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PW Forum KOTR Game *No Chat* Match Ups Only..

  • 12-08-2010 6:21pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭


    Rjd2
    |DUSTY RHODES
    VS |
    D2D
    | THE ROCK

    Flahavaj
    |BRUNNO SAMMARTINO
    VS |
    Voltwad
    | AJ STYLES

    MNG
    |KURT ANGLE
    VS |
    Chordtype
    | SHAWN MICHAELS

    Bounty Hunter
    | THE IRON SHEIK
    VS |
    Cactus Col
    | JEFF HARDY

    Diabhal Beag
    |THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR
    VS |
    Gerard C
    | EDGE

    Glenjamin
    |RANDY ORTON
    VS |
    Furious Red
    |ROB VAN DAM

    CM Punked
    |BOBBY "THE BRAIN" HEENAN
    VS |
    *Tripsi*
    |CHRISTIAN

    Jolt
    | GOLDBERG
    VS
    |
    IrishStevo
    | OWEN HART

    Gimmick
    | TERRY FUNK
    VS |
    Dojojoe
    |RANDY SAVAGE

    JP Liz
    |
    VS |
    Vince
    |MR PERFECT

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    ALSO LADS AFTER ALL THE 1ST ROUND MATCHES ARE FINISHED WILL YOU PLEASE PM ME YOUR CHOICES FOR THE WINNER OF EACH MATCH.. MUCHO GRACIOUS


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭irish_stevo815


    MATCHUP: Goldberg (Jolt) Vs. Owen Hart (Irish_stevo815)

    Well i guess i'll start off 2 words (& 3 letters) - Owen Hart R.I.P.

    Well Owen may never have made it to the top of the WWF by winning the Heavyweight Title, but I'm sure, and a lot of people would agree, that if the events of May 23rd 1999 had gone a little differently, we would have have witnessed Owen become a top WWF champion. When you look back at his WWF career, he manages to cpature every major Title he could - European Championship, Intercontinental Champion ship (x 2), Tag Team Titles (x 4) and of course the King of The Ring.
    He was a major player in the Tag Team division being part of the legendary Hart Foundation (albeit the second version of it), the Nation of Domination (who of course had The Great One himself, The Rock) and he teamed along side Jeff Jarrett & Yokozuna who he won Tag Titles with.

    One final thing for now, Owen didn't need tattoos, goatees, angry faces or even roles in cheesy movies (*cough* Loony Tunes Back in Action *cough*) to get over with his fans, he just had his skill, his charm and of course, his alter ego - Blue Blazer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Jolt2007


    MATCHUP: Goldberg (Jolt) Vs. Owen Hart (Irish_stevo815)

    Myself and Goldberg... Reunited and it feels so good. He was my second pick in the last draft, and with good reason. At his peak his star shone as bright as all but a few in the history of professional wrestling. That he got so big that he almost rivaled Austin in popularity is even more impressive considering the clusterfeck that was WCW at the time. His WCW title win over Hogan resulted in one of the biggest pops of all time. He didn't have the longest run at the top but I think it's safe to say he brought in more money in that short time than Owen did his entire career.

    This will be a tough match up for me though because with every year that passes nostalgia and sympathy paints Owen as greater than he was, and also with each year that passes the shear greatness and how big Goldberg was forgotten a little more. He's become unfairly remembered as a clumsy squash guy, but those squashes were more exciting to watch than most matches, and when he had to go longer, he was better than people remember. Not to say Owen is bad, but he was what he was most of his career. A good, solid midcard guy. Sure, Owen didn't need a goatee, or tattoos to get over, he needed to do things like the tragic event that ended up taking his life, and he never got near as over as Goldberg did by just pulling "angry faces".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,640 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    MATCHUP: Kurt Angle (MNG) Vs. Shawn Michaels (Chordtype)

    Argument in favour of Kurt Angle...

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    It seemed a hopeless task to have to face Shawn Michaels in this round but I guess there's no one better to face him than the man who went head to head with him in a great feud in 2005 - Kurt Angle. It's funny that even now in 2010 it seems most people feel the top two matches of the year so far were Michael's match with Taker and Angle's match with Anderson, so even 5 years after that feud the talent is still there. I find it difficult to make a case for one over the other as both are firm favourites of mine. Let's face it, all of the things one looks for in a wrestler both guys possess - in-ring skills, charisma, mic skills etc but I'll give it a shot.

    I'll make my case for Angle in the following way. Let's suppose you are a promoter and you have the choice of bringing in one of the two guys for 12 months. You have to decide who makes the biggest impact? Do you go for Michaels, or do you choose Angle? Personally I would go with Angle due to the fact that I think his qualities are more immediate and apparent than Michaels's qualities are. Let's remember it took Michaels several years to climb the ladder in the WWE whereas for Kurt success came pretty much instantly. It's been said a lot that Sheamus has had the best debut year in WWE, but for me that honour still belongs to Kurt. In his debut year Angle won the European and IC Titles, KOTR, and then the WWE Title and he did all of this during the Attitude Era with guys like The Rock, Triple H and Austin around. I'm not sure if Michaels, were he in the same situation, would have managed this.

    That's not a knock on Michaels as I believe his qualities would in the end take him to the top in any era - but I think it would take Michaels more time. I feel Kurt's qualities stand out more due to his background, and are therefore more noticeable. Michaels required help along the way to the top - from The Rockers and Sherri particularly. Kurt went straight to the top all by himself.

    In conclusion, I'll say that both guys are greats of the industry and both are capable of leading any company. I ask for Kurt to make it to the next round though on the basis that his qualities are more immediate and striking than Michael's qualities were, helping Kurt get to the top in a shorter period all by himself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Cactus Colm


    Matchup: Iron Shiek V Jeff Hardy

    The Iron Sheik at his peak was the definition of a solid wrestler. Back in the teritory days, he was even a legitimate main eventer. You knew that you could rely on him to provide a good match, a good promo, a good rivalry. But in the post teritory days solid didn't cut it. His one world title victory served only to transition the title from Bob Backlund onto hulk hogan, and he quickly resumed his place lower on the card for the rest of his career.

    Jeff Hardy on the other hand is a defining wrestler. The type of wrestler that a company could build a promotion / brand behind. Sure, his personal issues has curtailed his career, but his recent run with the WWE has just shown how well he does in the main event. Winning 3 world titles Hardy was THE FACE of Smackdown, helping elevate CM Punk and giving us some of the most entertaining wrestling in the past decade. Ooodles of talent, chockablock full of charisma, and the willingness to put everything into all his matches ensure thrils every time he steps into the ring, and really has made his lack of mic skills a non issue.

    Jeff Hardy (Global Superstar) Vs Iron Sheik (Upper Mid Card also ran) ... there's only going to be one winner (hardy)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭chordtype


    MATCHUP: Kurt Angle (MNG) Vs. Shawn Michaels (Chordtype)

    Shawn Michaels

    Much like Mr. Nice Guy, I'm finding comparing these two very difficult as both are favorites of mine.

    Shawn Michaels is, simply put the greatest wrestler of his generation. Yes he may not have the technical wrestling background of many, been as big a draw as some or been champion a record number of times but this doesn't matter. When it comes to in ring performance and entertaining an engrossing fans night in night out, nobody is better. Throughout his career he has been involved in some of the most influential matches in wrestling. His performance in the WMX ladder match paved the way in the development of that particular match. The same can be said for his Hell in the Cell match. He one of the greatest showmen in wrestling. His entrance and poses are engraved in every wrestling fans mind. However, unlike others (Hogan, Warrior etc.) his in ring performance tops this.

    His wrestling ability has been universally praised by almost everyone. From 2 Meltzer rated ***** matches to winning match of the year for most major publications for the past 3 or 4 years he has proved to be the most consistent and talented wrestler of his generation and indeed a strong candidate for all time. Few can match the sheer number of memorable matches that he has been in. On this very forum on a vote to determine some of the top matches ever Shawn had 5, joint highest. There was over 13 years between some of the matches. This level of consistency is unequalled. Nobody else can say that they have had 12 of the best matches at Wrestlemania.

