Type R is dead

kennethk

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/honda-civic-type-r-axed

Really disappointed suppose we'll be seeing more of this in the future:mad:

Ricardo G

Not sure if i've even seen one of these in the flesh and tbh they never really did anything for me, top gear themselves did'nt rate it in comparison to the older model. I personally hate the shape of that model civic and would be a last choice in hot hatchs for me !!

kennethk

Ricardo G wrote: »

Not sure if i've even seen one of these in the flesh and tbh they never really did anything for me, top gear themselves did'nt rate it in comparison to the older model. I personally hate the shape of that model civic and would be a last choice in hot hatchs for me !!

ya i would have to agree with you when it comes to the last model..but the older ones eK9 and EP3 were :cool: Clarkson liked the older model, i think???!

this is the EP3, that I think Clarkson liked:



would have liked to see honda give it another go to get them back on track!:(

EDIT: I highly advise you to take one for a spin, you won't be disappointed

Cookie_Monster

what about the saloon version?

omb0wyn5ehpij9

Hogzy

Jesus lads dont be believing every single word that comes of of Clarksons mouth. He has been wrong on so many occasions.

Atomic Pineapple

This emissions stuff is starting to snowball a bit too much for my liking!

Hogzy

Hogzy wrote: »

Jesus lads dont be believing every single word that comes of of Clarksons mouth. He has been wrong on so many occasions.

Clarkson is a numpty

200motels

Hogzy wrote: »

Jesus lads dont be believing every single word that comes of of Clarksons mouth. He has been wrong on so many occasions.

+1

djimi

draffodx wrote: »

This emissions stuff is starting to snowball a bit too much for my liking!

Amen to that! If some people had their way wed all be driving a bloody Prius... :eek:

Caliden

It's too bad top gear never have imports on the show

5500

I remember there being talk of the Type R diesel before, maby this is what is the road they are going to start going down now although I cant imagine the noise of a vtec diesel!

The hatch only went on sale in Japan recently, they are going mad for it there! The saloon is still available there too it was never sold in europe.

Tea 1000

The Mugen Civic hatch is as good as hot hatches get really. Shame, too much emissions crap ruining cars. Diesels have become unreliable and expensive to fix because of it, and good petrols are vanishing.

omb0wyn5ehpij9

eireal wrote: »

I remember there being talk of the Type R diesel before, maby this is what is the road they are going to start going down now although I cant imagine the noise of a vtec diesel!

The hatch only went on sale in Japan recently, they are going mad for it there! The saloon is still available there too it was never sold in europe.

I drove by the saloon version this morning on the way to work.....absolutely stunning looking IMO

eireal

eireal wrote: »

I cant imagine the noise of a vtec diesel!

I can't imagine VTEC ever being on a diesel due to the fact that I can't see diesel engines ever going to much past 5000 / 6000 rpm due to the limitations of diesel fuel. Honda may no doubt develop fast diesels but they will be turbo rather than valve timing trickery.

unkel

Not really surprising. The Japanese are a bit behind with the more modern and cleaner engine technology (as usual), but despair not, they'll eventually catch up (as usual)

We'll see another - direct injection and probably turbocharged - Type R sometime in the next few years no doubt...

Yeah, Ford, BMW, Volvo etc were dingers at getting 1.8 and 2.0 NASPs to put out 200bhp way before Honda ever did Nissan, Toyota and Honda are quite clueless in that regard. Forced induction is without doubt cutting edge stuff.

5500

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228721/

Although it's dated 2007 I wonder if the new model civic due next year will indeed be an R badged diesel

kennethk

lets hope that they don't release a diesel one!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIRZKai6u68

Not bad for a non turbo, IMO

Always liked the EP3's, (regardless of what clarkson said:p) 197bhp isn't bad in a car that can return 38mpg on long trips.!:cool: although they have been taken over by the boy racers:(:mad:

samsemtex

Typical Eurpoean Union bull**** legislation here. Shortsighted nonsense designed to make themselves think they are being progressive. We're having diesel forced down our throats as if it is the saviour of the world when in fact cars account for a tiny percentage of emissions world wide.

Almost all diesel engines do not comply with American emissions standards. Thats why diesel cars arent allowed in most US states. The cleanest diesel engines are far dirtier than a bad petrol engine yet they allow and even promote diesel just because the Co2 output is lower. Its absolute nonsense. Whats the point of these emissions standards if diesels don't have to comply with them.

Diesels have to comply with the regs that petrols had to comply with 10 years ago. Real progressive stuff...

