrace

Punchbowl4

to be honest, i'm not sure Ireland deserved to finish anywhere but last. leaving out the current East of Ireland champion, who wasnt exactly a nobody before he won, must go down as one of the worst selections in history. combine that with the selection of a youngster from the Captains home club, who hasnt exactly lit up the senior scene. they deserve 4th.

thelongfellow

Punchbowl4 wrote: »

to be honest, i'm not sure Ireland deserved to finish anywhere but last. leaving out the current East of Ireland champion, who wasnt exactly a nobody before he won, must go down as one of the worst selections in history. combine that with the selection of a youngster from the Captains home club, who hasnt exactly lit up the senior scene. they deserve 4th.

Come on guys-this is Ireland. It's not what you know it's who you know

Punchbowl4

thats the way it appears. but its got to be seriously discouraging for players if the rewards arent there. they spat in the face of Pat Murray last year by not picking the Irish Champ for the Euros, then they pick this year when possibly not deserving it. Then Curley gets left out this year. at this rate, why would any of the top amateurs bother hanging around the amateur game for long. the whole selection process needs to be looked at. maybe go the European route, and let the coach pick the teams?

Only one Keano

Very dissapointing allright and none of the Irish lads seemed to be challenging in European Amateur Champs either.

Good to see the Boys doing so well particularly in the British Boys!

I reckon our lads play too much Championship golf on links which is not good practice for any aspiring tour pro when c 95% of tour events are played on parkland and all the non Irish & British Amateur events are not played on links. It also means we are going to produce a higher % of low ball flight players who will struggle in the American stadium course where the game is all about carry. I think the Irish Close at least should be played on a parkland course every year. What do other guys think?

uptheroyals

Only one Keano wrote: »

Very dissapointing allright and none of the Irish lads seemed to be challenging in European Amateur Champs either.

Good to see the Boys doing so well particularly in the British Boys!

I reckon our lads play too much Championship golf on links which is not good practice for any aspiring tour pro when c 95% of tour events are played on parkland and all the non Irish & British Amateur events are not played on links. It also means we are going to produce a higher % of low ball flight players who will struggle in the American stadium course where the game is all about carry. I think the Irish Close at least should be played on a parkland course every year. What do other guys think?

how the hell can you knock the preparation for tour, ireland has one of the highest % of tour pros per capita, if not the highest!! and when you narrow it down to northern ireland the stat becomes even more amazing!! look at the amount of guys ireland has produced on the tour, harrington, mcdowell, mcginley,mcilroy, lowry, mcgrane, thornton, laurie. like how can anyone say irish players going through the system badly prepared for the tour!!

and for everyones information, 2 of the guys got a 6 month ban from gui evensts, with the third getting a year as he had the same/simelar offence before. The gui obviously didnt believe they went out to get a "sprite"

Paulusmaximus

Am i right in thinking that with a 6 month ban from GUI events that they'll will only miss the Irish Boy's next week? There is hardly any other championships between now and Feb...

Hardly a punishment i'd say... bet they guys are devastated about that ban....:rolleyes:

thelongfellow

Punchbowl4 wrote: »

but its got to be seriously discouraging for players if the rewards arent there.

Has there ever been a team selection that hasn't been controversial for some reason or another?

Only one Keano wrote: »

Very dissapointing allright and none of the Irish lads seemed to be challenging in European Amateur Champs either.

Well considering when we think of how last years amateurs were all that comes to my mind is Shane Lowry winning in Louth then this years batch were never going to live up to it. Still, with all the funding and high profile competitions they enter it was disappointing that the only recognised competition won outside of Ireland was the Lytham trophy won by Cutler.

uptheroyals wrote: »

and for everyones information, 2 of the guys got a 6 month ban from gui evensts, with the third getting a year as he had the same/simelar offence before. The gui obviously didnt believe they went out to get a "sprite"

How dumb were they to get caught?

bigguy086

Paulusmaximus wrote: »

Am i right in thinking that with a 6 month ban from GUI events that they'll will only miss the Irish Boy's next week? There is hardly any other championships between now and Feb...

Hardly a punishment i'd say... bet they guys are devastated about that ban....:rolleyes:

yeah losing their grants worth of thousands of euros and also places on the GB and I boys team as well as their free golf equipment and golfballs and winter coaching. im sure they are laughing their heads off at that. my dear god.

the organisation is a disgrace to the country and its about time the department of sport or the irish sports council got involved. with guys getting away with cheating and getting rewarded for it, americans getting picked for national teams without having played in one tournament this side of the atlantic and now lads getting banned for breaking a curfew while on a break from tournament play. Only in ireland would you see this. yet again ireland is a laughing stock.

f22

thelongfellow wrote: »

Well considering when we think of how last years amateurs were all that comes to my mind is Shane Lowry winning in Louth then this years batch were never going to live up to it. Still, with all the funding and high profile competitions they enter it was disappointing that the only recognised competition won outside of Ireland was the Lytham trophy won by Cutler.

Dunbar also won the St Andrews Links Trophy

bigguy086

he won that last year. in fairness to dunbar he won the irish open amatuer so thats an international event.

im sure the yank won some tournament in america! surely that counts haha.

imagine the uproar when they announce the three man world cup team

Ireland
cutler - northern ireland
dunbar - northern ireland
yankie - yankie

madds

bigguy086 wrote: »

...and now lads getting banned for breaking a curfew while on a break from tournament play. Only in ireland would you see this. yet again ireland is a laughing stock.