    At the end of the day few people in 10 years will remember that Kurt Angle won the European and IC titles during his first year in the WWF but they will remember Shawn Michaels taking on the Undertaker at Wrestlemania. They will remember Shawn Michaels doing the splash of the ladder to Razor Ramon. They will remember him falling to his knees after beating Bret Hart. Nobody has left wrestling fans with so many great memories and entertained them for so long and this is why he deserves to go through to the next round. His matches and memories are timeless.


    As much as I enjoy watching Kurt Angle wrestle I do feel that he has some problems with his work. I don't think it's that outrageous to say he is only a couple of levels above a spot monkey. His pacing of matches leaves a lot to be desired. 0f course it's cool to see a guy who goes balls out every night and only knows how to work on 5th gear but this does cause problems after a while. His body has taken an awful beating and he should really consider calling it a day. When I watch wrestling I want to know that both guys will entertain me but come out at the end of the day safe and sound. Watching some Kurt Angle matches I do not get this feeling. Some of the stuff that he does, while entertaining also makes me cringe and this is not why I watch wrestling.
    His best matches have been against guys who are better workers than him. His matches with Benoit and Michaels are classics thanks in a large part to the work of his opponents who help with the pacing and psychology. To say that Kurt went straight to the top all by himself just doesn't ring true to me. He was greatly helped by the fact that he was put in feuds and matches with stars like the Rock, Steve Austin, Triple H and Benoit. Most new guys don't get to perform with stars on their levels that quick. Michaels didn't but he still managed to make it to the level of an all time great.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,640 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    I'll use my 1 reply now. I disagree with a lot of what was said against Kurt Angle.
    chordtype wrote: »
    At the end of the day few people in 10 years will remember that Kurt Angle won the European and IC titles during his first year in the WWF but they will remember Shawn Michaels taking on the Undertaker at Wrestlemania. They will remember Shawn Michaels doing the splash of the ladder to Razor Ramon. They will remember him falling to his knees after beating Bret Hart. Nobody has left wrestling fans with so many great memories and entertained them for so long and this is why he deserves to go through to the next round. His matches and memories are timeless.

    OK this is a very flawed analogy. Angle winning the European and IC titles aren't some of his most memorable moments whereas chordtype has listed off Michael's. Be fair! :pac:

    Let's mention Angle doing the moonsault off the cage against Benoit, throwing Shane McMahon threw the glass at KOTR, making Michaels tap out to the ankle-lock, wrestling a great match with a severely damaged neck against Brock Lesnar, his match with Eddie where he lost by pulling off Eddie's boot. Of course all these moments will be remembered in ten years and are as equally timeless as those of Michaels.
    chordtype wrote:
    As much as I enjoy watching Kurt Angle wrestle I do feel that he has some problems with his work. I don't think it's that outrageous to say he is only a couple of levels above a spot monkey. His pacing of matches leaves a lot to be desired. 0f course it's cool to see a guy who goes balls out every night and only knows how to work on 5th gear but this does cause problems after a while.

    As I've said before I don't like this argument against Angle, but if you're going to use it, it's ridiculous to do so when you're arguing for Shawn Michaels. For many years Michaels was criticised by fans for being a spot monkey, lacking 'psychology' and not knowing how to adapt to other wrestlers. Bret Hart for example slated Michaels for how he worked Diesel at Wrestlemania and claimed he made him look bad by going balls out and winning over the crowd. If you're going to bash Kurt on this basis (which I disagree with) then you have to do it for Michaels too.
    chordtype wrote:
    His body has taken an awful beating and he should really consider calling it a day. When I watch wrestling I want to know that both guys will entertain me but come out at the end of the day safe and sound. Watching some Kurt Angle matches I do not get this feeling. Some of the stuff that he does, while entertaining also makes me cringe and this is not why I watch wrestling.

    Again I think this argument could be applied to Michaels in the late nineties. He was popping pills as a result of his balls out approach to wrestling and nearly left the game for good due to his bad back as a result of crazy bump taking. You can't slate Kurt for this and give Michaels a pass.
    chordtype wrote:
    His best matches have been against guys who are better workers than him.

    Rubbish! Is Shane McMahon a better worker than him? The Undertaker? This is a daft argument to make. As noted in my last post he is in contention for match of the year due to a match with Ken Anderson. Are you saying Anderson is a better worker than him too?
    chordtype wrote:
    His matches with Benoit and Michaels are classics thanks in a large part to the work of his opponents who help with the pacing and psychology. To say that Kurt went straight to the top all by himself just doesn't ring true to me. He was greatly helped by the fact that he was put in feuds and matches with stars like the Rock, Steve Austin, Triple H and Benoit. Most new guys don't get to perform with stars on their levels that quick. Michaels didn't but he still managed to make it to the level of an all time great.

    This view doesn't add up. Benoit was not a star really at that time. After all, he would stay in midcard way longer than Kurt did. As for Rock, Angle's first real feud with Rock was when he took the title from him so I don't think Rock helped him significantly. He didn't get involved with Austin until after he had won the WWE Title so Austin didn't help him get to the top at all. What got Angle to the top was terrific in-ring ability, exceptional mic skills for a guy in his rookie year, and a great character that the fans loved to hate. Michaels it must be said didn't help his own cause much by the way he acted and both him and Jannetty getting themselves fired by Vince for the way they behaved.

    Overall I don't think chordtype has disproven what I said about Angle - he got to the top quicker than Michaels did, and by his own ability. Michaels required assistance and took that bit longer. I believe the cream always rises to the top but Angle's rise was way more immediate than Michael's was, and I put it to you all that it is because Angle possesses something an innate quality unique to him that marks him out as that tiny bit more special. :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR vs EDGE
    We all know the Ultimate Warrior is the better man. He has left a legacy in the wrestling world. A man who symbolised how a lot of us got into wrestling. He was big and strong. He stood out from the crowd. That's something that Edge lacks. He looks like every skinny guy that ever lived. Sure he had a great character. Now he's just horrible. That face turn killed all his heelishness. He is going to be remembered for being in the Edge and Christian tag-team more than being a good champion. His spear is terrible. I can never believe some skinny guy going for a spear could finish off even a jobber. I won't deny how great a heel Edge was but he won't be remembered as well as Warrior.

    Warrior is one of the most instantly recognisable wrestlers ever. The bulked-up physique and the long hair. The arm bands and the wacky nature of his character was immense. His running to the ring drove crowds crazy and built up a big atmosphere. You also have to remember his legacy. Batista copied his shaking the ropes. One of his better qualities :pac: London and Kendrick were once a great tag team. They copied his cool boot covers and his running to the ring. His power ups when he was being punched were also great.

    Warrior has given us more fun than Edge. His big rant on how "Queering" doesn't make the world work made huge headlines. We all had a chuckle at his expense. It was his finest moment in terms of comedy. He was truly a crazy man. Living the gimmick you might say. One of the great personas of his era. He couldn't even wrestle and he still got over huge. Sure he might never be in ROH or Noah but I'd take an interesting character over a dull one anyday. Ted DiBiase Jr. is a decent wrestler. He has 0 charisma.

    Keep on Runnin through the KOTR Warrior. A Titan amongst Legends.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭chordtype


    OK this is a very flawed analogy. Angle winning the European and IC titles aren't some of his most memorable moments whereas chordtype has listed off Michael's. Be fair! :pac:

    Let's mention Angle doing the moonsault off the cage against Benoit, throwing Shane McMahon threw the glass at KOTR, making Michaels tap out to the ankle-lock, wrestling a great match with a severely damaged neck against Brock Lesnar, his match with Eddie where he lost by pulling off Eddie's boot. Of course all these moments will be remembered in ten years and are as equally timeless as those of Michaels.


    Those were some of the points that you brought up. Of course people will remember some of Kurt's achievements but these all occurred with a span of about 5-6 years, which is impressive in it's own way. However, some of those that I mentioned for Shawn have 15 years between them. I don't think we will be seeing Kurt having many more memorable moments in 2015. He may have risen to the top quickly but because of this he has put his body at risk and has shortened his career. Michaels in terms of an overall career has been a better performer than Angle and has achieved much more than Angle did in my opinion.