Stephen

I really liked the FN2, despite its flaws. Always wanted one before I left Ireland but never got one because of insurance.

kennethk

wasn't a big fan of them, but i wouldn't mind a spin in the Mugen ones!!:cool:

Anyone know for sure, about the diesel ones??? it's scary

Gary ITR

kennethk wrote: »

Not bad for a non turbo, IMO

That's a DC2 Integra in that video and whoever is driving is crap, the gearchanges were brutal

Tea 1000

I certainly wouldn't agree with Ford being a better engine builder than Honda. You can count on one hand the number of good Ford engines, where as the bad ones were really terrible.

Does anyone else wonder at how the Europen manufacturers seem to have no problems meeting the EU emissions legislations while other brands struggle? Yet the Euro manufacturers offer no more mpg really...
One would think that if a car uses x amount of fuel, then it will produce y amount of emissions. Yet you can have a petrol with a certain mpg figure from Europe and certain bhp, with lower emissions than a petrol with similar figures from Japan?
I reckon it could be a case of the banana's again! EU allowing one set of tests for the EU makers, and another for anyone else!

VolvoMan

Caliden wrote: »

It's too bad top gear never have imports on the show

It's too bad Top Gear never has cars on its show.

Atomic Pineapple

Onkle wrote: »

That's a DC2 Integra in that video and whoever is driving is crap, the gearchanges were brutal

Was just gonna say the same, the driver makes that Teg look awful slow!

VolvoMan wrote: »

It's too bad Top Gear never has cars on its show.

Top Gear isn't a motoring show, its purely an entertainment show.

jock101

Great car, but was alway way to expensive for a hot hatch here. Close to 40k for a Civic! You see loads of young fellas driving them in UK Ulster! They look lovely in red.

kennethk

ya i know it's a DC2..(will never forget the spin i had in one:rolleyes:)it's a type r though..! ya was trying to find a good video, but youtube full of ****ty ones:o:P

5500

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYhgae_Y2F4

There's an Fn2, cant see a diesel pulling that off! I'd love to know how many of them were sold here, the garage mine was bought from sold 2 in 2008 and none since the vrt & tax based emission change back then.

Id say that will practically kill off anymore of them being seen as the tax is 1050 and higher vrt cost.

pajo1981

Tea 1000 wrote: »

I certainly wouldn't agree with Ford being a better engine builder than Honda. You can count on one hand the number of good Ford engines, where as the bad ones were really terrible.

Does anyone else wonder at how the Europen manufacturers seem to have no problems meeting the EU emissions legislations while other brands struggle? Yet the Euro manufacturers offer no more mpg really...
One would think that if a car uses x amount of fuel, then it will produce y amount of emissions. Yet you can have a petrol with a certain mpg figure from Europe and certain bhp, with lower emissions than a petrol with similar figures from Japan?
I reckon it could be a case of the banana's again! EU allowing one set of tests for the EU makers, and another for anyone else!

You wouldn't happen to own a tinfoil hat?

VolvoMan

draffodx wrote: »

Top Gear isn't a motoring show, its purely an entertainment show.

Well why doesn't it say so then?

It's unfair that true car enthusiasts have to suffer just so a programme can gain universal appeal. You'd never see the same happen with any other type of specialised programme, such as football/music/gardening.

.Longshanks.

VolvoMan wrote: »

Well why doesn't it say so then?

It's unfair that true car enthusiasts have to suffer just so a programme can gain universal appeal. You'd never see the same happen with any other type of specialised programme, such as football/music/gardening.

But topgear is all the better for the stupid stunts and the escapism.... Anyways, any reviews they would do on normal cars would soooo boring. We can read all we want online and in magazine for that kinda stuff. IMO clarkson is a muppett (and perfect for the current format) but cos he's a muppett his opinion on cars the like of the ordinary man in the street might buy would be totally irrelevant

/rant over
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VolvoMan

kev_Longshanks100 wrote: »

But topgear is all the better for the stupid stunts and the escapism.... Anyways, any reviews they would do on normal cars would soooo boring. We can read all we want online and in magazine for that kinda stuff. IMO clarkson is a muppett (and perfect for the current format) but cos he's a muppett his opinion on cars the like of the ordinary man in the street might buy would be totally irrelevant

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And for that very reason I watch Fifth Gear.

That said, it's a shame the way lately they seem to be imitating Top Gear with stupid stunts and pathetic attempts to be humerous.

kennethk

lads never mind top gear, it is what it is, humour first and cars somewhere after..i personally don't mind, it's entertaining..

