The Kursk disaster

Auvers

I was just browsing the BBC news site and I saw that the Kursk disaster was 10 years ago :eek:

seeing that I remembered a video of a mother being forceably injected with a tranquilizer while berating and demanding explanations from group of Russian officials, unbelievably I cant seem to find this video online to show to my work colleague

can anybody else remember this footage?

bonerm

Strange Google didn't decide to make this their "logo of the day". They instead went for a more upbeat "Wizard of Oz" theme.

genericguy

it never happened

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mother-of-kursk-sailor-denies-being-injected-with-tranquilisers-711628.html

but yes, i remember it.

WindSock

I do remember the mother going mental about it, didn't know she was injected with tranquilisers though.

Rabidlamb

That sub was longer than the depth of the water it was in.
Could have been lifted on end.
Foolproof.

PeterIanStaker

Jasus it was 10yrs ago, I'm getting ould. Didn't the Russians refuse help?

seamus

Oddly enough, one of the sources who carried the best pictures, CNN, has "lost" the photos from its archives.

This was the only one I could find.
http://www.sptimesrussia.com/index.php?action_id=4&photo_id=2964

I had no interest in the news back then, so this is all very interesting to read now

fonecrusher1

Rabidlamb wrote: »

That sub was longer than the depth of the water it was in.
Could have been lifted on end.
Foolproof.

Crumbs! would it have been that easy to lift a 500ft long 19,000 ton nuclear submarine on its end in rough seas?

Its a pity you weren't there to take charge of the rescue efforts at the time.:rolleyes:

Cookie_Monster

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/Kursk_wreck.jpg

after it was raised

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Crumbs! would it have been that easy to lift a 500ft long 19,000 ton nuclear submarine on its end in rough seas?
Its a pity you weren't there to take charge of the rescue efforts at the time.:rolleyes:

They should really just have asked Chuck Norris

Pal

always amazed how time passes so quick

its 9 years since 911

geeky

I do remember it, yeah. I thought Putin was kinda kick-ass up until then (a president who could actually kill people with his thumb!) but was quickly brought into reality. Totally bizarre - I can't get my head around a Government that would allow so many innocent people to die out of sheer bloody pride.

bigswede12

geeky wrote: »

I do remember it, yeah. I thought Putin was kinda kick-ass up until then (a president who could actually kill people with his thumb!) but was quickly brought into reality. Totally bizarre - I can't get my head around a Government that would allow so many innocent people to die out of sheer bloody pride.

When it comes to national security.i dont think there is a limit to what goverments will do to hide the truth unforunately!!!!!!!

mecanoman

Time does fly, i remember hearing how some of the crew survived
for days in the aft quarters of the sub, they wrote letters
to their loved ones and their Wills. Not a nice way to die.

Tabnabs

Perhaps straying into the realms of CT, but a fascinating read here
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/KURSK/kursk.html?q=KURSK/kursk.html

dfx-

mecanoman wrote: »

Time does fly, i remember hearing how some of the crew survived
for days in the aft quarters of the sub

Survive the blast, killed by a spark from a CO2 scrubber or something I think.

The Sparrow

Read this book about the Kursk disaster a few years ago:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Time-Die-Kursk-Disaster/dp/0553813854/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1281619610&sr=8-4

It was an excellent read. Some of the lengths the Russian's went to try and cover it up were almost unbelievable and their refusal to ask for foreign assistance until it was too late was terrible and it really hampered the rescue operation.

kelle

I remember it so well, the rescue couldn't take place for 10 days because there was a storm in the area and the sea was too dangerous for vessels to enter. And while the whole world held it's breath, you would think it would have been front page headlines in the papers but no - they were all about Nasty Nick of Big Brother and his shenanigans while the Kursk was relegated to page 2 and 3!

drivealive

It wasn't just the Russians trying to cover this up.
The USS Memphis is what sunk the Kursk.
Their are pictures of the USS Toledo in Bergen under repair after the incident.
The Americans are more to blame for the loss of these sailors

SeaFields

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

They should really just have asked Chuck Norris

Chuck norris put the sub there in the first place...."damn commies" he said



Edit - post 1000 :-)

General Zod

Pal wrote: »

always amazed how time passes so quick

its 9 years since 911

actually it's been 1099 years since 911.

topper75

drivealive wrote: »

It wasn't just the Russians trying to cover this up.
The USS Memphis is what sunk the Kursk.
Their are pictures of the USS Toledo in Bergen under repair after the incident.
The Americans are more to blame for the loss of these sailors

Wild allegations. Can you provide any kind of evidence for your USS Memphis allegation?