    As I've said before I don't like this argument against Angle, but if you're going to use it, it's ridiculous to do so when you're arguing for Shawn Michaels. For many years Michaels was criticised by fans for being a spot monkey, lacking 'psychology' and not knowing how to adapt to other wrestlers. Bret Hart for example slated Michaels for how he worked Diesel at Wrestlemania and claimed he made him look bad by going balls out and winning over the crowd. If you're going to bash Kurt on this basis (which I disagree with) then you have to do it for Michaels too.


    That match with Shane McMahon could be used as a good example of what Kurt is lacking. That match is nothing more than a spottiest. There was no psychology in that match. Compare this to the Shawn Michael and Undertaker Hell in the Cell match. Yes, the match had some crazy spots in it but they also told a story and had great psychology. Kurt and Shane had a match going from spot to spot. In my opinion this is Kurt Angles downfall. It's either balls out or nothing. Yes some of Michael's may have been by some to be a spot monkey during the early 90's but over time he has adapted and learned to work a style which was still over with the crowd and allowed him to continue wrestling at a high level into his 40's. He pulled out the big moves on the big stages and made the match feel special. He has adapted with age. Angle, I fell has not done this. He did the moonsault off the top of the cage in 2001 and he did it again in 2010. Difference is that is 2010 both his knees are shot and his body is broken down. Yes you can call it gutsy but in a way everybody must admit that it was extremely stupid (and dangerous).

    Overall I don't think chordtype has disproven what I said about Angle - he got to the top quicker than Michaels did, and by his own ability. Michaels required assistance and took that bit longer. I believe the cream always rises to the top but Angle's rise was way more immediate than Michael's was, and I put it to you all that it is because Angle possesses something an innate quality unique to him that marks him out as that tiny bit more special. :cool:

    The fact that Kurt came into the WWF as an Olympic gold medalist was obviously a head start to a push which no one else was likely to receive. Yes he is crazy talented and achieved a lot in a quick time frame. However, I believe that through this quick rise Angle missed out on the learning opportunities that curtain jerking gains you as a wrestler. Things like selling, pacing and ring psychology are all things that Shawn excels at while I feel that Kurt is lacking in some of these.

    As for him not working with guys like Rock or Stone Cold until after he was a star I'm gonna disagree with that. You say that "Angle's first real feud with Rock was when he took the title from him so I don't think Rock helped him significantly." The fact that he was in a feud with the Rock and he won the title from the Rock is clearly gonna help establish him as a star. If he had of won his first world title from someone like Jericho it would not have helped him as much. The Rock was a massive guy and being associated with him in a feud was something that not a lot of guys got the opportunity to do so quickly into their careers. All the credit in the world for Angle for getting to that point but he was helped out by the level of guys that he was booked with. Michaels did not have this opportunity and had to rise through the ranks as relatively small guy who did not have the benefit of entering wrestling with an olympic medal.

    Yes you may be right in saying that Angle got to the top quicker and that Michaels took longer but the experiences that Michaels gained along the way helped him to become the wrestler that he was. Call my cynical but nobody rises to the top in wrestling without assistance. While Angle may not have had the time as a tag team wrestler or had a manager/valet this does not mean that Shawn Michaels should be penalised for having done so, especially considering at both of these times tag teams were still popular and having a manager was a common occurrence. I don't feel that rising to the top quickly should have as much emphasis put on it. We could all point out dozens of wrestlers who we feel that haven't got the opportunities that they deserve. The fact is that Kurt Angle was given these opportunities at the start of his career. Shawn Michaels wasn't as worked over time to become the greatest wrestler of his generation. He was one of the best of the 90's and the 00's and such longevity should be applauded.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Match Up: Terry Funk (gimmick) Vs Randy Savage (Dojojoe)

    Terry Funk is a "wrestler" who does not know when to quit.

    Despite the longevity of his career, he will be primarily remembered for his excessive hardcore junk style in the latter stages of his time in the ring. An inspiration to backyarders everywhere. Think Mick Foley, but even less talented.

    Sorry, thats all I can say about that waste of space.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Gerard.C


    Edge vs The Ultimate Warrior

    In all honesty, I dont think there is much point in comparing Edge to this useless lump. Edge has been the backbone of the WWE for the last few years. He has been the lad Vince had gone to time and time again to ensure quality programming is being put on his show.

    The Ultimate Warrior is not a very talented person. In fact, he was a bit shite. If he was on the irish roads, the road safety authority would be all over him - he was an accident waiting to happen. Edge is like a good reliable pasat. Sure, it could look better, and could go a bit faster, but you never see a pasat wrote off after flying over a ditch into a field. Edge is the kind of car you would take out insurance on. The Ultimate Warrior is the kind of car you would sell for parts, and you'd be delighted to get rid of him too because he was only taking up space out the back, and the young lad was allergic to the rust on him.

    As for your point about Warriors physique - its like the old saying "you can put make up on a dog, but its still a dog". Warrior could take all the steroids he wanted, he still couldnt wrestle. I would imagine you or most people here would have a hard time naming 5 good Ultimate Warrior matches in his entire career. Edge has had that many good matches with John Cena alone.

    The best comparison I can make to really highlight the quality difference between Edge and the Warrior is the following. Edge is like Lar Corbett. Lar has been a vital cog in the Tipp panel since our last year of glory in 2001. He is always reliable and will give it his all every single time. Sure he has had a bad game or two, but when the light is shining that brightly on you for that long, you're bound to get a bit blinded by it every now and then. Warrior is Dan Shanahan - someone brought on in the last 10 minutes to get the eejits (and flahavaj) in the crowd to bawl and shout. He had one good year, and that year is but a far distant memory.

    When Larry Corbett is putting balls over the bar for fun on Sunday, you will think of the backbone of the team - the underdog at times, the star at others. You will think of Edge. When Dan Shanahan is scratching his bollix for 60 minutes on Sunday, you will think of a small few relatively succesful days gone by, but those days are long gone, and you will see a shadow of a man sitting next to Ken McGrath and Jamie Nagle. You will think of The Ultimate Warrior.

    Go raibh mile maith agat, mo chairde


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    In all honesty, I dont think there is much point in comparing Edge to this useless lump. Edge has been the backbone of the WWE for the last few years. He has been the lad Vince had gone to time and time again to ensure quality programming is being put on his show.
    No he hasn't. Cena has. The only time Vince wanted him to lead the WWE he cut the rug from underneath him in 2006.
    The Ultimate Warrior is not a very talented person. In fact, he was a bit shite. If he was on the irish roads, the road safety authority would be all over him - he was an accident waiting to happen. Edge is like a good reliable pasat. Sure, it could look better, and could go a bit faster, but you never see a pasat wrote off after flying over a ditch into a field. Edge is the kind of car you would take out insurance on. The Ultimate Warrior is the kind of car you would sell for parts, and you'd be delighted to get rid of him too because he was only taking up space out the back, and the young lad was allergic to the rust on him.
    Passats are often in crashes. I'd compare Edge to an Opel Corsa. They are of poor structure but they have character. They break down often like Edge and are left in the garage for a few months. In the meantime the owner has moved on into looking at another car like a Mondeo or a Corolla. The Opel is forgotten in the grand scheme of things.
    As for your point about Warriors physique - its like the old saying "you can put make up on a dog, but its still a dog". Warrior could take all the steroids he wanted, he still couldnt wrestle. I would imagine you or most people here would have a hard time naming 5 good Ultimate Warrior matches in his entire career. Edge has had that many good matches with John Cena alone.
    Do kids get into wrestling for good matches? No. Just us smarks. The kids and casual fans want to see something special. They want to see somebody who looks different. That is what Warrior is. Unique.
    The best comparison I can make to really highlight the quality difference between Edge and the Warrior is the following. Edge is like Lar Corbett. Lar has been a vital cog in the Tipp panel since our last year of glory in 2001. He is always reliable and will give it his all every single time. Sure he has had a bad game or two, but when the light is shining that brightly on you for that long, you're bound to get a bit blinded by it every now and then. Warrior is Dan Shanahan - someone brought on in the last 10 minutes to get the eejits (and flahavaj) in the crowd to bawl and shout. He had one good year, and that year is but a far distant memory.
    Dan Shanahan is the one who will be remembered. Nobody gives a **** about Lar. They like the Eoin Kelly's and the Callanans. Lar constantly under-performs. He once went two years without a stand-out performance. In that time Dan Shanahan was winning Munster titles and getting to All-Ireland finals.
    When Larry Corbett is putting balls over the bar for fun on Sunday, you will think of the backbone of the team - the underdog at times, the star at others. You will think of Edge. When Dan Shanahan is scratching his bollix for 60 minutes on Sunday, you will think of a small few relatively succesful days gone by, but those days are long gone, and you will see a shadow of a man sitting next to Ken McGrath and Jamie Nagle. You will think of The Ultimate Warrior.
    Just like Dan there's life in the Warrior yet. He will no doubt be put in the Hall of Fame soon. Edge will have to wait another few decades to get the spotlight.