Back to topic, am I the only one who is going to miss the Type-r??:eek:

kennethk

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I for one wont miss it, dont get me wrong its a nice little car but the way some people talk about it you would thinks its some Enzo beater. Good riddance to it I say.

ah well I know it's not one, but in terms of how much fun you get for a relatively small price, it's a winner.. You ever get a drive in one?

Anyone ever drive one?:)

kennethk

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I have done demo laps around Mondello for the owner of one, and its was the
6th gen one which is supposed to be the best of the lot. Not a bad little car but not the greatest thing since sliced bread.

the ek9 is it?? maybe i just have a softspot:p

kennethk

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Yes it was a ek9 had a few mods done to it. Didnt like the lack of bottom end torque though.

ya many don't,love vtec though:D nice looking too??:)

kennethk

LIGHTNING wrote: »

VTEC is just variable valve timing and lift, a load of other car companies have similar systems. Nice looking car I will agree with you on that.

ya but the sound is the sex:D What kinda cars float your boat? (please say evo's)

Wibbs

IMHO the first Civic, Integra and NSX were "Type R's" The latter lot were as much marketing exercises(with some good points). The original notion was a stripped down car that optimised the driver experience for the road. Throw out the sound proofing, rear wipers, aircon as an option, ditto the radio, thinner window glass ffs, shell reinforcement, major uprating on bushings and suspension components, bigger brakes, LSD, even hand ported heads on the earlier models. The original EK9 Civic R had a seam welded shell for gods sake and a 1600 engine that gave 182BHP, one of the highest BHP per litre figures ever. Yes there are faster cars, more torque etc, but very very few cars especially FWD cars with mass appeal that had anything like that level of attention to detail or accessibility for the average driver .

Then the EP3 civic type r came out. The breadvan. The euro model didnt even have a LSD. Slower than the previous even with the bigger engine. The one in the OP is slower than the previous and even slower again than the one before that.

I would mourn the loss of the Type R, if they were actually making one today. It's the loss of a red badge and that's about it IMHO.

x in the city

you can compare a NSX to a teg or a civic type r ffs....

Wibbs

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Yes it was a ek9 had a few mods done to it. Didnt like the lack of bottom end torque though.

A 1.6 with 180+ horsies, ya gotta get that from somewhere and you gotta lose it from somewhere else. It depends on the individuals driving style too. Some find that level of revving too much like mechanical torture, or want more torque.

Wibbs

x in the city wrote: »

you can compare a NSX to a teg or a civic type r ffs....

I presume you mean you can't. I would suggest you can as far as the whole R notion is concerned. The NSX in standard trim wasn't a particularly fast car. Certainly not compared to ferraris and porsches of the time. Hence it was the first to get the R treatment to tighten that gap. They added no extra power in the engine, it was all about suspension and weight loss. Both the civic and the teg got far more engineering attention across the board. There's a youtube(I think) vid that shows a teg and a standard NSX around a track and the standard NSX really cant hold its own on the bendy bits only gaining ground on the straights.

CyberGhost

Maybe the current model is cancelled but they'll probably release a Type-R version for the next Civic with compliant emissions.

Never liked the current model tbh.

Love the EP3 and EK though

kennethk

CyberGhost wrote: »

Maybe the current model is cancelled but they'll probably release a Type-R version for the next Civic with compliant emissions.

Never liked the current model tbh.

Love the EP3 and EK though

Ya,I agree 100%..The newer one didn't do it for me, they are too fat, and aren't fast enough!..They were going farer away from what a Type-r was supposed to be!

I liked the EP3 though, just the FN2 took the piss altogether:mad: They only started to use torsion bars in that one I think? Made the car feel like a tractor, and that spoiler :eek: who's idea was that?:o

Anyone have any experience of the FD2?? (The Jap's version of the FN2)





Seems to be a winner;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIdKpj9jsTo

5500

I've had a dc2,dc5, euroR and brief stint of an ep3 and there's not much in it between any of them, each has there own positive's and negatives.

I've driven the Fd2 and it feel's slightly rawer compared to the Fn2 and not as comfortable but it doesnt feel a hell of alot quicker considering there's a 24bhp difference between the 2.

I originally wanted an Fd2 but there were none for sale at the time so I took the Fn2. If I had a chance of a swop with an Fd2 now I dont think I'd take it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRB8NnCvoI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET4yXQjwY