Heard that some of the lads were given permission to go out the night before by the team manager but on the second night they had no permission. All was going to plan until the taxi driver they had booked to bring them out walked into reception and shouted out - "Taxi for a Mr. Murphy!!" (not the real surname). Cue GUI official going bezerk.

thelongfellow

f22 wrote: »

Dunbar also won the St Andrews Links Trophy

Let's bring this up...

Dunbar=Ireland?

f22

thelongfellow wrote: »

Let's bring this up...

Dunbar=Ireland?

In case it may have escaped you all Ireland panels are selected from all four provinces, including Ulster.

thelongfellow

f22 wrote: »

In case it may have escaped you all Ireland panels are selected from all four provinces, including Ulster.

ha yeah I know that but thanks for pointing it out.

f22

thelongfellow wrote: »

ha yeah I know that but thanks for pointing it out.

So what exactly was the point of your post?

thelongfellow

f22 wrote: »

So what exactly was the point of your post?

Obviously it went over your head. But thanks for stopping by :rolleyes:

f22

thelongfellow wrote: »

Obviously it went over your head. But thanks for stopping by :rolleyes:

Well forgive me for being stupid but you mentioned that Cutler was the only amateur to win anything outside the country in 2009, which was incorrect, so maybe you actually need to spell out your point afterall.

thelongfellow

f22 wrote: »

Well forgive me for being stupid but you mentioned that Cutler was the only amateur to win anything outside the country in 2009, which was incorrect, so maybe you actually need to spell out your point afterall.

Well thanks for mentioning Dunbar who I forgot but I am fresh out of medals.

f22

thelongfellow wrote: »

Well thanks for mentioning Dunbar who I forgot but I am fresh out of medals.

It was hardly an attempt at ridiculing you in any way, simply a fact.

It's yout Dunbar=Ireland? point I take issue with, which seems irrelevant to me.

thelongfellow

Must be a slow Friday...

Sport NI supports the full-time amateur golfers in NI. This funding comes direct from the UK government. The funding for Leinster, Munster and Connacht comes from the Irish government and GUI turnover.

There are roughly the same number of European tour players from NI as there are from ROI.

How is it that one provence from Ireland is able to essentially match the other three put together in producing quality golfers?

f22

Good point, I had no idea that Ulster players were funded independently.

I assumed that perhaps they have received grants rom separate bodies but travel/subsistence would be GUI supported.

Only one Keano

uptheroyals wrote: »

how the hell can you knock the preparation for tour, ireland has one of the highest % of tour pros per capita, if not the highest!! and when you narrow it down to northern ireland the stat becomes even more amazing!! look at the amount of guys ireland has produced on the tour, harrington, mcdowell, mcginley,mcilroy, lowry, mcgrane, thornton, laurie. like how can anyone say irish players going through the system badly prepared for the tour!!

and for everyones information, 2 of the guys got a 6 month ban from gui evensts, with the third getting a year as he had the same/simelar offence before. The gui obviously didnt believe they went out to get a "sprite"

The game is changing radically and becoming more global every year. Our friends in Europe are becoming far more competitive especially in countries like Denmark, Italy, Germany and France. From the names you have mentioned only two have come through the amateur ranks in the last 6 to 8 years. I would consider McIlroy to be a special case as he's a child prodigy and that really just leaves you with Shane.

Personally I believe we can produce a lot more when he game is at its height of popularity in the country and we need to be mindful that the game is now far more global so we will now see more players coming from Asia, South America, Middle East and even Africa.

In essence my point was our best amateur players play too much links golf which imo is not for the long term benefit of their game and this should be reviewed!

I also believe one or two appropriate people in the GUI could do with travelling and seeing first hand the structures and set-ups of foreign associations to glean as much information as possible. The GUI have improved yes but in truth we are light years behind other nations.

mag

http://www.gui.ie/news_detail.asp?area=1&id=2705

The team to represent Ireland in the World Amateur Team Championship (Eisenhower Trophy) in Argentina from 29 – 31 October 2010 is:

Paul Cutler (Portstewart - pictured)
Alan Dunbar (Rathmore)
Kevin Phelan (University of North Florida)

The non-travelling reserve is Dara Lernihan (Castle) and the Irish Team Captain is Dr. Kevin Flanagan.

Paul Cutler, the highest ranked Irish player in the world at present, captured the Lytham Trophy in May and was named as Ireland’s sole representative on the St Andrews Trophy team that will take on Continental Europe later this month in Milan.

Rathmore’s Alan Dunbar lifted the Irish Amateur Open Championship in May at Royal Dublin and represented Ireland at the European Team Championship and Home Internationals this year. He also captured the Willie Gill Order of Merit award this year.

Kevin Phelan, who is attending the University of North Florida and grew up in Waterford, is ranked among the top three Irish players in the world and has enjoyed a fantastic season so far. His record in stroke play tournaments is strong having recorded 18 sub-par rounds and eight top-10 finishes in the US this year. The highlight of his year was his qualification for the US Open at Pebble Beach. He made his international debut for Ireland at the Home Internationals this year.

so phelan is being picked based on his world ranking status (144) & his form in the us strokeplay events.

seamus power is 65 places above him in the rankings, so i guess he would have been in the frame for a pick here. dunno if he played in any of the provincials/close here in 2010, hes not figured in willie gill at all.