    Few can reach the popularity of the Ultimate Warrior. He's one of those wrestlers that even non-wrestling fans know. I don't think anybody outside wrestling knows who the other Edge is. Sure the guy in U2. There's another Edge?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Gerard.C


    No he hasn't. Cena has. The only time Vince wanted him to lead the WWE he cut the rug from underneath him in 2006.

    Every good face needs a good heel. At that time, Edge was the hottest heel in the WWE and arguably wrestling. It is fair to say that he helped get Cena to another level with the whole Money in the Bank story, as that was the hottest angle in wretling at that time and the ratings proved it. That and we got to see Edge getting the spin off Lita after it.
    Passats are often in crashes. I'd compare Edge to an Opel Corsa. They are of poor structure but they have character. They break down often like Edge and are left in the garage for a few months. In the meantime the owner has moved on into looking at another car like a Mondeo or a Corolla. The Opel is forgotten in the grand scheme of things.

    But once the owner gets the phone call from John saying the Corsa is ready to go again, he is more than willing to drive it again as he knows that it can drive up their with the finest of them, even on off days. And even if the owner did move onto a Mondeo (my father wrote off a mondeo once - off topic, but it was funny) or a Corolla, he will NEVER move onto the rusted up junk car out the back that went for one or two good drives in its day. That is where the warrior stays - out the back, being forgotton about. And even if he does beep his horn nowadays, nobody really cares and its kinda sad.
    Do kids get into wrestling for good matches? No. Just us smarks. The kids and casual fans want to see something special. They want to see somebody who looks different. That is what Warrior is. Unique.

    Do kids stay kids forever? No. They will realise sooner rather than later that Warrior cant wrestle. Edge has a character that intrigues kids too. He still gets one of the loudest ovations on Raw every week nowaday, depsite being in a down time as you said yourself.
    Dan Shanahan is the one who will be remembered. Nobody gives a **** about Lar. They like the Eoin Kelly's and the Callanans. Lar constantly under-performs. He once went two years without a stand-out performance. In that time Dan Shanahan was winning Munster titles and getting to All-Ireland finals.

    Lar has an All Ireland medal. Dan doesnt. Even if Dan is more widely remembered, it will be for one season. Lar was the driving force in us getting to the final last year. Plenty of people give a **** about Lar. He is some man. So is Edge.
    Just like Dan there's life in the Warrior yet. He will no doubt be put in the Hall of Fame soon. Edge will have to wait another few decades to get the spotlight.

    Few can reach the popularity of the Ultimate Warrior. He's one of those wrestlers that even non-wrestling fans know. I don't think anybody outside wrestling knows who the other Edge is. Sure the guy in U2. There's another Edge?

    There is no life left in the Warrior yet. Maybe if he could be brought on as a sub, like Dan, but that isnt possible. His legacy will go down as his self destruction dvd. The only reason Edge will have to wait to go in the HOF is that he is young. If he was a fossil like Warrior he would already be in it. It will be desperation by WWE to put Warrior in, as they clearly have no time for him. He already has a much better CV than the Warrior ever will, and there is plenty of petrol left in Edges tank yet bai


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    Matchup: Iron Shiek V Jeff Hardy

    The Iron Sheik at his peak was the definition of a solid wrestler. Back in the teritory days, he was even a legitimate main eventer. You knew that you could rely on him to provide a good match, a good promo, a good rivalry. But in the post teritory days solid didn't cut it. His one world title victory served only to transition the title from Bob Backlund onto hulk hogan, and he quickly resumed his place lower on the card for the rest of his career.

    Jeff Hardy on the other hand is a defining wrestler. The type of wrestler that a company could build a promotion / brand behind. Sure, his personal issues has curtailed his career, but his recent run with the WWE has just shown how well he does in the main event. Winning 3 world titles Hardy was THE FACE of Smackdown, helping elevate CM Punk and giving us some of the most entertaining wrestling in the past decade. Ooodles of talent, chockablock full of charisma, and the willingness to put everything into all his matches ensure thrils every time he steps into the ring, and really has made his lack of mic skills a non issue.

    Jeff Hardy (Global Superstar) Vs Iron Sheik (Upper Mid Card also ran) ... there's only going to be one winner (hardy)
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    I will make you Humble

    So I'm up against that Jabroni Jeff Hardy eh? Atleast it isnt that ****** Brian Blair but why do people even like Hardy? the man who thinks testing positive is good, Id f*ck that creature of the night right up Hulk Hogan style, cos Hogan was a Bitch and so is Hardy. He doesent even have any medicine for me F*cking buull****, im not hollywood but im the champion, a real champion an olympic gold medal wrestling champion... so F*CK you Jeff Hardy.

    Compared to me Jeff you are a punk motherf*cking piece of **** just like Brian Blair, the only reason you had a job in the WWF is you sucked Hulk Hogans dick way back when, you wouldent have the balls to take me on, hell you wouldent even give me a lil bit of your coke, no you wouldent spread it around, so im going to make you humble you lil cocksucking Jabroni. Your tag team with your overweight brother is nothing, nothing compared to me and the great Nikoli Volkoff even if he didnt give the wheelchair man two dollars, and you know why? Because I'm the man! Because for God and Jesus and Mr. McMahon know that all you no good son of bitches are nothing but pieces of **** compared to me. Jeff you even make Scott hall look good, you too are nothing but wasted talent, you make a jackoff of yourself you jabroni piece of garbage and I could beat the f*ck out of you with the bottom of my little finger. I will suplex you, put you in the camel clutch f*ck your ass and make you humble!

    f*ck you and f*ck your future, have a good day.

    Your Sheiky
    * Century Wrestling Alliance
    o CWA Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

    * Georgia Championship Wrestling
    o NWA National Television Championship (1 time)

    * International Association of Wrestling
    o IAW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
    o IAW Tag Team Championship (3 times) – with Brian Costello

    * Maple Leaf Wrestling
    o NWA Canadian Heavyweight Championship (Toronto version) (2 times)

    * Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling
    o NWA Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

    * NWA All-Star Wrestling
    o NWA Canadian Tag Team Championship (Vancouver version) (1 time) – with The Texas Outlaw

    * National Wrestling Alliance
    o NWA Hall of Fame (Class of 2008)

    * NWA New Zealand
    o NWA New Zealand British Commonwealth Championship (1 time)

    * NWA 2000
    o NWA 2000 American Heritage Championship (1 time)

    * Pacific Northwest Wrestling
    o NWA Pacific Northwest Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Bull Ramos

    * Pro Wrestling Illustrated
    o PWI ranked him #134 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the "PWI Years" in 2003
    o PWI ranked him #96 of the 100 best tag teams of the "PWI Years" with the Nikolai Volkoff in 2003

    * World Wrestling Federation / World Wrestling Entertainment
    o WWF Championship (1 time)
    o WWF Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Nikolai Volkoff
    o WWE Hall of Fame (Class of 2005)

    * Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
    o Most Underrated Wrestler (1980)


  • Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gimmick wrote: »
    Match Up: Terry Funk (gimmick) Vs Randy Savage (Dojojoe)

    Terry Funk is a "wrestler" who does not know when to quit.

    Despite the longevity of his career, he will be primarily remembered for his excessive hardcore junk style in the latter stages of his time in the ring. An inspiration to backyarders everywhere. Think Mick Foley, but even less talented.

    Sorry, thats all I can say about that waste of space.

