Toddler beaten to death for acting like a girl

Links234

http://www.care2.com/causes/womens-rights/blog/toddler-beaten-to-death-for-acting-like-a-girl-how-gender-stereotypes-killed-a-young-child/

I read about this and it really made me sad, it's thoroughly disgusting that any human life should just be stamped out for not being what people expect they should be. but it really raises a good point about gender stereotypes and how rigid and forced they are (or can be). Maybe from my perspective I'm a bit hyper-sensitive to gender roles, but what do you think?

How constrained or enforced are typical masculine or feminine roles?

Superbus

But... he'd barely have had a personality. How can a 1 year old be effeminate?

So tragic, as a child's death always is.

Kylo Ren

I'm against the death penalty but it's people like this that really make you change your mind.

ldxo15wus6fpgm

Keno 92 wrote: »

I'm against the death penalty but it's people like this that really make you change your mind.

Nah, I'm against the death penalty no matter what.

This guy doesn't deserve death.

Wolfe Tone

Links234 wrote: »

http://www.care2.com/causes/womens-rights/blog/toddler-beaten-to-death-for-acting-like-a-girl-how-gender-stereotypes-killed-a-young-child/

I read about this and it really made me sad, it's thoroughly disgusting that any human life should just be stamped out for not being what people expect they should be. but it really raises a good point about gender stereotypes and how rigid and forced they are (or can be). Maybe from my perspective I'm a bit hyper-sensitive to gender roles, but what do you think?

How constrained or enforced are typical masculine or feminine roles?

TBH I do not feel that this is a gender issue at all, but simply a fuked up man.

DOC09UNAM

I hope he gets raped and beaten in prison.

Nulty

Clearly some screws loose with him. No remorse from him what so ever.

Links234

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

TBH I do not feel that this is a gender issue at all, but simply a fuked up man.

Maybe, but if you read the bit further down in the article about the use of aversion therapy on effeminate boys:

After two years of treatment, apparently "cured" of his effeminacy, Kraig was held up by the psychologist as proof that his treatment worked until, at 18, shamed and scarred by his diagnosis and treatment, Kraig attempted suicide.

professionals have done serious damage in the name of making children fit into defined gender roles, and that children are expected to fit into these roles is something that could be at the root of why this man did what he did.

masculinity is often forced upon young boys with violence, bullying and fighting in schools can "toughen them up", I've heard it plenty of times myself.

NoHornJan

How would anybody know the sex of a 17 month old baby without taking off the childs clothes? Toddlers are just toddlers. They have no choice in the clothes they wear or the length of their hair or the toys that they play with. It's the parents that do that. I can't understand how a toddler could be displaying masculine or feminine traits when they can barely walk and talk!

Tar.Aldarion

Keno 92 wrote: »

I'm against the death penalty but it's people like this that really make you change your mind.

Ye the baby had it coming


No better than them if you use that as punishment

Wolfe Tone

Links234 wrote: »

professionals have done serious damage in the name of making children fit into defined gender roles,

I am sure they have.

and that children are expected to fit into these roles is something that could be at the root of why this man did what he did.

I disagree. I believe that the issue at the core is that there is something fundamentally wrong with that man.

masculinity is often forced upon young boys with violence

Are you talking in general here, a perception that men and masculinity is defined by violence, or that violence is used against girls who have male bodies as a way to "cure" them?


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bullying and fighting in schools can "toughen them up",

It can I believe and in a good way, They will be dealing with that for the rest of their lives both in the home and especially the workplace, It is good to be exposed to it (within reason) in schools.

Wolfe Tone

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Ye the baby had it coming


No better than them if you use that as punishment

Life in a small cell to think about what he did.

Links234

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I disagree. I believe that the issue at the core is that there is something fundamentally wrong with that man.

I think there's something fundamentally wrong with anyone who beats a child, not just this guy.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Are you talking in general here, a perception that men and masculinity is defined by violence, or that violence is used against girls who have male bodies as a way to "cure" them?

erm, not the latter. I'm not really talking about anything transgender related, and don't really want to take the thread in that direction. I'm talking about gender roles in general, but I wouldn't say that men and masculinity are defined by violence either, but that masculinity is I suppose reinforced by violence?

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

It can I believe and in a good way, They will be dealing with that for the rest of their lives both in the home and especially the workplace, It is good to be exposed to it (within reason) in schools.

you see, here's where I don't agree

like, this might seem to be going off on a bit of a tangent, but look at situations where there's female-on-male spousal abuse. this is supposedly a real problem that goes very under reported because the men in this case are too ashamed about it to reach out to anyone for help, not friends, not family, not any kind of authority. I think because of the way masculinity is imparted, it's fragile... like men don't feel they can appear to be weak.

do you know what I mean?

Lord Nikon

This makes me phyisically sick. To hurt and beat a child to death is without a doubt the most dispicable thing anyone can do. To prevent a child from living a life, of growing up and enjoying the world. To know that someone took away your babies life, I could not even think it.

Killing them would not even come close as a punishment.

Being a parent myself, having kids, they are the most precious little people on the planet. I would give my life up for them in a heartbeat.

Meh, I hate this ****ing world where children and toddlers and babies are killed.