Are you suggesting that the USS Toledo being repaired in a European port is unprecedented or suspicious in some way?

Edit - forgot the obvious question: if the Memphis attacked the Kursk, why wasn't it destroyed outright with the immediate loss of all souls?

fonecrusher1

drivealive wrote: »

It wasn't just the Russians trying to cover this up.
The USS Memphis is what sunk the Kursk.
Their are pictures of the USS Toledo in Bergen under repair after the incident.
The Americans are more to blame for the loss of these sailors

Obligatory conspiracy theory rubbish.

Moon landing - faked in a tv studio
9/11 - us government job (although i do think they knew it was going to happen at some stage)
Kursk - the yanks did it.
Earthquakes - some people think thats the us governemt as well.

Russia has a gigantic stockpile of warships & submarines that are basically decomposing in navy docks, waiting to be disposed of.

Unfortunately the Kursk was still actively being used even though it was probably falling to pieces. A seriously tragic story.

drivealive

topper75 wrote: »

Are you suggesting that the USS Toledo being repaired in a European port is unprecedented or suspicious in some way?

USS Toledo is nuclear powered. Norway has a strict policy not to allow ANY nuclear powered vessels military or otherwise inside its waters never mind to an underground dock for repair.

topper75 wrote: »

if the Memphis attacked the Kursk, why wasn't it destroyed outright with the immediate loss of all souls?

I can only speculate as to why it was not completely destroyed.

Cookie_Monster

It wasn't the US, it was the atrocious build quality of everything Russian (Soviet) back then I reckon. There are innumerable incidences of crappy Soviet build quality for every industry and machine type the built.

Poccington

drivealive wrote: »

USS Toledo is nuclear powered. Norway has a strict policy not to allow ANY nuclear powered vessels military or otherwise inside its waters never mind to an underground dock for repair.



I can only speculate as to why it was not completely destroyed.

So basically, you have no proof at all to backup your allegations?

storm2811

Wow,I would have been old enough to understand this when it happened but I don't remember any of it at all.

Reading up on wiki though I found this

Ironically, the cartridges appear to have been the final cause of death; a sailor appears to have accidentally brought a cartridge in contact with oily sea water, causing a chemical reaction and a flash fire. The official investigation into the disaster showed that some men survived the fire by plunging under the water (the fire marks on the walls indicate the water was at waist level in the lower area at this time). However the fire rapidly used up the remaining oxygen in the air, causing death by asphyxiation.

Really awful.:(


OP,the thing about the mother being sedated did happen,bit about it here,maybe search her name on youtube?

On 18 August 2002 Nadezhda Tylik, mother of Kursk submariner Lt. Sergei Tylik, produced an intense emotional outburst in the middle of an in-progress news briefing about Kursk's fate. After attempts to quiet her failed, a nurse injected her with a sedative by force from the back, and she was removed from the room, incapacitated.

Overall I'm shocked that I only know about this now,really saddening.

JackM_79

Can't seem to find the video, but take a look at this pic

http://g4rg4ntu4.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/kursk_woman.jpg

The woman shouting is the mother of one of the sailors, the woman standing directly behind her is holding something which seems to resemble a syringe.

Mrmoe

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Obligatory conspiracy theory rubbish.

Moon landing - faked in a tv studio
9/11 - us government job (although i do think they knew it was going to happen at some stage)
Kursk - the yanks did it.
Earthquakes - some people think thats the us governemt as well.

Russia has a gigantic stockpile of warships & submarines that are basically decomposing in navy docks, waiting to be disposed of.

Unfortunately the Kursk was still actively being used even though it was probably falling to pieces. A seriously tragic story.

It would not be too surprising. It probably was the result of a collision rather than a direct attack. There was a documnetary on the Military History channel a month or two ago. They looked at these allegations. The Russians and US signed an armaments deal a while after that was very cosy for the Russians. There is a history of dodgy activity going on in international and sovereign waters. Just ask the Swedes.:)

seamus

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

It wasn't the US, it was the atrocious build quality of everything Russian (Soviet) back then I reckon. There are innumerable incidences of crappy Soviet build quality for every industry and machine type the built.

Pretty much identical to Chernobyl in that a series of screws-ups and cost-cutting initially caused the accident and then escalated it to disaster level. It wasn't an accident so much as inevitable.