    Randy Savage is one of the most colourful characters in and out of the ring. Named the greatest champion of all time for bringing "A higher level of credibility to the title through his amazing in ring performances". His performances have only highlighted his in ring style. Aside from his appearance and wrestling ability, Savage's feuds are equally memorable. Feuds with people such as Tito Santana, Bruno Sammartino and Hulk Hogan. He is responsible for some of the best matches in history such as his match with Ricky Steamboat at Wrestlemania 3. He then had feuds with Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair and Jake Roberts. He joined WCW in 1994 and was relegated to the role of Colour Commentator to try to highlight his charisma. He left soon after. He had a sporadic run in TNA but left due to health concerns. With Savage being only 57 the door may be open for a veteran return to the WWE. With his action figures and DVD releases he may be in favour with Vince McMahon once again.

    OOH YEAH!


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 15,578 Mod ✭✭✭✭Furious-Red


    Rob Van Dam vs Randy Orton

    Well what more can be said about the Whole F'n Show ......Rob Van Dam. He was one of the biggest stars to come out of ECW. He has always been over with the fans due to his laid back attitude and off the hook matches.He is the only person to have held the WWE Championship , ECW World Championship and the TNA World Championship . This isnt the first time RVD has faced Orton , they had a great rivalry over the Intercontinental Championship. During his time with wwe he spent a lot of time in the IC division and also winning the Tag Titles with Mysterio,Booker T & Kane. After leaving the wwe in 2007 he went to work on the Indie circuit and even held the AWR/NLW Heavyweight Championship before signing with TNA. Since his arrival in TNA he has become the World Champion and has had great matches with Aj and Jeff Hardy .

    What this KOTR tournament needs is a massive dose of Mr Monday Night RVD who will beat any person in his way because he is the WHOLE F'N Show

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭glenjamin


    Randy Orton - The Future of the World Wrestling Entertainment

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    Orton came into the WWE with a huge reputation to follow as a third generation superstar. In that time not only has he lived up to expectations but he has exceeded them. Considered today as the future of the WWE Orton already has many accolades to his name such as a 6 time World Champion, the youngest ever World Champion and a Royal Rumble win in 2009. But at 30 years old Orton’s still got his best years ahead of him.

    'The Viper' has already been a part of one of the biggest factions to come out of the WWE in Evolution and went on to become the leader of another famous faction - Legacy, and in turn become one of the greatest heels in wrestling in recent years. Since then he’s turned face which a lot of people said would be a bad idea considering how well he’s done as the top heel in the company for the last few years. But arguably his face character has become even better. It seems like Vince is trying to turn Orton into the next Stone Cold Steve Austin by having Orton as a popular but very dangerous guy who shouldn’t be trusted at the same time. Although he’s somewhat off Austin’s popularity he’s the only superstar at the moment who looks capable of getting a bigger pop than the children’s favourite, and face of the company, John Cena gets. And in my opinion if Orton keeps going about things the way he has he will soon become the face of the WWE and may even give Austin a run for his money.

    Things are looking bright now for Orton. And it’s only a matter of time before the Legend Killer becomes the Legend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭*tripsi*


    Christian VS Bobby Heenan

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    Heenan, a man famed for his managing work. How can he compare to a wrestler as diverse and distinguished as Christian?? Well simply put, he can’t. A wrestler that helped sculpt the modern era of wrestling along with other superstars like Jeff Hardy and Edge. He is, in my opinion, one of WWE’s finest assets and most underutilised wrestlers. Every opportunity this man gets (not many in WWE) he excels in.

    Many thought Christian would fade into obscurity once edge and him dismantled, that was not the case. Christian took initiative and grabbed the bull by the horns so to say and became one fine heel. In his rivalry with Edge it was believed that Edge would outshine his ‘brother’ but that was not the case, in reality, Christian over came the odds and cemented his place in the company as a singles star. He worked to his strengths and had a tremendous feud with Chris Jericho also which led to a match at Mania.

    When booking wasn’t in his favour and he knew things were turning sour, Christian once again took initiative and decided to leave the corporate machine that is WWE and try his hand elsewhere. Christian, being the first notable WWE superstar to jump ship to TNA, became one of the biggest stars the company has ever had. He is a daring wrestler and knew championship success was not on the cards in WWE, so he went elsewhere. This was undoubtedly the smartest move of his career.

    Then he took a chance in 2008 and came back to the most profitable wrestling company in the world. Only to be dumped on the almost extinct ECW. It was clear Vince didn’t want him anywhere near the ‘Jeff Hardy attack’ plot and instead mindlessly threw Matt Hardy in the mix, only to have it become an EPIC FAIL! This was Vince’s ego getting in the way once again. We all know Christian would have been and excellent choice for the role, Matt Hardy was one of the most over fellas in the company yet they tried to kill that fan base and turn him into a psychotic fool who tried to kill his own flesh and blood, of course after mania WWE chickened out and turned the guy face AGAIN, in turn, leaving his loyal fan base scratching their heads in dismay. It’s clear to anyone with half a brain that Christian (a long time rival of Jeff) would have been the superior choice.

    Even though Vince shafted Christian and dumped him on ECW, Christian proved him wrong and did his very best to keep the show alive. And that’s exactly what he did. Until the last ever show where they had him loose to Ezekiel Jackson. Another cheap move by Vince.

    I think it’s clear that in every opportunity and role, Christian has delivered. The ONLY thing bringing him down is fact that he doesn’t have friends in high places like McIntyre or Sheamus.

    Bobby Heenan was most well known for his managing. It’s true. It’s an undisputable and undeniable fact. Wrestling was never his forte. He will always be remembered for his antics as the manager not for his performances in a wrestling ring. That’s where his weakness lies. Christian has shone in every role and area and in turn is more of a well rounded star. I look forward to your post in favour of ‘The brain’. Good luck ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89,029 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Vince McMahon V Mr. Perfect

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    Vince McMahon - the Kenny McCormick of WWE!

    Wrestler, Owner, Announcer, Commentator, Film Producer, Former WWE World Champion, Royal Rumble winner and biggest and best heel in WWE not to mention part of one of the best feud evers with Stone Cold Steve Austin, Kiss My Ass Club President. He made the the WWE the most successful wrestling promotion and biggest in the world. It could also be argued that he helped build up and make the legends that is Bret, HBK, HHH, The Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin to name a few. He has probably put more people over than any other person in WWE history.

    Sometimes the perfect plex and Heenan as your manager isnt enough :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,600 ✭✭✭✭CMpunked


    4903630

    Argument in favor of
    Bobby 'The Brain' Heenan!
    Originally when i got Bobby as a pick i was happy, thought i got one of the biggest and most successful managers ever to grace a wrestling ring.

    But then i was matched up against a wrestler, christian. And i started to feel like i was having to rethink my strategy, even perhaps ask for a re pick..

    But then i said no, The Brain is one of the greats, a certified and well deserved bona-fide classic example of the golden age of wrestling.


    So therefore i will argue my points across not based the same as a wrestler but as the qualities of a wrestling LEGEND, which Mr Heenan is without question.

    1. Bobby Heenan; Manager.

    Wrestling managers have many duties, which include generating heat,(or pops) from the crowd, getting involved with matches, for good or bad, and being "The voice" of the wrestler when its needed.

    Bobby Heenan excelled in each of these categories, he could generate heat for some of the most hated wrestlers and in his quick reactions and come backs to fans chants coining him the name 'The Brain'.
    Because more often than not, he became the brains of the operation.

    It says something when some of the greatest names in wrestlings history were accompanied to the ring, wrestlers such as:
    Nick Bockwinkel, Andre the giant, Rick Rude, Ric Flair, Big John Studd, Curt Henning, The million dollar man; Ted DiBiase, Jesse the body ventura.
    (Thats some list of hall of famers ;))

    But not only hall of famers have gotten the privilege to have their backs covered.
    Some more recent wrestlers, such as Colt Cabanna, Nigel McGuiness and even CM Punk, have shared the spotlight more recently, in ROH.

    here is an example of 'The Brain' at work:


    He's captivating, he's funny, but also gets his point across.
    (i concur this isnt a manager promo, but it leads nicely into my next point:

    He wasnt a cowardly heel, he could talk the talk with confidence when he had to.
    He knew wrestling skill and showed it off in the ring when he had to.

    But there was also another element of Mr. Heenan's career..