Podge2k7

Ahh, thats seriously f*cked up. How could punch anybody punch a 17 month old child to death?:(

Wolfe Tone

Links234 wrote: »

I think there's something fundamentally wrong with anyone who beats a child, not just this guy.

Definitely.

erm, not the latter. I'm not really talking about anything transgender related, and don't really want to take the thread in that direction.

Sorry, I thought you did with mention of aversion therapy.

I'm talking about gender roles in general, but I wouldn't say that men and masculinity are defined by violence either, but that masculinity is I suppose reinforced by violence?

Yeah I would agree, has been that way for centuries with boys being sent off to war to "become men"

like, this might seem to be going off on a bit of a tangent, but look at situations where there's female-on-male spousal abuse. this is supposedly a real problem that goes very under reported because the men in this case are too ashamed about it to reach out to anyone for help, not friends, not family, not any kind of authority. I think because of the way masculinity is imparted, it's fragile... like men don't feel they can appear to be weak.

Society for the most part expects and demands that men be strong and not weak, so no wonder men are ashamed in those circumstances.

OutlawPete

Tried to read the article, but I had to give up as there was a strong chance I might put my foot through my laptop in an effort to wipe the smug grin of this bint's face :rolleyes:

Links234

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Sorry, I thought you did with mention of aversion therapy.

No, just that how in some cases that it's used to make young boys fit into a particular defined role or 'box', and how these stereotypical roles can be for a lot of people, unnatural and forced.
like there's anything particularly wrong with a boy being effeminate?

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Yeah I would agree, has been that way for centuries with boys being sent off to war to "become men"

exactly

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Society for the most part expects and demands that men be strong and not weak, so no wonder men are ashamed in those circumstances.

yeah, or look at female-on-male sexual assault, even when someone isn't so deeply ashamed that they might seek help, it's not seen as being as serious at all.

ringadingding

Maybe not the death peno, but def some kind of torture for the cnut.

The baby P case sickened me for months.

I have a smally and could not imagine making her feel fear or hitting her.


Im wondering if child killers/rapists still get the same amount of abuse in prison as they used to, from what i gather theyre all very protected now and kept amongst their own mostly, i genuinely hope theres still some decent villians in our prisons who will make life hell for cnuts like this.

Notorious97

should be beaten to within an inch of their life for being cruel to children like this, let recover, beat to within an inch of life again, let recover, and so on and so on until they eventually die. that is a suitable punishment in my opinion for people who harm children. locking them in a cell is easy, killing straight away is easy, make them suffer bad. children especially toddlers for gods sake are the most innocent things you will find, its disgusting to think people can or want to harm them.

Brendog

Its simple......






kill the parents.

MagicMarker

Pedro Jones, 20, has been arrested on manslaughter charges.

Jones told reporters outside Southampton Town Justice Court that he didn't mean to do it.

"I'm sorry," he said. "That's my baby. I loved him to death."

The agony spilled into the parking lot.

I lolled

Motley Crue

Ashton Bitter Sister-in-law wrote: »

This guy doesn't deserve death.

I think that's because death would be too good a punishment and would "absolve" him personally of his own sins

Minstrel27

child murderer wrote:

I never struck that kid that hard before. A one-time mistake

This child has been beaten more than once. I hope Bubba has his wicked way with him in prison.

El Guapo!

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Life in a small cell to think about what he did.

Let him live in a tiny cell for 20 years to think about what he did, while he gets bum-fúcked every day, and then when his 20 years is up..............................set the cúnt ablaze.
:mad:

scientific1982

The man that done it is going to be in danger every day of his life in prison. Criminals do not like child abusers.

Sykk

I hope he gets sodomized with razor wire in jail every day for the rest of his life..

orourkeda

scientific1982 wrote: »

The man that done it is going to be in danger every day of his life in prison. Criminals do not like child abusers.

Very compassionate of them.

They might start caring about their victims soon.

BLACKEN

Ashton Bitter Sister-in-law wrote: »

Nah, I'm against the death penalty no matter what.

This guy doesn't deserve death.

i'll get your coat!

BLACKEN

ringadingding wrote: »

Maybe not the death peno, but def some kind of torture for the cnut.

The baby P case sickened me for months.

I have a smally and could not imagine making her feel fear or hitting her.


Im wondering if child killers/rapists still get the same amount of abuse in prison as they used to, from what i gather theyre all very protected now and kept amongst their own mostly, i genuinely hope theres still some decent villians in our prisons who will make life hell for cnuts like this.

I could be wrong but i heard they group all the sickos (rapist and the like) in limerick.

pickarooney

How Gender Stereotypes Killed a Young Child

Such egregious bollocks.

"How a psychopatic сunt killed a young child"

CreepingDeath

BLACKEN wrote: »

I could be wrong but i heard they group all the sickos (rapist and the like) in limerick.

They'd be easier to blend in with the general population down there.

ejmaztec

"You'll get some jailhouse justice, you pig!" shouted one person.

Sounds fair enough to me, where the thug has to act like a girl in the slammer.

where the f**k was the mother !!

Tar.Aldarion

He was the mother :eek:

scientific1982

orourkeda wrote: »

Very compassionate of them.

They might start caring about their victims soon.

Its the truth though. Thats why there is PC.