    2. Commentator

    In 1993, an astounding 33 years after his debut with AWA, Bobby Heenan wouldve been forgiven if he wanted to retire at the age of 47 and walk away from the wrestling world, but oh no, he had more to give.

    WCW made him an offer to become one of his previous proteges, Jesse the body venturas replacement behind the commentary desk.

    Personally this is my favourite part of heenans career, he was quick on the mic, and he wasnt short of comments that seemed to be always fresh and coined the phrase 'Ham and eggers' when in reference to the jobbers.


    In his illustrious and lengthy career, spanning a great 40 years, he has easily become referred to as a wrestling LEGEND, and rightly so.

    This was how i chose to compare him to christian, not on in ring abilities or as how many championships were won, but how well the two respective careers are in the field of wrestling entertainment.

    And in my humble opinion, Bobby the brain has far outshone Christian with his 40 years experience against christians generic 15 year career.

    And if you needed any more convincing, PWI called him manager of the year in the years of (1972, 1976, 1989, 1991).
    Nearly 20 years between the first and his fourth.

    And as an added bonus, some GREAT Brain quotes for your enjoyment..
    Tony Schiavone: "That's one of the tings that makes this sport great."
    Bobby Heenan: "No I'm one of the things that makes this sport great!"

    (Referring to Tony Schiavone)
    "That's "The Brain" right there. -And that's the other part of the anatomy"



    "Is everyone from Texas nuts, or are we just lucky to see the ones we do?"


    Tony Schiavone: "Pardon me."
    Bobby Heenan: "I'm not the governor."



    Gorilla Monsoon: "He might have some relatives here. He's looking around."
    Bobby Heenan: "He's looking for the exit: the quick way out."


    "Kidman's like a broken drum: hard to beat."


    "You don't need a vacuum cleaner out here: he's cleaning house himself."


    (Talking about Hulk Hogan and pyrotechnics)
    "At least he doesn't have to worry about his hair catching on fire."



    Tony Schiavone: "Don't try this in your backyard."
    Bobby Heenan: "Do it in your living room, it is much more fun. Or maybe in Tony's living room, he'll never know."



    "Stu Hart trained all his kids--only three of them use the litter box."



    (after Juventud Guerrera took off his mask)
    "Maybe that's Okerlund under there?" and later. . .
    "Now when he delivers pizza, everyone will know who he is."

    (Talking about the Narcissist Lex Luger's elbow)
    "He's had more hits than Elvis."
    (if you want more, and lets be honest, who wouldnt..
    http://www.pwwew.net/quotes/heenan.htm)

    :):):):):)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭waltersobchak


    Everyone has until this time tomorrow to either post their response and or vote on each match up or else face the likelihood of an early exit from the competition


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,391 ✭✭✭D2D


    The Rock vs. Dusty Rhodes

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    Tbh, I'm so happy to get The Rock. Why?? Well, The Rock can be credited as 1 of the faces of the Attitude era. Hell, Rock of one of the most recognizable faces in WWE history. Even today, people still want The Rock involved in WWE in anyway (Raw guest host, have a match etc....). Imho, to have The Rock's name still being brought up today says a lot about him.

    Rock is probably the best to cut promo's in the wrestling business. Whether he's a face......

    Dailymotion link

    .....as a heel



    .....or just in general



    ..... no one can beat the Rock on promos. But, it's not just on promo's where he's good, look at the following..
    Pro Wrestling Illustrated
    PWI Match of the Year (1999) vs. Mankind in an "I Quit" match at Royal Rumble
    PWI Match of the Year (2002) vs. Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania X8
    PWI Most Popular Wrestler of the Year (1999, 2000)
    PWI Wrestler of the Year (2000)
    PWI ranked him #2 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the year in the PWI 500 in 2000

    United States Wrestling Association
    USWA World Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Bart Sawyer

    World Wrestling Federation / World Wrestling Entertainment
    WCW World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
    WWF/E Championship (7 times)
    WWF Intercontinental Championship (2 times)
    WWF Tag Team Championship (5 times) – with Mankind (3), The Undertaker (1), and Chris Jericho (1)
    Royal Rumble (2000)
    Slammy Award for New Sensation (1997)
    Sixth Triple Crown Champion

    Wrestling Observer Newsletter
    Best Box Office Draw (2000)
    Best Gimmick (1999)
    Best on Interviews (1999, 2000)
    Most Charismatic (1999–2002)
    Most Improved (1998)
    Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame (Class of 2007)

    These are all of Rock's accomplishments to show the Rock can back up on what he says. 3 classic matches against "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, matches against HHH, Hogan, Y2J, Taker, Mankind which lead to the eventual build of the "Rock 'n' Sock" connection, the Rock has taken on them all.

    There's a reason why The Rock has earned the nickname "The Great One", "The People's Champion" and "The Most Electrifying Man in Sports Entertainment", he's just that good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,045 ✭✭✭Vince135792003


    KOTR: Vince McMahon versus Mr. Perfect



    This is the King of the Ring and based upon that Mr. Perfect wins this hands down.

    Mr. Perfect is the best WWF champion there never was.

    He was at his peak at a time when no heel was ever going to win the belt and hold it for very long, the era of Hulkamania and had it not been for a bank injury in the 90's I believe he would have been given the belt.

    At his peak, there was no one better in the WWF at that time. Played his character to perfection, talked brilliantly on the mic, exuded charisma and backed it up in the ring with some brilliant matches in which his talent stood out by a mile particularly his acrobatic bump taking.

    In any even if this was the King of Business Vince McMahon would not be the king of that either. What's he ever done !?!?

    He failed in the XFL big time.
    He failed in his body building promotion.
    He's been executive producer of about 10 films and none of of them are watchable.


    All Vince ever proved that with a boat load of money, he could run his fathers business nationally......albeit nearly into the ground in 1997!~!

    Vince McMahon believes he is the King of the wrestling business....even though he hates using the word! No man who takes shame in the word wrestling should be crowned King of it.

    This is a contest for the wrestlers not the king of carney!

    Perfect for King!~~!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Biggest mismatch of the ntire round by a long way. Bruno was the greatest champion in the history of pro wrestling.

    Until hogan came along he was the biggest name in the history of the sport and was world champion for a stunning 11 years, inclusing the longest runing single title reign ever, a record that never will be broken (8 years). Heheadlined more cards at Madsion Square Garden than any other and sold it out a ridiculous 187 times. He is one of if not the biggets draw of all time. He was basically a licence to print money for any promoter luckey enough to have him on their card.

    AJ is no doubt a very good worker but comparing him to Bruno is like comparing the Broolyn Brawler with Hulk Hogan. AJ has never really drawn a dime in his life and has never sold out a bigger building than a gymnasium based on is name. The only people that could realistically hope to give ima run for his money in thei game are icons like Austin or Hogan - AJ shouldn't even be in the bloody game, nevermind mentioned in the same breath as Bruno.

    His achievements speak for themselves - the greatest wrestling champion of all time.
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    [edit] Championships and accomplishments

    * Grand Prix Wrestling

    * GPW Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Édouard Carpentier

    * Maple Leaf Wrestling

    * NWA International Tag Team Championship (Toronto version) (1 time) - with Whipper Billy Watson
    * NWA United States Heavyweight Championship (Toronto version) (1 time)

    * Pro Wrestling Illustrated

    * PWI Match of the Year (1972) Battle royal on January 14, Los Angeles, CA
    * PWI Match of the Year (1975) vs. Spiros Arion on March 17, New York, NY
    * PWI Match of the Year (1976) vs. Stan Hansen on April 26, New York, NY
    * PWI Match of the Year (1977) vs. Billy Graham on April 30, Baltimore, MD
    * PWI Match of the Year (1980) vs. Larry Zbyszko at Showdown at Shea in a steel cage match
    * PWI Most Inspirational Wrestler of the Year (1976)[11]
    * PWI Stanley Weston Award (1981)
    * PWI Wrestler of the Year (1974)

    * Professional Wrestling Hall of Fame and Museum

    * Class of 2002

    * World Wrestling Association (Indianapolis)

    * WWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Dick the Bruiser[12]

    * World Wide Wrestling Federation / World Wrestling Federation

    * WWF International Tag Team Championship (2 times) - with Dominic DeNucci (1) and Tony Marino (1)
    * WWWF United States Tag Team Championship (1 time) - with Spiros Arion
    * WWWF World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)

    * World Wide Wrestling Alliance

    * Hall of Fame (Class of 2008)

    * Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards

    * Feud of the Year (1980) vs. Larry Zbyszko
    * Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame (Class of 1996)

    * Other titles

    * Madison Square Garden walk of fame
    * Received the Key to the City in Franklin, Pennsylvania as part of IWC's Night of Legends 3 on March 24, 2007


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭waltersobchak


    ROUND 2's Match-ups will be announced at 12 o'clock today so get your votes in lads..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭The Volt


    I think Flah is right to be honest. My Poor AJ Styles doesn't stand a chance. I'll humbly forefeit


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭waltersobchak


    PW FORUM KOTR ROUND 2..

    IN THIS ROUND EACH COMPETITOR HAS THE CHOICE OF EITHER CONTINUING WITH THEIR SELECTED SUPERSTARS FROM ROUND ONE, OR CHOOSING, ONE OF THE 40 RANDOM WRESTLERS INCLUDING 5 HALL OF FAMERS AND 35 RANDOMLY SELECTED CURRENT WWE AND TNA ROSTER MEMBERS..

    D2D
    |
    vs |
    TheBostonCrab
    |CHRISTOPHER DANIELS

    JP Liz
    |VINCE MCMAHON
    vs |
    Dojojoe
    |

    Voltwad
    |
    vs |
    Ger C
    | RODDY PIPER

    Bounty Hunter
    |
    vs |
    Mr Nice Guy
    |

    CM Punked
    | EDDIE GUERRERO
    vs |
    Chordtype
    | "THE POPE"

    Furious Red
    |
    vs |
    IrishStevo
    |WADE BARRETT


    RIGHT SO LADS SAME RULES AS BEFORE ONCE BOTH COMPETITORS HAS CHOOSEN THIR SUPERSTARS YOU FREE TO GET STARTED, AND YOU BOTH ALLOW ONE ANSWER, AND ONE RESPONSE.. BEST OF LUCK.. FROM UNCLE WALTER..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭The Volt


    Think you meant to pit Flah v Ger there man.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭waltersobchak


    ;)
    Voltwad wrote: »
    Think you meant to pit Flah v Ger there man.

    Nope hammered Flah 4-2.. Tactical voting perhaps;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Gerard.C


    Voltwad wrote: »
    Think you meant to pit Flah v Ger there man.

    Scared are we? :cool:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭The Volt


    Gerard.C wrote: »
    Scared are we? :cool:
    Just surprised tbh, I actually didn't put up any sort of fight whatsoever. Must've had my feet on the ropes with a schnakey roll up :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭The Volt


    Well, a few years ago this would have been a massive mismatch. When he debuted in TNA as a part of The British Invasion stable back in April of 2009, he was quickly dismissed as a poor wrestler – which no one would have denied at the time – and shortly thereafter he was practically begged by the fans to be fired, especially when he ended up winning one of the Feast or Fired cases at Final Resolution later that year. Quite frankly, I wasn't exactly lining up to combat anyone who wanted to lose him faster than a bad habit at the time, but I'd have a much more difficult time listening to the same cries right now.

    Rob Terry to me will one day be the Uber-face of Pro Wrestling and could very well be the next Ultimate Warrior. His in-ring skills are lacking but he possesses so much charisma, I feel he oozes it and has shown that increasingly since flying solo. This would be a good spectacle with Piper playing heel I'd imagine but the sheer tenacity of Terry getting the crowd into the match would end up with Piper laid flat out from a chokeslam :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭waltersobchak


    D2D
    |ALEX SHELLEY
    vs |
    TheBostonCrab
    |CHRISTOPHER DANIELS

    JP Liz
    |VINCE MCMAHON
    vs |
    Dojojoe
    |"SHOWTIME" PERCY WATSON

    Voltwad
    |ROB TERRY
    vs |
    Ger C
    | RODDY PIPER

    Bounty Hunter
    |THE IRON SHEIK
    vs |
    Mr Nice Guy
    |HHH

    CM Punked
    | EDDIE GUERRERO
    vs |
    Chordtype
    | "THE POPE"

    Furious Red
    |SAMOA JOE
    vs |
    IrishStevo
    |WADE BARRETT


    SO EVERYONE IS PRETTY MUCH FREE TO START LADS..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,640 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    MATCHUP: Triple H (MNG) Vs. Iron Sheik (Bounty Hunter)

    Argument in favour of Hunter...

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    What can one say about this man? This great, humble, wonderful man. A man so selfless, so benevolent, that he will willingly take a back seat to young up and coming stars for the betterment of the business. Consider how many people he has made. The list is sort of endless. Batista, Orton...sure they were his friends, but he befriended them because he knew they would help the business one day. He holds talent back some say. He was testing them. To see if they had the desire to come through that and be top stars. I thought that was obvious. He uses politics others say. Nonsense. Only a mere 77% of his 13 World Title reigns were when he was dating the daughter of the boss.

    OK, in all seriousness, my views on Hunter's failings are probably well known at this stage. I like to think however that I have also been fair in my praise for him in the past too. Hey, quit laughing. Genuinely though, as I've said before, he was one of the reasons in 2000 why I started watching regularly. His feud with The Rock that year is one of my favourite ever feuds and I do think around this period he was the best heel in the business. As a wrestler, he probably peaked in the 2000-02 period. I've never thought he was that impressive in subsequent years but when he is on form he can put on great matches and is a reliable guy in the ring.

    It is hard to argue against the view that he used his powerful position to the detriment of others and ironically enough he is the reason I stopped watching regularly in 2008, when I felt he put himself into the WM main event picture unfairly once again. I hope when he returns that he doesn't morph into his Super Hunter persona and run over Sheamus and others. Admittedly, and unfortunately, this is a possibility.

    This is the enigma of the man. Clearly he is a talented performer who can help others, and has done so on occasion, yet he is also someone who can make life very difficult for his colleagues. When we compare him to the Iron Sheik as we must do this round, obviously we are comparing VERY different people. I think it would be hard to argue however that in the pantheon of all-time greats, Hunter will rank higher than Sheik. Hell, let's be honest Hunter might even commission his own wing, but even a cynical critic of Hunter's failings like myself would have to say that he is deserving of his place as an all-time great and that he outranks Sheiky in this respect, as entertaining as the great man can be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89,029 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Vince McMahon V "Showtime" Percy Watson
    JP Liz V1 wrote: »

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    Vince McMahon - the Kenny McCormick of WWE!

    Wrestler, Owner, Announcer, Commentator, Film Producer, Former WWE World Champion, Royal Rumble winner and biggest and best heel in WWE not to mention part of one of the best feud evers with Stone Cold Steve Austin, Kiss My Ass Club President. He made the the WWE the most successful wrestling promotion and biggest in the world. It could also be argued that he helped build up and make the legends that is Bret, HBK, HHH, The Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin to name a few. He has probably put more people over than any other person in WWE history.

    Championships and Accomplishments

    World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment

    1-time WWF Champion

    Royal Rumble Winner (1999)

    Pro Wrestling Illustrated

    1997 Feud of the Year (vs. Eric Bischoff)

    1998 Feud of the Year (vs. Steve Austin)

    1999 Feud of the Year (vs. Steve Austin)

    2001 Feud of the Year (vs. Shane McMahon)

    Wrestling Observer Newsletter

    1987 Best Booker

    1988 Best Promoter

    1998 Best Booker

    1998 Best Promoter

    1999 Best Booker

    1999 Best Promoter

    2000 Best Promoter

    1998 Feud of the Year (vs. Steve Austin)

    1999 Feud of the Year (vs. Steve Austin)

    1999 Best Non-Wrestler

    2000 Best Non-Wrestler

    Gerweck.net

    2005 Promoter of the year





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    Percy could be the king on Saturday Night Live ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭irish_stevo815


    Matchup: Wade Barrett (irish_stevo815) Vs. Samoa Joe (Furious Red)

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    Well this just isn't Barrett Vs. Joe, more inportantly, it's WWE Vs. TNA!!!!

    To be honest, there's not a lot one can say about Wade Barrett right now, but i will do the best i can to justify why he should progress to the next round over TNA's version of the late Umaga.

    Barret stands in at 6ft5ins and weighs 265lbs which would of course make good competition for the like of John Cena, Randy Orton or Sheamus. Barret made his name by becoming the winner on NXT Season 1, under the guidance of his pro, Y2J Chris Jericho. He immediatley showed he had great potential to be a huge star in the WWE. Not only was he the outright winner, but during the series, he collected 8 wins, with only 5 losses. When it came to public voting, it was obvious Barrett was well liked as at first, he came 2nd in the poll, behind one Daniel Bryan, and when Bryan was Eliminated, Barrett became the Number 1 choice for 5 weeks running. Which earned him the Season 1 victory, and a chance to compete for the WWE Cahmpionship, any time of his choosing.

    Opinions of Barrett soon changed though. On the June 7th episode of RAW, Barrett lead the group of NXT Season 1 competitiors to the ring and attacked both John Cena and CM Punk. Not only that, they ripped apart the ring and surrounding area as a destructable force. On this night they made a statement to the whole WWE Universe and The Nexus was born.

    Since then Barrett and his Nexus have laid waste to the whole Raw locker room, including Bret Hart and Vince McMahon - these guys mean business. They also were the cause of Seamus not only capturing the WWE Title , but also retainign it against John Cena at MITB. Leading up to Summerslam, the RAW Roster was so worried about the Nexus that they formed their own team to try to stop them. This team ultimately ended up consisting of John Cena, Edge, Chris Jericho, R-Truth, John Morrisson, Bret Hart & Daniel Bryan. I for one was expecting the Nexus to overcome Team WWE, and change the face of Raw but this was not to be, as Super-Cena overcame the odds yet again to get the victory.

    Now, it is clear that Barrett is well capable of working within a team. But how about him a singles competitior?? So far not much can be said, but he did beat his former mentor Chris Jericho on RAW last week. He now has the chance to become WWE Champion, as he cashed in on his opportunity to fight for the Title and ended up in a 6 pack challenge at Night of Champions. If he were to win, he would be a force to reckon with as WWE Champion and he has great potential for the future.

    I know some people are probably thinkin that as soon as The Nexus is finished as a group, then so is Barrett. Don't count him out. With moves like his Bigboot, Spinebuster and The Wasteland, he is sure to become a power house in the WWE or United States Title hunt.

    So that's my take on Wade Barrett, I personally think he will be around the WWE for a long long time to come.

    OH, and one more thing......................You're Either Nexus, Or You're Against Us!!!!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    ;)

    Nope hammered Flah 4-2.. Tactical voting perhaps;)

    LOL. Forum is now officially a joke.:pac:


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 15,578 Mod ✭✭✭✭Furious-Red


    Matchup: Wade Barrett (irish_stevo815) Vs. Samoa Joe (Furious Red)

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    What more can be said the Samoan Submission Machine????? He was one of the top dogs in ROH where he had a trilogy defences against the CM Punk which Melzter gave the second match a 5 star rating , while in ROH he also had top matches with Jay Lethal,Nigel Mc Guinness, Austin Aries, Chris Hero , Bryan Danielson and Japanese Megastar Kenta Kobashi.

    When he joined the ranks of TNA he came in as a monster which lead to The Samoan Submission Machine being born in TNA. He went straight into the X Division ripping threw the roster until he got his 1st X Division Championship against Aj and Daniels at Unbreakable , this was only the start of what would become one of the hotest feuds in TNA history Joe would then go a win the belt during the feud defeating AJ.

    Joe would then get his sights on the TNA World Heavyweight Championship by going into a dream feud for fans against Kurt Angle which would lead to a winner take all match with Joe and Angle over all the belts in TNA and als IWGP Championship. After destroying every member of the roster Joe would finally win the World Heavyweight Championship.

    Joe would join the biggest group along with Sting,Steiner,Booker,Nash and Angle and take over TNA.

    If you look at what Joe has accomplished in either ROH or TNA he has been in the ring with the best and beating the best and has had stellar feuds with them. He will easily take on the rookie Wade Barret who is a nobody and needs his backup to actually beat people . With Joe representing TNA this is one battle that WWE will not win


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    MATCHUP: Triple H (MNG) Vs. Iron Sheik (Bounty Hunter)

    Argument in favour of Hunter...

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    What can one say about this man? This great, humble, wonderful man. A man so selfless, so benevolent, that he will willingly take a back seat to young up and coming stars for the betterment of the business. Consider how many people he has made. The list is sort of endless. Batista, Orton...sure they were his friends, but he befriended them because he knew they would help the business one day. He holds talent back some say. He was testing them. To see if they had the desire to come through that and be top stars. I thought that was obvious. He uses politics others say. Nonsense. Only a mere 77% of his 13 World Title reigns were when he was dating the daughter of the boss.

    OK, in all seriousness, my views on Hunter's failings are probably well known at this stage. I like to think however that I have also been fair in my praise for him in the past too. Hey, quit laughing. Genuinely though, as I've said before, he was one of the reasons in 2000 why I started watching regularly. His feud with The Rock that year is one of my favourite ever feuds and I do think around this period he was the best heel in the business. As a wrestler, he probably peaked in the 2000-02 period. I've never thought he was that impressive in subsequent years but when he is on form he can put on great matches and is a reliable guy in the ring.

    It is hard to argue against the view that he used his powerful position to the detriment of others and ironically enough he is the reason I stopped watching regularly in 2008, when I felt he put himself into the WM main event picture unfairly once again. I hope when he returns that he doesn't morph into his Super Hunter persona and run over Sheamus and others. Admittedly, and unfortunately, this is a possibility.

    This is the enigma of the man. Clearly he is a talented performer who can help others, and has done so on occasion, yet he is also someone who can make life very difficult for his colleagues. When we compare him to the Iron Sheik as we must do this round, obviously we are comparing VERY different people. I think it would be hard to argue however that in the pantheon of all-time greats, Hunter will rank higher than Sheik. Hell, let's be honest Hunter might even commission his own wing, but even a cynical critic of Hunter's failings like myself would have to say that he is deserving of his place as an all-time great and that he outranks Sheiky in this respect, as entertaining as the great man can be.

    The Following is dictated not read by a representative of The Iron Sheik going by the Alias Bounty Hunter.

    Exhibit A: see above quote

    Not sure if this is pro or against HHH really (Is the argument for Hunter really for BH) although it does have a positive sign off. MNG has pointed out many of HHH's faults here as many of us thought he might might as he admits in his response he isnt a fan of old big nose. Speaking of being a fan of someone, I reckon that is something which is important when discussing preformers against each other, how liked they are.

    Exhibit B: The "I HATE TRIPLE H" MEGA bashing thread

    HHH evokes so much negative reaction that he even had his own hate filled superthread here on boards PW and Although both he and the Sheik work brilliantly as Heels one is adored by the IWC while the other is hated. Speaking of being heels here is an old funny story and one that unlike HHH's attempts at comedy isnt designed to bury anyone else, It is instead pure Sheiky without thinking going to lenghts nobody else would even dare.

    Exhibit C as told by Steve Corino:

    As I mention how popular people are I suppose I should refer to the here and now triple H aswell as his overall reputation as a top level hated (on and off screen) heel. He is now a face and hasnt had the main belt for quite a while and yet we are still getting threads like this on boards.

    Exhibit D:Is there a place for HHH in the modern business?

    The general concensus of this thread seemed to be that although he could play a role again, the WWE is actually prospering because he isnt there and people arent exactley waiting anxiously for his return unless it is in fear of him burying people. Its kinda like this really...

    Exhibit E from 30secs in:

    the final segment he says is a direct quote from the Iron Sheik he says:

    "HHH, Im going to f*ck you like you f*ck the daughter of the great Vince McMahon, im going to tear your ass up and make you Humble you big noised piece of Garbage. your a no good F*ggot like Hogan and Brian Blair before you and just like them, ill suplex, you, ill lock you in the camel clutch and ill show that your a no good piece of Sh*t compared to me. I am the olympic gold winning, greatest WWE champion of all time and I will make you Humble, so f*ck you, f*ck your future and have a nice day.... o and my moustache sh*ts on you and your handelbars"

    Exhibit F:
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